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Meanwhile, Venezuela has run out of food ...

http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/02/12/venezuela-has-run-out-of-food/

THe one thing for sure that you get with Bernie that you don't get with any other candidate is his almost relentless pursuit of getting banks and large industrial concerns to straighten up and fly right.

I can all but guarantee you that all the money behind trying to destroy Sanders is put up by banks and big companies or by the candidates that they back.

Like I said before, I don't hate Sanders, in fact I like the guy, but I just don't think he has a chance in hell of getting elected and if elected, he'll not stand a chance of getting his policies in place.

Look at how the conservatives interacted with Obama.. It will be WAY worse with Sanders. Talk about the country coming to a complete halt.. Geez

i agree with you except the part where it will be way worse than obama.

the man didn't even get sworn in before republicans already declared that they weren't gonna pass anything obama proposed in 2008.

We are never gonna see this level of hate in congress for bernie, or any other president for a long time.

I agree. I think the people are sick of the inaction too and it will not stand for another eight years. If Bernie is elected, the GOP will have to start negotiating instead of blocking or they will cease to exist by mandate of the political revolution.

yep, i mean, the GOP got the house and senate by pretty much saying obama sucks and calling him a kenyan muslim.

so they have power for a while now, yet the only thing they've done is increased the spending, and try to repeal obamacare a thousand times.

i never understood the contradictions people used to say obama sucks.

you got a congress that doesn't wanna pass anything the guy is putting up, so he goes to his executive orders, then they turn around and call him king obama and that he does whatever he wants.

i'm starting to think these politicians don't really have a clue to what they actually want.

and we have to suffer because of it.

No, The GOP got the House and Senate because "We The People" voted them into office over their Democrat opponents. It didn't hurt that most Americans agree that Obama sucks (check his approval rating).

"We the People" will be doing the same thing again for President as we take America back.

you guys haven't taken anything back.

you guys got the house and senate because only 1/3 of the voting population showed up.

regardless, you haven't taken anything back. everybody thinks the tea party is crazy. you guys got the house and senate and have accomplished absolutely nothing.

you guys claimed to be all about budgeting, but have done nothing but increased the budget.

when you keep saying "take america back" i can't help but finish the sentence with "to the great depression".

Spew all you want but the fact remains...

Resistance is Futile,

We need young voters to turn out at midterms. This is the only way obstructionism will stop.

With Bernie in office I see "HUGE" turn outs come midterm elections and a swing to the Dems. Dems outnumber Reps:

link to data...

Which was in response to the Democrats saying the same thing when they regained control of the House and Senate during the Bush administration.

Further, the Democrats had a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, until Kennedy died. They also owned the House. They could push through anything they wanted, and the Republicans were powerless to stop them. They made sure the Republicans knew it too, saying that elections have consequences, so it just didn't matter what the Republicans thought anout anything.

The Dems and the GOP do not decide elections. Sure they stomp and raise hell in their voices, but they decide nothing. Independent voters decide elections.

Any hope he had of getting in the WH just vanished.


Ben Carson: Muslims Only Embrace American Democracy 'If They're Schizophrenic'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ben-carson-muslims-schizophrenic_us_56c35c6ae4b0b40245c80190?

Neurosurgeon and GOP presidential candidate Ben Carson accused Muslims who both adhere to Islamic law and embrace American values of being "schizophrenic."

In an interview Monday with Breitbart News' Stephen K. Bannon, Carson was asked whether he believes Muslims who are "Sharia adherent" can also participate in a Democratic society governed by the rule of law.

"Only if they're schizophrenic," Carson said. "I don't see how they can do it otherwise, because they have two different philosophies boring at you [that contradict each other]. That would be very difficult."

Carson also argued political correctness will leave Americans vulnerable to ISIS threats.

"We would be so busy trying to protect their rights that we wouldn't be watching our own," he said. "When I say things like that, people say 'Oh you're Islamophobic.' No, it's not Islamophobic at all... There's a difference between Muslims who accept America and accept our Constitution and accept our ways and those who want to continue a different method of living. And if we're not sophisticated enough to understand that we will lose that war."


Carson previously used the severe mental disorder to describe advocates of separating church and state.

"Every coin in our pocket, every bill in our wallet, says 'In God We Trust,'" Carson said during a speech in Iowa earlier this month. "If it’s in our founding documents, it’s in our pledge, in our courts, and it’s on our money, but we’re not supposed to talk about it, what in the world is that? In medicine, we call it 'schizophrenia.' And doesn’t that explain a lot of what’s going on in our nation?"

He's also spoken out against Muslims participating in American public life. In September, he said he would not support a Muslim running for president. And in November, he called for blocking refugees from the Middle East from coming to the U.S.

The Huffington Post is tracking Islamophobic incidents across the U.S. Read more here.

j/c

Just for fun, let's say Trump doesn't get the Rep. nod/bid. He's sad he'd run as an independent. So, Say it's Cruz as the republican nominee, and trump runs as an I.

Then, let's say the dnc gets their way and hillary is the nominee. Bernie seems to have some legitimate support. Does he run as an independent?

Just imagine a ballot of:

R - Cruz
D - clinton
I - Trump
I - Sanders.

Marco is done. he got rattled. and now is saying things just to try and keep up and stay relevant.


You'll Never Guess Who Marco Rubio Blames for 9/11

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a42178/marco-rubio-9-11-bill-clinton/

Young Marco Rubio is said by people who probably have trouble matching their socks to be the foreign-policy savant in the Republican field, probably on the basis of all those committee hearings he didn't attend. Anyway, he demonstrated his inimitable gravitas in the middle of the lengthy squabble over whether or not George W. Bush actually was president on September 11, 2001. This was the answer given by Young Marco Rubio, who is Ready To Lead.

I just want to say, at least on behalf of me and my family, I thank God all the time it was George W. Bush in the White House on 9/11 and not Al Gore.
(I wish Al Gore had been president on August 6, 2001. He'd have read the damn briefing paper.)

And you can—I think you can look back in hindsight and say a couple of things, but he kept us safe. And not only did he keep us safe, but no matter what you want to say about weapons of mass destruction, Saddam Hussein was in violation of U.N. resolutions, in open violation, and the world wouldn't do anything about it, and George W. Bush enforced what the international community refused to do. And again, he kept us safe, and I am forever grateful to what he did for this country…The World Trade Center came down because Bill Clinton didn't kill Osama bin Laden when he had the chance to kill him.
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This is, of course, despicable. Starting on August 7, 1998, when bombs destroyed two American embassies in Africa and killed 224 people, and throughout the rest of his presidency, President Clinton devoted more attention to the growing threat posed by bin Laden and what would become known as al Qaeda than he did to practically anything else, including his own blossoming legal troubles. On August 20, he ordered a cruise missile attack on a training camp near Khost in Afghanistan. Let author Lawrence Wright take the story from there:

"Bin Laden had made the decision to go to Khost only the night before," he writes. "But as he and his companions were driving through Vardak province, they happened to pause at a crossroads. 'Where do you think, my friends, we should go,' bin Laden asked. 'Khost or Kabul?' His bodyguard and others voted for Kabul, where they could visit friends. 'Then, with God's help, let us go to Kabul,' bin Laden decreed—a decision that may have saved his life."
The response of the Republicans in Congress was to accuse Clinton of launching the attack to divert attention from the gathering frenzy for his impeachment. It was called "wag the dog." Young Marco can look it up.

There also is no question that, upon being installed by the Supreme Court, George W. Bush and his administration made a decision to de-emphasize counterterrorism in its law-enforcement plans. It was part of the reason Richard Clarke got demoted. It was the reason outgoing national-security adviser Sandy Berger told his successor in that job, Condoleezza Rice, that she'd be spending more time on the bin Laden problem than on anything else. It was why Paul Wolfowitz blew off Clarke at the Bush administration's first cabinet meeting. And it was why C-Plus Augustus felt comfortable leaving his August 6, 2001 Presidential Daily Briefing for later.

On Sunday, Rubio visited the Overlook Hotel, and my man Chuck Todd, who always has been the caretaker, asked Rubio about what he'd said on Saturday. He remained uninformed, or mendacious.

CHUCK TODD: So I'm actually still not quite clear. Are you putting 9/11 on Bill Clinton?
MARCO RUBIO: No, I'm putting it on his decision not to take out bin Laden, absolutely. This is what happens when you have a chance to take out the leader of a terrorist organization, and you failed to do so. And the results are something like 9/11.
Sometime late in 1998, President Clinton issued a finding that authorized the killing of Osama bin Laden, even to the extent of shooting down a civilian aircraft on which the al Qaeda leader might be traveling. There never was a "decision not to take out bin Laden." Young Marco Rubio is both wrong and despicable here. Whoever is working his levers on this issue really needs to read up.

Bernie has already said he won't split the vote.

Ah, didn't know that.

Thanks.

I could see Billary trying desperately to grab Bernie as her running mate, if (s)he should prevail at the nomination. I'm doubting that Sanders would say yes (because you can't do much from the 'Veep seat'), but it wouldn't surprise me to see efforts made in that direction. It would make sense: solidify the two camps, Bernie doesn't 'split the ticket... and it builds momentum toward Nov.

Cynical as all get-out, but typical Wash DC.


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How is giving all my money to Bernie in my best interest?

I think Elizabeth Warren gets a VP nod from both of them. She hasn't endorsed either yet, even though she is very much like Bernie.

Trump also said a debate or two ago that he wouldn't run as an I either. Don't believe him, but he did say it on national television.

That is very selfish of you. It is for the greater good, shame on you for thinking about yourself. I'm appalled.

I know...wanting to keep what I earn. Pure evil.

Yes you should fight to keep everything you earn. We absolutely don't need to take care of the poor and sick in this country, that wouldn't be very GOP Christian-like!

And who cares that the bridges and roads are crumbling, or that the insurance companies and Big Pharma are economically raping our medical system, that's the problem of the poor! Oh wait, do you pay for health care?

AND forget trying to lower crime rates and incarceration by educating people and giving them real opportunities to become productive citizens in the new world economy where the best jobs and incomes go to the most educated / high tech labor force... we don't need all that money in our economy! Much better to fight over our trickle down master's scraps.

I could go on, but you either get the point or never will.

It makes sense and it's brought up almost every election cycle.. but how often does it really happen that two people fight it out for the nomination, then the winner picks the loser as a running mate? I honestly can't remember it ever happening... perhaps it has.

I guess the logic goes something like this... I just spent the last year and a half telling you why all of this person's policies are wrong, now I want them to be my VP?

I can only remember Reagan Bush.

Voodoo economics .....

The story I read was that Reagan asked his advisors "Are you telling me I have to pick that son-of-a-***** Bush to be my running mate?".

Poll: Trump surges over GOP field, Clinton locked in virtual tie

Donald Trump has surged to new heights in the Republican primary race, building a 2-1 national lead over the rest of the field, according to a new Quinnipiac University poll out Wednesday.

His 39 percent support marks his highest in the survey to date.

"Reports of Donald Trump's imminent demise as a candidate are clearly and greatly exaggerated,” Tim Malloy, assistant director of the poll, said in a statement.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/02/...irtual-tie.html

-How does one stop a runaway steamroller?

he's steam rolling the gop side, we will see what the numbers say come general election.

Bernie vs. Trump please! lol... landslide for Bernie.

i dunno bro.

i mean you convinced me to go ahead and jump aboard the bernie train. choo choo!!

there's a problem. all the moderates and independents are gonna be going back and forth between the two.

you already have a sizable population that are like YTown: in their eyes, the two choices are so bad, they aren't even gonna bother voting, as it's gonna be a bad choice regardless.

you got people on the left who might vote trump, just like you have people on the right who might vote bernie.

i think as far as the base of either party goes, that's out the window, imo. this is a clash of two completely different sets of ideology. they are both saying the same issues, but two totally different ways of solving them.

traditionally, the two presidential hopefuls had at least a few similarities as far as policy goes.

there's virtually none between bernie and sanders. so i dunno what's gonna happen.

Ted Cruz's Hugely Expensive Plan for a Huge Military


http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/arch...tm_source=yahoo

Cruz said he would cancel President Obama’s plan to shrink the Army to 450,000 by 2018, and he said the nation needs a minimum force of 525,000 soldiers. He promised to increase the Navy from its current 273 ships to 350, the largest fleet in recent memory. He wants 12 new ballistic-missile submarines. He wants to increase the Air Force by nearly 20 percent, from around 5,000 planes now to 6,000. Mentioning the increasing centrality of drones to American military operations, he said the force of drone pilots needs to grow. He vowed to expand missile-defense systems, improve cyberwar defenses, and protect American assets in space.

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lol, jeez. man i thought you guys were suppose to be fiscally conservative? you know how much bread this will cost? how can he pay for this, AND cut taxes, and balance the budget, AND start putting some sort of dent in the national debt?

I never said we shouldn't take care of them. Giving more money to the government to expect them do it is what I am against. If I give $100 to a homeless guy, he gets $100. If I give $100 to Comrade Sanders to give to the homeless guy, he gets $5. See the problem.



Tell me how giving all my money to the government will fix these problems? Putting the government in charge of college or healthcare is not going to make costs go down. It will make them go up. Then Sanders will ask for more and more tax money to pay for his ridiculous programs.

Here in Colorado Springs there is a pothole problem. The city said they needed more money. So they raised our taxes to pay for pothole repairs. The pothole problem has only gotten worse.

You can go ahead believe all the crap that Sanders feeds you. The government has never solved a problem by throwing more money at it. If people let Sanders have his 19 trillion dollar spending plan, he'll be back in few years to raise taxes because he needs another 19 trillion.

You get Haley Barbour on your side!!!

“A liberal’s paradise would be a place where everybody has guaranteed employment, free comprehensive healthcare, free education, free food, free housing, free clothing, free utilities, and only law enforcement has guns. And believe it or not, such a place does indeed already exist: It's called Prison."

Sheriff Joe Arpaio
Maricopa County, Arizona

Just saw Cruz is leading in the latest national poll...

NBC Poll

if you really wanna see a landslide, put cruz against bernie. man that would be ugly for cruz.

That would probably generate about the lowest voter turnout in history.. who knows, maybe that, in itself, would be a good thing.