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Yeah, exactly. And we'd finally get the ball-dominant, ISO player we've lacked for so long.

Olympic Melo is one of the most fun players to watch. Knicks Melo is pretty bad to watch (although he has been better this year).

If only we played Spain in the Finals.

The thought is that if Melo doesn't have to be the best player on the team, then he turns into a better team player.

That would essentially mean we traded Wiggins for Anderson. Barf.

No idea.

up until his achilles tear Andy was a really good player, when he got hurt he was averaging something like 14 boards a game..and the years prior, up until injury he was alway productive, he was worth 9 mil a year with what some others are getting. Problem was length/structure to protect Cavs from injuries which have always been part of his problem.

It was also sort of his "Kobe Bryant"-like Thank You contract for years of service. Sort of a "Thanks for sticking with us through those lean couple of years."

You have to remember too, he was the starting center when he got it and more than likely one of the key "glue" guys in the locker-room. He's always been one of Lebron's faves and I think everyone generally liked him on the team. Even after he was injured, he always sat front row on the bench right next to the coaches, while others generally took a seat in the back if they were in street clothes.

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Portland is getting something nice.

Also, the Cavs still have too many big guys (Love, Mozgoz, Thompson, and now Frye).

Odd trade by the Cavs.

Frye is clearly better than Varejao at this point, so that's good. Ither than that, I'm not sure what this is supposed to accomplish (unless there is another move coming that we don't know about).

Not sure what exactly that gives us. Channing Fry doesn't really help us against Golden State, does he?

Tax savings?

Frye has a pretty hefty contract. He is making just over $8 million, Varejao just over $9 million.

That's a whole $3 mil in tax savings!

Has Andy's game really gone to crap that badly? Frye is yet another PF that can't play defense. Meanwhile, Andy was probably one of the more liked guys in the locker-room. It's sort of like when we lost Z.

Jared Cunningham part of the deal too.

Portland got a protected first round pick from the Cavs to take on Varejao's contract.

The Blazers are going to waive Varejao.

https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/700382097471578116

Nice trade by the Cavs. As much as we like Anderson, Frye is an upgrade for the Cavs and the system that they currently run. Make no mistake about it, it will be difficult to see Anderson in another uniform, but we are not in this for friendship but for the business side of this thing. I am glad that the deal was done and hopefully we can get a Championship out of one of our beloved Cleveland teams!

I've got a feeling this is setting up for us to sign somebody that gets bought out.

Don't put your cards in the Joe Johnson basket. He says he won't take a buyout and wants to re-sign with the Nets.

I don't see Frye as an upgrade at all. He is a better shooter, but he is not even close in terms of defense and rebounding.

There has to be more going on.

Frye is a poor man's Kevin Love.

Yep.

You think they're gonna move Love?

So we now have an open roster spot, correct? Is the trade exception in play?

I think it has crossed their mind, but I don't think they will unless Carmelo approves a trade.

Nothing would make LeBron happier than getting one of his guys (Wade, Paul, Bosh, or Anthony).

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Cavs are chasing their tail.

Yeah, but that's being used to bring in Frye. I'm not sure why we didn't just use Haywood's exception to pick up Frye, but I guess Dan Gilbert's unlimited spending has finally reached it's limits.

Yeah exactly. That's what I don't get. We were already struggling to work Kevin Love into the offense, so now we got Frye to work in there now too? Unless we move Love for ... something?

Getting out of that Varejao contract was probably quite important for the Cavs. He is pretty much toast at this point. The contracts of both Frye and Varejao run through 17-18. Frye has one of those weird descending contracts though (making just over $7 million in 17-18), while Varejao will make $10 million in 17-18.

That $10 mill in 17-18 was a Team Option though, so it really only saved them the $9 mil from this year and next. And I think even next year's salary was only partially guaranteed.

Stupid Spotrac didn't have his last year listed as a team option.

Even still, when you are trying to win a title, it's hard to have a guy who does nothing making a good chunk of money riding the bench.

Yeah, but we traded him for a bench rider making almost as much money for the same amount of years (And probably guaranteed money too)

The thing is ... Andy was one of those "glue" guys. He endeared himself to the Franchise, fans and his teammates. Sure, he only averaged 2pt/3rb in the limited minutes we gave him, but we got back a 5pt/3rb guy in return. Sure he's a little better from 3 pt range, but Andy is probably better at defense. It's a very marginal improvement and very marginal savings, for a guy that put his heart and soul into the franchise.

Maybe they just finally decided that Kevin Love isn't a winner. Maybe he doesn't do well under the microscope. He thrived as the only show in town with basically no cameras around in Minnesota and maybe he's just more comfortable with no expectations, which is what the T-Wolves had. Didn't matter if he didn't play great there, because nobody expected anything from the team. Maybe he's not a pressure player. I don't know... the look on his face when things are important is not one that instills confidence. I don't watch a whole lot of NBA, but that's always stood out for me as weird with him.

Well we can chalk this up as one of Griff's major blunders. If you give him the contract because he's a team-chemistry guy, then you keep him on the team. If he's not, then you don't hand out the huge contract and let him walk.

He essentially signed him to a contract and then 16 months later, traded a first round pick and Jared Cunningham to unload the contract.