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Did you forget about our HC, OC, QB coach, DC coach, etc? It's not one isolated move, tab. ??? confused here. Isn't that what normally happens when there is a regime change. If that means my "possibility" statement is what you are digussing.
1. I believe I said, probably not.
But that doesn't mean the departure was not on a mutual basis either.
I thought, especially the O with Hue taking over HC and O he had a multitude of his own candidates to vie for all the asst. positions. Well we know he had around 142 of them...lol
So as stated I think Montgomery did a good job while he was here and is very like able. But the change as you showed with other departures comes at no surprise.
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Did you forget about our HC, OC, QB coach, DC coach, etc?
It's not one isolated move, tab. I think sometimes you stick up for coaches too much. You can look up the record the last 20 or so games. Sorry, I can't stick up for that. The players with no coaching at all could have done that. Maybe better.
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Did you forget about our HC, OC, QB coach, DC coach, etc?
It's not one isolated move, tab. I think sometimes you stick up for coaches too much. You can look up the record the last 20 or so games. Sorry, I can't stick up for that. The players with no coaching at all could have done that. Maybe better. No kidding. Vers. Is there anything you find positive going forward? Anything? Hiring Sanders maybe?
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http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...09-ca817fd099c1Browns add 8 to coaching staff Cleveland Browns Head Coach Hue Jackson announced eight additions to the coaching staff on Monday. Rock Cartwright (offensive quality control), Louie Cioffi (defensive backs), Ken Delgado (assistant defensive line), Johnny Holland (inside linebackers), Cannon Matthews (assistant defensive backs), Robert Nunn (defensive line), Eric Sanders (defensive quality control) and Ryan Slowik (outside linebackers) have joined the staff. “When I look at the whole makeup of our staff, I am really excited about the men who have come here to Cleveland to help assist this organization be the best that it can be,” Jackson said. “I think when you look at our staff we have a very good mix of old and young, experience and inexperience, and we have the potential to keep growing. We are going to chase greatness together and that is what this is all about.” Cioffi previously spent the 2013 season in the same role with the club. Cioffi has 21 years of NFL coaching experience and has worked with Browns defensive coordinator Ray Horton during 10 of those seasons. He spent the past two years (2014-15) as the defensive backs coach for Tennessee. Cioffi spent two seasons (2011-12) with the Cardinals and played a pivotal role in the development of 2011 first-round draft pick cornerback Patrick Peterson. Prior to Arizona, Cioffi spent 14 seasons with the Cincinnati Bengals, first as a defensive assistant (1997-2002) and then as assistant defensive backs coach (2003-10). Hired in 1997 as a defensive assistant at the age of 23, Cioffi was the youngest full-time assistant coach in the NFL at that time. He began his coaching career in 1993 as a staff assistant with the New York Jets. He also coached wide receivers for two seasons (1995-96) at C.W. Post University in Brookville, N.Y. Matthews spent the 2013 season as a defensive coaching intern with Cleveland. He was the defensive quality control coach in Tennessee from 2014-15. Matthews spent one season (2012) as the running backs coach at Kentucky Christian University following four years (2008-11) with the Buffalo Bills as a coaching assistant. He worked with the defense and special teams from 2008-09 and with the offense from 2010-11. He entered the professional ranks as a personnel intern for the Arena League’s Arizona Rattlers in 2008. A native of Bedford Heights, Ohio, Matthews earned a sport management degree from Ohio University. “Louie Cioffi and Cannon Matthews were both with Ray here in Cleveland and also in Tennessee,” Jackson said. “I think it was very important to get continuity on that side. These guys have been around Ray, and I think that is important. They understand the system and know how things are laid out. I think anytime that you can have coaches that you have worked with, you have an opportunity to hit the ground running. Me and Louie worked together in Cincinnati a while back so I know what kind of football coach he is. Cannon is going to be the assistant secondary coach and he will do a tremendous job.” Delgado has spent the past 30 years coaching on the college level, where he has helped his teams to 15 postseason bowl games and developed a number of future NFL players. He spent the past two seasons (2014-15) as the defensive ends coach at Western Kentucky. In 2015, the Hilltoppers went 12-2 and finished No. 24 in the final Associated Press poll. Delgado has also had stints as the defensive line coach at Eastern Michigan (2010-13), Louisville (2008-09) and Cal (2002-07). Two of Degaldo’s products, Brandon Mebane (Seattle) and Tully Banta-Cain (New England), went on to win the Super Bowl. Prior to joining the staff at Cal, Delgado worked eight years (1994-01) at San Diego State. He served as the defensive line coach from 1994-99 before being promoted to defensive coordinator from 2000-01. He helped develop Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila, who became the Aztecs’ sack leader and later the Green Bay Packers career sack leader. Delgado coached one season (1993) at Utah and seven seasons (1986-92) at San Jose State. He played two seasons at San Jose State. “This will be Ken Delgado’s first opportunity to coach in the National Football League,” Jackson said. “I have a relationship with him prior, we go way back and I have watched him teach at so many different places. I know that he is a guy who is going to help teach that room how to play defensive line.” As a coach, Holland has helped his teams win championships in the NFL, CFL and UFL. As a player, he played seven seasons as a linebacker with Green Bay and was named to the Packers’ Hall of Fame in 2001 and the Texas A&M Hall of Fame in 1993. Holland coached in the CFL the past three seasons (2013-15) and helped the Saskatchewan Roughriders capture the Grey Cup in 2013. After one year with the Oakland Raiders (2012), he spent one season (2011) with the UFL’s Virginia Destroyers, helping the team win the league championship. Holland served as linebackers coach for five seasons (2006-10) with the Houston Texans, where he helped tutor two players who were named Associated Press Defensive Rookie of the Year in DeMeco Ryan (2006) and Brian Cushing (2009). Holland spent three seasons with Detroit (2003-05) and three seasons with Seattle (2000-02). He began his coaching career with the Packers in 1995 and spent five seasons on staff. He helped the Packers win consecutive NFC championships and Super Bowl XXXI. “Johnny Holland is a seasoned veteran coach,” Jackson said. “He played in this league and has had success as a player and a coach. He is a very passionate demanding teacher. I know without any question he is going to get the best out of our linebackers.” Nunn has 16 years of NFL coaching experience, including the past six seasons as defensive line coach with the New York Giants, where he helped the team win Super Bowl XLVI. During his six seasons (2010-15) with the Giants, Nunn worked with a number of renowned pass rushers including, Jason Pierre-Paul, Justin Tuck and Osi Umenyiora, who each recorded at least one double-digit sack season during that span. Nunn coached Tampa Bay’s defensive line in 2009 and Green Bay’s defensive tackles from 2005-08. He has two stints coaching in Miami, first from 2000-02, and also in 2004. He entered the NFL as a defensive assistant in 2000 before being promoted to assistant defensive line/quality control coach from 2001-02. In 2003, Nunn was the defensive line coach in Washington, during which time Bruce Smith broke the NFL career sacks record. Prior to the joining the NFL ranks, Nunn coached 12 years on the college level. He served as team captain and was a four-year letterman at Oklahoma State. “Robert Nunn is one of the finest defensive line coaches in all of pro football,” Jackson sad. “We have a relationship that extends back to our days with the Washington Redskins. He coached in Super Bowls with the New York Giants and has coached some tremendous players.” Sanders spent 2015 as a defensive assistant at Stanford. He helped the school to a 12-2 record, including a 45-16 victory in the Rose Bowl. Prior to Stanford, Sanders spent five seasons (2010-14) with the Raiders as a quality control coach, initially with the offense for three seasons and later the defense. Sanders was part of Jackson’s staff in Oakland in 2011. Sanders spent two seasons (2008-09) coaching the linebackers at UC Davis and one season (2006) as assistant offensive line/tight ends coach. He also was a graduate assistant at Utah State in 2007. “Eric Sanders was our offensive quality control coach when I was with the Raiders,” Jackson said. “I have always wanted to get him back with me. He is hard working and great at analyzing things. He is coming from Stanford and they have a tremendous program. He will help with our linebackers.” Slowik has coached in the NFL the last 11 years, including two seasons (2011-12) with Horton in Arizona. Slowik was the Jets assistant defensive line coach in 2015. The Jets finished second in the NFL allowing 83.4 rushing yards a game and Muhammad Wilkerson led the team with 12 sacks, while earning his first career Pro Bowl selection. Slowik spent six seasons (2009-14) with the Cardinals, where he served as defensive quality control coach, assisting with the team’s linebackers from 2009-11, outside linebackers coach in 2012 and defensive assistant/defensive backs coach from 2013-14. Prior to Arizona, Slowik spent four years (2005-08) with the Broncos in a variety of roles. He started his coaching career at his alma mater, UW-Oshkosh, in 2004 as an assistant secondary coach. Before joining the coaching ranks, Slowik served as a personnel intern with the Packers for one season (2003). As a strong safety, Slowik began his collegiate playing career at Youngstown State (2000-01) before transferring to UW-Oshkosh (2002-03). His father, Bob, is a long-time NFL assistant who was the Browns defensive coordinator in 1999. “Ryan Slowik is an up and coming bright young coach,” Jackson said. “I think he has tremendous upside as a young coach in this profession. He has been with the Jets, Cardinals and Broncos. I think the sky is the limit for him.” As a running back, Cartwright appeared in 154 games during a 10-year NFL career. He was a seventh-round draft pick by Washington in 2002. He played eight seasons (2002-09) with the Redskins and two (2010-11) with Oakland. He set a Redskins single-season record with 1,541 kickoff return yards in 2006 and finished second in Redskins history with 3,157 kickoff return yards. Cartwright was a training camp coaching intern with the Steelers in 2015. He was an all-conference selection at Kansas State. “I was part of the process that drafted Rock coming out of Kansas State,” Jackson said. “I was with him for two seasons in Washington and then when I was with the Raiders, we brought him to Oakland. He was a tremendous football player and he was always a team leader. He is a detailed, organized perfectionist who likes to push. I think he will do a great job with Kirby (Wilson) and help our young running backs get better.”
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His father, Bob, is a long-time NFL assistant who was the Browns defensive coordinator in 1999.
Ahhh...........I was wondering why that name sounded familiar.
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Am I missing something, wasn't all of this announced about a week ago? I remember the Rock guy and Slowik being mentioned.
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The names were announced by the "insiders," but the team hadn't officially announced them.
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I mostly just posted it for background of the coaches. Some of the guys I'd never heard of before.
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"Big guys that can run, little men who can hit."
Sounds familiar.
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Chris Kirksey is probably a starter.
Mingo will be back. Don't know where he'll play.
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Kruger didn't have enough help on the other side last year. Still needs to play better. Won't drop back as much, stay in and rush.
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Joe Haden needs to play better.
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"Big guys that can run, little men who can hit."
Sounds familiar. Well that just makes Horton not WISHY WASHY...same coach speak, I liked it the first time...lets hope its better the 2nd time!
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Danny Shelton needs to be on the field every down.
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Mingo will be back. Don't know where he'll play. Horton said he needs to find "the Robin to his Batman" referring to Kruger and the pass rush.... And if not knowing where Mingo will fit doesn't align with that approach, it can't be good for Mingo. I do like his comment about always trying to find a pass rusher every year. Since there are so many rules protecting the QB, you need to find ways to disrupt the QB beyond simply hitting him. (A no brainer, but it's always nice to hear that reiterated)
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If the system is too complex for the players, you change the system. What a revelation
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If the system is too complex for the players, you change the system. What a revelation Saying it and doing it are two different things. Our last coach didn't even say it.
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If the system is too complex for the players, you change the system. What a revelation Saying it and doing it are two different things. Our last coach didn't even say it. Ha.. true. You know what the other answer is, get smarter/better players. But we all know that's not easy to accomplish quickly.
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Probably not right to say we'll be run first, but we'll be physical. Want to feature playmakers.
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Have not discussed the possibility of having Josh Gordon.
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Just clicking.. You know, I was watching the Tabor interview. Man O Man, he reminds me of Jimmy Haslam. Same southern twang, expressions, voice tone and cadence.
I think they were separated at Birth LOL
I can see why coach after coach has decided to keep him, he's smart, articulate and seems to have a direction in mind.
His only agenda seems to be to do what he can to win. That's it. What's not to like.
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I loved Horton's conference. I hope he gets the D in check!
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When was/has the D been any better?
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Hold up........I'll be right back. You must have missed the stats I posted in another thread.
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Ahhhh........here it is: Points: 27th Yards: 27th Passing Yds: 22nd Rushing Yds: 30th
Hope you don't get mad at me for posting the truth. You don't seem like that kind of guy, but some people have been getting upset recently when I post facts.
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Those numbers may be truth but they don't answer the question. When was the last time we were better than that?
I honestly have no answer. But I think it is an interesting question. I kinda don't want to know the answer, I suspect it will make me a little depressed.
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Dick jauron had a good defense.
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Ahhhh........here it is: Points: 27th Yards: 27th Passing Yds: 22nd Rushing Yds: 30th
Hope you don't get mad at me for posting the truth. You don't seem like that kind of guy, but some people have been getting upset recently when I post facts. ***Public Service Announcement***When Versatile Dog post stats, they are the absolute truth and tell the entire story of all the facts. When someone else posts stats and conflict with Versatile Dog's argument, stats are garbage and don't tell the entire story. ....back to your regularly scheduled programming.
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Those defensive stats I posted do not seem to be correct. I looked them up, but Guard posted contrary stats on another thread. I researched another 10-12 sites, and my original stats appear to be inaccurate.
I apologize for that.
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Ahhhh........here it is: Points: 27th Yards: 27th Passing Yds: 22nd Rushing Yds: 30th
Hope you don't get mad at me for posting the truth. You don't seem like that kind of guy, but some people have been getting upset recently when I post facts. And what's been the stats for Jim O'Neil, Ryan and other coordinators? My question still remains, when has our defense been any better or showed any improvements? For me, and I'm not going to Google stats, but Dick Jaron's bend but don't break 4-3 is the only thing that comes to mind of "somewhat" recent times.
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You might have missed Vers' retraction.
He got the wrong stats in the look up actually Hortons D for 2013 was pretty decent statistically. Maybe Vers will copy and paste the correct stats?
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Thanks tab.
Two things:
1. I don't LBer was dissing me. I think he was making his post while I was posting mine. No harm, no foul.
2. I still am not sure what the correct stats are. I saw many different versions on the 10+ sites I visited. I will just say that I am almost positive that the stats I posted earlier were wrong. I feel bad about that. It wasn't my intention to deceive anyone.
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