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Bye Andy, wish you the best and hopefully able to stay healthy. He'll get more PT there than here because we still have too many bigs IMO.

The trade really does nothing for me.

Griff failed miserably. He did nothing to improve team, and traded the one guy he probably shouldn't have.

Please tell me what trades that were offered to us we should of took instead.

Or I dont know, any other ideas.

I'm not excited about the deal, but to say they "failed miserably" is just ridiculous.

Anderson was doing nothing for us. We traded for a floor spacer that we actually use against Portland when they go small against us.

That and we saved about $10 mil in tax money.

I was hoping for another move that got us some more defense, but at least this was a very minor upgrade.

That 10 mill don't get us closer to beating golden state neither does frye. We didn't really upgrade our defense or bench, we had some assets to do that and didn't. Looks like we are betting on buyouts to add. Right now we have 2 roster spots open

wont frye be coming off the bench?? Do we have another stretch 4 on the bench??

No we didn't. I've been telling you that for weeks. The trade exceptions we have are really not worth this much this year, because the salary cap is going up so much next year anyway. Nobody need to clear cap space when the cap itself is going to clear it for them.

Everyone else on the roster is either overpaid or over-aged.

We had assets to shore up bench, bottom line. As it sits right now we have no chance in June unless golden state or SA fall off the map. It is what it is, typical Cleveland sports

reports are that's not happening and Johnson doesn't want a buyout

Uh ... no we didn't. What assets do you speak of? Who exactly were we going to get with them? Nobody wants a broken Mozgov on a 3 month rental. Nobody wants an oft-injured, under-performing Shumpert at $10 mil a year. Nobody needs a Trade Exception. Jared Cunningham is probably getting waived by the team that just got him as a throw in.

We threw away draft picks to get rid of a fan favorite for very marginal upgrade, yeah that makes a lot of sense

He is shooting 40% from 3, if we're only looking at that aspect of the trade, it's more than a marginal upgrade.

I'm not sure how much time he'll get on the court though.

The Cavs have been careless with their assets for at least a couple years now. It started the year before LeBron came back with that misguided effort to chase the 8th seed in the East. I seem to recall we dumped a handful of picks for one year rentals of Luol Deng and Spencer Hawes. As I've said before, when you build a team, you have to be able to look beyond just the upcoming season.

Heck you could go back even further with some of the free agency signings... e.g. the Jarrett Jack signing which required the Cavs to ship off a pick and a couple young players (including Zeller who himself cost 3 draft picks) just to unload the contract. Just right there, that's basically 10 assets gone in a hopeless season.

I don't want to revisit the Love/Wiggins thing although I do think the Cavs jumped the gun a bit on that one. At the very least, Wiggins alone was by far the best offer the 'Wolves were ever going to get and throwing in a first on top of that was unneeded. Bennett may have had some value as well at the time although that's unclear. Mozgov for two firsts looked good for a portion of last season but looks suspicious now. There are others.

Honestly put it all together and the Cavs just haven't done a very good job putting the team together. Yeah they have the big three, yeah they will most likely win the East but when you have three #1 overall picks, a couple #4s, a war chest of other picks and assets from tanking, cap space is in a healthy place, and the best basketball player of this generation comes back in free agency, the team should be a freaking dynasty. The team shouldn't have had to settle for giving minutes to has-beens.

At this point the team pretty much is what it is. It's going to be hard to make meaningful improvements to the roster going forward. Even the aging vets who will take a steep discount in free agency to chase a ring will probably prefer Golden State or maybe San Antonio.

Frye can at least hit open threes. Varejao can do nothing at this point (as evidenced by a team in the playoff hunt waiving him).

hes averaging 5 points a game to Andy's 2..lol so we gave up a first and second, 2 players for a 3 ball a game..Brilliant..lol, i get that he might actually be able to help the second unit some but he doesn't play defense either. The hope I think is if any are bought out like stephenson or Johnson, our bench still needs scoring help imo. I do like that Frye is a more athletic big that can help us when we need to play small ball as he can play the 5 and still stretch next to Love. I just don't think it is enough to catch who we're chasing.. 30 to figure it out

They gave up the picks for salary relief, not for Frye.

But I wasn't arguing that we made a good trade. I'm saying we never had the assets to actually make a good one in the first place.

yeah the expanding cap killed us, but i hate giving away the only assets we have to make the team better with picks..it is what it is..all eyes on buyouts, looks like David Lee and Possibly Kevin Martin could be bought out..i'd like both of them

I tell you what, detroit was sneaky and they made the most of their trades, I think they got substantially better, just by adding Harris.

If they want picks, they can spend about $5 mil of the $10 mil they saved for a pick not much lower than that 1st rounder that they traded away.

I dislike these shirt jerseys...

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Dumb trade. I thought there had to be other moves to make that deal, but there weren't.

The Cavs just got weaker on the boards and on defense. Both were already a concern.

I think Griff is trying to recreate Golden State. Let's get guys who can shoot and play up-tempo.

Dumb strategy. Golden State has the edge in that type of game. The Cavs best bet was to stay w/Blatt and try to play big against GS, just like Milwaukee and some other teams have.

The Cavs have no chance.

Another fun game to watch tonight. We are frustrating the hell out of the Bulls.

Fred Hoiberg with the least inspiring pep talk of all time.

Is there a worse at commentator than Reggie Miller? He constantly misinforms viewers.

(The answer is yes. There is someone worse, Jon Barry.)

Van Gundy makes me feel like I'm his therapist. Except he doesn't pay me.

He is at least funny and has good points when it matters.

I feel like Miller not only adds nothing, but uneducates the viewer.

How bad does LeBron have to get before he stops shooting threes?

I think I've mentioned before ... he should be on Mozgov rules: He gets one three a night. If he makes it, he gets another.

Reggie Miller doesn't understand what journalism is and just called someone a "scaredy cat."

This is an example of why I never take Chicago seriously. They have to be completely healthy and play completely perfect to have a chance of beating Cleveland.

I like what the Clippers did today picking up Green. Warriors will get a tough fight if Blake and Deandre play like they did against San Antonio last year.

Cleveland is the best team in the East, it should take a healthy Bulls team to beat them. They were missing their best player.

Don't think I saw this posted, but since Anderson was cut, can't we bring him back like we did with Z and the Jamison trade?

Indeed.

Went up to the game tonight with my wife. The Cavs coasted thru this game much as they will the East come playoff time.

The games won't matter much until the Finals. Continue to build chemistry and hopefully avoid injuries.

On a side note, the Iman Shumpert bobbleheads from tonight's giveaway will be a nice surprise for my kids in the morning.

There is a rule in place that doesn't allow players who are waived to re-sign with the team that traded them for a calendar year.

Which is idiotic, because, what if no other team wants to sign them at all? They then just have to sit at home ... for no real good reason.

It's because teams and players were taking advantage of the system. Many times players would already know they were going to re-sign with the team that traded with them before the trade was even completed.

http://espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3247183

Also, if a player can't get signed to a minimum contract by 29 teams in the league, then what does that say about that player?

I get that. We did it with Z.

Regardless, if a guy is sitting at home for weeks, he ought to be able to take a job if someone has one for him .... even if it's his old team.

I am actually stunned that the players union went for this. I could see if a guy cannot take the an offer from his old team, if another team also wants to sign him. However, if he has no other options, then he ought to be able to go back to his original team, instead of not being able to play at all.