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JC

Anyone else hate when racists force Peyton to take HGH and show his junk to girls a decade earlier? Cuz I do.

And there you go........

I'm sorry. Do you have a monopoly on not holding people accountable for their actions because of racism?

Manning not being held accountable for a sexual assault is not a racial issue. It's a problem we have today with not taking those types of situations as serious as we should.

Peyton Manning, white, black, hispanic, chinese, whatever race you want, makes people tons of money.

Perhaps people should read about the rampant rape culture going on across the country at many (almost all) universities. Not all dealing with student athletes either.

Last time I checked, Jameis Winston may have raped someone at Florida State, and other than a one week run on late night sports talk, that got swept right under the rug.

There is pretty horrible story involving one of Notre Dame's players 5-6 years ago that involved a football player raping a girl who ended up committing suicide. The player was black.

The Baylor story involving a transferred football player got a few days run and that was put away.

It's not race. It's more money-driven than anything else.

Sexism is far more accepted than racism. You can see it on this very board quite often. The righteous people who claim there is institutional racism and that America degrades people because of their race are the same people who ignore the treatment of women in this country. They ignore rape, they ignore their treatment in the workplace, they ignore how women in politics are attacked for their looks, they ignore the degrading "jokes", they blame the woman for a football player getting in trouble or abusing their girlfriend, they rationalize their own behavior toward women because, you know, boys will be boys, etc. It's the ultimate in hypocrisy, and it continues without fail. Let's see, how many woman presidents have there been in the good old USA?

This shows that it's really not about the majority, but it's about the people who hold the money and the power. And it's about people picking and choosing who they see as the victims in this society.

Really it is just a smear campaign against him. As they want to bring him down. After such a rough year for him.

I'd vote for Elizabeth Warren.

Powerful post as usual Jules.

I live not too far from South Bend and I remember this very clearly. I also remember how quickly it vanished and was never brought up again. Notre Dame is the largest money maker in that city and they get to call a lot of shots.

I feel less than qualified to speak on the subject of racism. Often I don't even recognize it in the midst.

I grew up out in the country. Born in 1952. Spent my whole public school career in one large building housing first grade through high school. I don't remember there ever being a minority student in my twelve years. I lack that experience.

My dad was an upbeat, positive kind of guy. He was raised in the Briar Hill area area of Youngstown, Ohio. He worked in the steel mills there. He seemed to love his job or perhaps more accurately he loved people which included those he worked with. He was always talking about his "buddies" at work. One of those whom he had many great stories about was Charlie. I heard about Charlie over and over through my early years.

One day he announced that Charlie would be joining us for dinner as dad had just bought a new refrigerator and Charlie was going to help him load it on his truck and carry it into the house the next day. I remember being kind of excited to meet Charlie. Here was a guy who worked with my dad and who my dad talked about often.

The next day came. Dad and Charlie drove up in the truck and came into our house. Charlie was black. I never knew that before. Dad never mentioned it, supposedly because he didn't see it as an important distinction.

That was actually my first experience of being up close to a black man. I was probably 10. I remember studying him like he was an alien, the dark skin color, the broad nose and thick lips and the different way he talked. We sat at table laughing over a good dinner as I wondered why I never knew Charlie was a black man. I never asked my dad. As a child I figured that out for myself, it didn't matter.

My next experience with blacks was in the Army. Now I was among many. The longer I was around them the more I could see what other (whites) had talked about. The different culture, the way we were friends until they got around other blacks and then I got ignored, even dissed. That upset me and made what others have said to make sense. I felt a bit of that racism welling up in me. But before I left the military I learned something.

It didn't matter what group people belonged in they all had major differences. The blacks, who stood out most obvious by color, but there were also hillbillys, Italians, people of Spanish origin, country folk, city folk, east coast, west coast and so many more. They all had their own culture and idiosyncrasies, some very odd and unlike me. If left to fester one could develop a hatred toward many of them. But if one could acknowledge that the world is made up of a lot of different kinds of people and then take the smallest of steps to accept that then observing them all becomes a learning experience.

I quickly came to realize that everyone is not like me and that there is something unique and wonderful about all the cultures. There is also something odd and disagreeable with them, but that's true of everyone. Nobody needs to be singled out as the bad guy, as a culture. Some of my best friends were/are jerks. Why should I expect anything different from anyone else.

That mindset was pretty much established in me by the time I left the Army. As I've aged it's always held true that if you accept everyone there will be those you love and those you don't, not as a group, but as individuals. As a group they are all good, just different.

Had I heard stories over the dinner table of, "my black buddy, Charlie", maybe I'd have grown up with a different perspective. But since my dad didn't see the necessity of making that distinction I think it molded me and my thinking.

Now on the other hand, you, have been on the front lines of the racial issue. School is a diverse collection of different races and cultures and you get them all when they're teenagers. You have no chance to raise them correctly. You start dealing with them when many of the prejudices have already been ingrained in them from their upbringing. What a place to start from! Now it's not so much up to you to teach them as it is to fix them.

So you see it and live it daily. As a result you are always looking for ways to correct it. Although I see it daily as well I have the advantage to accept those I will and dismiss those I won't. But that's because it's just my life. In your case you are charged with care taking the lives of others, to influence change in the lives of others if needed, and it is needed, especially the lives of the young.

Having said all this I'm not bowing out of my responsibility to affect change, at least I don't think I am. But the manner in which I operate is by example, by accepting others for who they are in full view of anyone and everyone. I don't feel qualified to teach change other than to witness as I have done in this post. I've never been in the trenches having to deal with the conflicts that arise. In fact, I would feel very uncomfortable in that situation having no real experience in it. On the other hand, I'm old enough to step up and deal with whatever comes before me and maybe in those times I am of some help. But the main difference between you and I is that you march straight into the fray to make a difference whereas I only deal with it when confronted.

I really wish I could contribute more on the subject. I rarely post on these issues here. I read the posts and marvel at the lack of faith and understanding from both sides. I just don't know how to approach it.

On December 1, 1955 a young black woman in Montgomery, Alabama refused to move to the back of a public bus, relinquishing her seat to white folk as was the policy at the time. That young lady was Rosa Parks. It set off a firestorm that is remembered to this day. There were fight and battles which resulted in changes that may have taken much, much longer to enact had she not taken her stance at that time.

I was 3 years old.

Now three years old is much to young for me to have remembered that instance first hand but it does place me squarely in the midst of a time, the era, when segregation was operating as a matter of law. My point: it was not that long ago. I'm still living. So are many my age who've lived through the racism from the wrong side, first hand. It's only common sense then that the generation before me taught me and then I, in turn, have taught the next generation. The same goes for those blacks who were 3 years old when Rosa stood her ground.

If I was taught tolerance then I'll be tolerant and I'll teach that. If I was taught racism than I'll be racist and I'll teach that. I could have raised my kids, who now have their own kids, either direction. It's not hard to see why we are where we are. Neither is it hard to see that it's going to take more time to effectively change society. At this point we are in the early middle of the process.

It's obvious we've got a long way to go.

BIG props to Jules and well stated!

You go Jules!

Whitlock calls out Shaun King (not the quarterback)

Posted by Mike Florio on February 15, 2016, 10:03 AM EST


Saturday’s bombshell from Shaun King (not the quarterback) of the New York Daily News has sparked plenty of criticism and scrutiny of Peyton Manning. Appearing on The Dan Patrick Show, Jason Whitlock of FOX Sports has applied some criticism and scrutiny to Shaun King.


“The guy that wrote this story for the New York Daily News, he’s not a journalist,” Whitlock said. “He’s a race hustler from Twitter, from the Black Lives Matter movement who stirs racial controversy to elevate himself. Listen, the guy’s been busted. First of all, he’s white and presenting himself as black. He said that as a child in high school he was allegedly attacked by a group of white people because he was black. Well, he wasn’t black and there were people saying that wasn’t why he was attacked and there’s no proof of it. He said that it was the first hate crime in Kentucky or whatever.


“I looked into this all at the time because I interviewed this guy for a job at The Undefeated months ago,” Whitlock said, referring to the microsite he was hired to develop at ESPN. “And after interviewing him I was like, ‘Holy cow.’ There’s so much suspicious, skeptical stuff to this guy that we walked away from this guy and looked into the stories he told us, and we couldn’t find proof of them.”


It’s not the first time King has been accused of faking his race. An item from the New York Daily News, the publication that currently employs King, addressed the situation last year. King denied that he is misrepresenting his race.


Whitlock also argued that if Manning did what he is accused of doing — “if he sat on a female’s face with his butt and ball” — a teammate would have knocked Manning out. While that may not be the case when it comes to the star quarterback of a major Division I football program, it would be critical to hear detailed testimony from anyone and everyone who witnessed the incident in order to make a reliable decision on what actually happened.


Ultimately, that’s the one thing that this case never received: A trial in open court. The parties chose to settle the case before that could happen, making it necessarily impossible to make a clear decision as to what did or didn’t happen. Whatever King’s motivations, he helped set an inaccurate narrative by presenting the allegations contained in the document released on Saturday not as accusations but as undeniable fact.


PFT

I agree with a lot of what you said.

It makes my blood boil when people use rape as a descriptor for other actions that carry none of the violence, hatred, and abuse that rape carries.

I don't know how many women are prepared to step in at the NFL level and coach, but I see no reason why women cannot fill front office roles, and progress as they learn, or have learned, more and more of the front office responsibilities. Players are promoted from the playing field to scouting, and little on the field itself would necessarily prepare them for scouting. (outside, maybe, knowing how to study tape) I think that women are more than capable of knowing how to study tape, and study players and trends.

I agree and disagree with you on political issues..... some people make fun of the way people look, no matter if they are men or women. Some make fun of politicians because of their political beliefs ..... and sometimes that causes caricatures of people, both men and women, I do agree that sometimes a beautiful woman, or even just an "ordinary" woman period, is somehow seen as less capable than a man, and that is absolutely wrong.

Just as I thought.

Hard to refute a sound, legal argument like that.

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/1...n-training-room

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/spor...pm_sports_pop_b

Wapo and ESPN got some interesting things. WaPo alleges that Manning did this in retaliation to Nauhright saying Manning cheated.

Interesting part:



And probably the most poetic thing said about Manning ever:

I don't think the biggest take-away from this story is necessarily the disgusting thing Peyton did in college (and goodness gracious, people don't settle out of court like this when they're innocent). What jumps off the page is how vindictive he was years after the fact, taking a shot at the woman against the gag order. And the judge rightfully slammed him for that. It happened. He pathetically can't own it. He also sent PI's to the house of the parents of the leaker about the alleged HGH allegations. The man isn't as squeaky clean as his manufactured, commercial persona indicates.

Another issue, and it's still a big, big problem in today's workplace is sexual harassment in general. The policies are in place but victims are fearful to come forward regardless of the legality of ensuing retaliation. Playing a big hand in this is that far too many people are reluctant to extend and actually apply such policies towards someone they like (a la Manning or the suave, charismatic dude in sales).