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Kiper, Jeremiah, Mayock, and a bunch of draft sites have Wentz as the top quarterback. Most have the top three going in the first round.
So here is what I look at when watching tape.
"If" the offense runs plays from under center.
Does the QB make adjustments at the line and have control of the offense? Pre-snap reads, Does he audible?
Are the drops(3, 5, 7 step) from center quick and smooth?
How are the hand offs and play fakes handled? Are they done right?
Pocket movement? Does he climb the pocket under pressure? Can he move laterally in both directions smoothly and under control while keeping his eyes down field?
Eye discipline? Does he stare down receivers? Does he move DB's with his eyes and pump fakes? Under pressure does he keep his eyes downfield?
Footwork: Drops, set up, balance, shoulder position, weight shift, ability to escape, ability to move in either direction, running ability.
Arm: arm slot, delivery, release, spin, ability to throw accurately on the run in both directions.
Arm: strength to all levels on the field, velocity.
Arm: accuracy to all levels, touch, ball placement(especially on screens and plays designed for run after catch), throw guys open.
Pocket presence: ability to handle pressure, hold ball, deliver pass, take hit, sense pressure, internal clock, extend plays.
Decision making: post-snap reads, knowing where to go and when, when to throw the pass away, know favorable match ups, when to take chances and not take chances. ability to go to second and third reads, (this could go on and on.)
Leader: how does he control the huddle? how does he interact with players and coaches, how do they respond to him, (this a visual observation)(not from locker room).
Just some thoughts. I am sure other things will come to mind. Not talking about winning and losing. Not talking about competition. Just what can he do.
Timing comes with reps on offense and working with receivers over time.
So much goes into the position. That's why they get the big money.
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Wentz does these things. Over time with dedication, practice, and game reps I believe consistency will come.
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Thanks for telling us you like Wentz. I had no idea that you did. I mean........you certainly haven't mentioned it before.
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No problem.
Thought it may be interesting to know what I look at when looking at all quarterbacks.
Of course you never repeat how all these quarterbacks suck.
There are criterion for all positions.
Maybe you could reveal why someone else is so good and why they should be taken before a quarterback at in the number two slot.
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I have tried to talk about other positions and players w/you, but you aren't interested. It's QBs 24/7 w/you.
We used to have some great draft discussions. Do you remember the year when we ended up taking TRich and Weeden and all the excellent debates we had leading up to that draft. What happened to that guy?
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I hear you. This year I have not even looked at any other positions.
If there was killer pass rusher I would have. Or a Calvin Johnson receiver. Or an Adrian Peterson. Even a guy like Khalil Mack.
It's just that the quarterback position for the Browns has been so damn depressing. And now they have chance with the second pick to get a guy.
At first I was not to big on my first pass through the quarterbacks which was Cook, then Goff, and then Lynch.
I was lukewarm. I liked some things but overall was underwhelmed. Then I started scouting Wentz. The more I looked I started to think wow maybe we got something here.
The thought of having a real quarterback is enticing to me. Actually it is the only thing that is keeping me sane about the Browns. I was over the cliff with the team.
Hue Jackson and the staff along with Wentz is a ray of hope.
Maybe from here on I will get into other players and positions. God knows we need them. Pick 32 and the rest hopefully the Browns can find some answers.
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No problem.
Of course you never repeat how all these quarterbacks suck.
Sorry that was prolly me...I don't like any of them. I think push come to shove, I would take Lynch but not in the first round...maybe OT, or DT...at #2 overall...I am starting to fall off the Bosa wagon
I bet you're wondering the samething I did, why O' why didn't I take the...blue pill
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Well............those were really good conversations that you and I..........and others....had that year. I remember how I was totally against TRich and wanted to trade down. Man, that was such a good draft and we blew it. I also remember how you and I were huge on Luck when he was a freshman.
I hope you get around to looking at some of these other guys. You make a lot of good points when you study guys.
Oh........and I am NOT saying any of those QBs suck. Not at all. I think there are probably 4 guys who have the talent to be good. I just think that all have question marks that kinda scare me. Again.........I do NOT think they suck!
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Vers I agree all these qb's have ? marks but most have the basics to be good with time and proper coaching. I feel we now have coaches that can teach these qb's what they need to know case in point HJ. The physical tools seem to be there it's how they are taught and how much time they need to learn. With Josh McCown we have a qb who plays decent enough to give a new guy the time he will need.
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Pro Football Focus QB analysis
Our positional rankings kick off with a look at the quarterbacks — perhaps one of the deepest positions in the draft. While the QBs at the top end of the range are not flawless, there are both starters and developmental backups to be found in this draft class. It’s an intriguing group at the bottom range as many of the QBs came into the season with previous warts or little hype, yet they developed just enough in 2015 to possibly warrant a late-round flier.
The NFL has an exclusive club of backup quarterbacks bouncing around the league, but this class may shake things up a bit as there are a number of players who appear best-suited to sit for a few years with hopes of developing into a starter down the road.
Here are the top quarterbacks in the 2016 draft class:
Round 1
Jared Goff, Cal
There’s a lot to like about Goff’s game, from his pocket presence to his game-changing throws under pressure, to his ability to elevate an overmatched Cal team in the Pac-12. He posted the top grade among all quarterbacks in 2015 after ranking eighth in 2014, showing well whether pressured or facing the blitz. He can throw his receivers open with anticipation and creativity, and he’s fearless in making these throws even when getting hit. Goff’s short area accuracy could stand to improve, and his decision-making was questionable at times in 2015, but his overall body of work and three-year progression at Cal are too much to pass up for a QB-needy team at the top of the draft.
Carson Wentz, North Dakota State
One of the biggest stories of the draft, Wentz ticks all of the boxes in the “looks-the-part” department. He’s much more than that though, as we’ve done an initial grading of his 2015 and there’s plenty to like on film as well. His arm strength jumps out as a positive, and he often needs it as his timing in the passing game is not always up to par. His deep comebacks are a thing of beauty, and his entire skillset screams “vertical passing offense.” If put into that type of scheme, Wentz looks like a quarterback that can win a game by pushing the ball down the field, but at this point, he can also lose it for you with questionable decision-making. He has better touch than other quarterbacks that possess his type of arm, though his accuracy wanes at times when using the change up. Wentz’s athleticism is icing on the cake, and it should be an effective tool at the next level. Wentz’s upside is immense, and he’s best-suited to sit and learn before seeing the field, and that proposition will play an important role in his development. There’s some inherent risk with banking on upside, but the combination of current on-field play and the physical skillset may be too much to pass up.
Rounds 2-3
Paxton Lynch, Memphis
The first thing to note about Lynch is his development from two-star high school recruit to NFL prospect as he’s done an impressive job of improving every year since entering college. His +30.5 overall grade ranked seventh in the nation in 2015 as he did a fine job of taking care of the football while flashing the big-time throws you’d like to see from a future NFL quarterback. He’s athletic for 6-foot-7, throwing well on the move (a huge part of Memphis’ offense) and moving the chains as a runner both in the designed game and as a scrambler. The athleticism isn’t a game-changer at the next level, but it certainly won’t hurt. There are some accuracy concerns, particularly at the intermediate level outside the numbers where Lynch posted one of the worst accuracy percentages in the nation. Lynch only averaged 7.9 yards per target — one of the lowest numbers in the nation — so while he has the arm to challenge the intermediate and deep level of the field, he was only asked to do so sparingly at Memphis. He only attempted three passes beyond 40 yards on the season, two of them were well-placed post routes that showed Lynch’s potential. Quarterback stock will always be inflated on draft day, and while Lynch feels more like a second-round prospect, we wouldn’t frown upon his name being called in the first.
Bolded a couple things that stood out to me. I think Goff is the 1st QB taken this draft, but I think Wentz is a great fit for Hue.
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i think if we are going to be forced to take a qb at 2, i don't think any are clear cut top picks, but I think of the pool, Goff and Wentz are the two I'd want. The thing is you start them right away and start coaching them. Not this waiting BS and then when they play they suck and we wasted more years. I'd lean more towards Goff just based on the competition level, and it couldn't hurt to have him in efforts to resign Mack.
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I guess the Wentz thread is closed so I am putting this here.
This is a very in depth interview with Carson Wentz's coach at ND State. It is a little long but very revealing:
http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/2016-...-podcast-021816
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i think if we are going to be forced to take a qb at 2, i don't think any are clear cut top picks, but I think of the pool, Goff and Wentz are the two I'd want. The thing is you start them right away and start coaching them. Not this waiting BS and then when they play they suck and we wasted more years. I'd lean more towards Goff just based on the competition level, and it couldn't hurt to have him in efforts to resign Mack. To me, these sections contradict each other. There is no "clear cut top pick" because none are NFL ready, but then if we pick them you insist "start them right away." I agree, in a perfect world you shouldn't be drafting any of these QB's that high because they aren't immediate impact players. But this isn't a perfect world. If they want Goff or Wentz, they will have to draft them at #2. But if they aren't NFL ready, then don't start them until they are.
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With Josh we do have the luxury( if you want to call it that) of letting any QB we take sit and learn. He is good enough to get this team some wins as he proved last year. Josh was not the problem. He knows how to play QB and is willing to help teach a new guy as he has stated. Personally, I think we are lucky to have him as that "bridge" QB.
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Yes there is the luxury of letting a guy sit. Josh is a great mentor and is certainly capable to play quarterback as needed.
Reminds me of when Gary Danielson mentored Bernie.
It may very well play out the same way.
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i think if we are going to be forced to take a qb at 2, i don't think any are clear cut top picks, but I think of the pool, Goff and Wentz are the two I'd want. The thing is you start them right away and start coaching them. Not this waiting BS and then when they play they suck and we wasted more years. I'd lean more towards Goff just based on the competition level, and it couldn't hurt to have him in efforts to resign Mack. To me, these sections contradict each other. There is no "clear cut top pick" because none are NFL ready, but then if we pick them you insist "start them right away." I agree, in a perfect world you shouldn't be drafting any of these QB's that high because they aren't immediate impact players. But this isn't a perfect world. If they want Goff or Wentz, they will have to draft them at #2. But if they aren't NFL ready, then don't start them until they are. they don't contradict in the spirit of the post, I merely am stating that we seem desperate for a QB and they aren't going to take their chances below #2, but at the same time, you should play them right away to see what you have, then you're not sitting there 2-3 years down the road with marginal QB play when you can be drafting your franchise QB. This is a passing league and the Qb's are protected more than ever, the days of having QB's sit are gone.
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I love what you chose to bold. Freaking hilarious.
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I love what you chose to bold. Freaking hilarious. I included the Wentz "can lose it for you," too. The Lynch stats were new info for me. What do you want me to do? Not post anything, ever? I've definitely considered it with your delightful posts a large factor on the why bother side.
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Not post anything, ever? I've definitely considered it ... Ah, you just can't help not posting. Just like the rest of us...
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the days of having QB's sit are gone. We disagree on this. I posted in another thread that most major college programs red-shirt their QBs to (among other reasons) let them adjust to the differences between HS and college FB. The differences between CFB and the NFL is even greater. People learn differently and at different paces. Some players can make the adjustment quickly, others need more time. There is no "1 size fits all" approach. Some things can only be learned by playing, but there is plenty that can be learned by sitting and watching. As others have pointed out, there are risks to starting QBs before they're ready; learning bad habits, critical loss of self confidence, and of course injury. If a guy is ready from day 1, great, play him. If he's not, and I think most aren't, it's better to let him sit and learn. And there is nothing that says he can't be inserted as the starter if he's ready for game 2, or 6, or ...
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Jared Goff started as a true freshman. This means he can definitely start as a first year NFL QB.
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Jared Goff started as a true freshman. This means he can definitely start as a first year NFL QB. I flew a kite at the age of 6 therefore I can definitely fly a 747 the first time I get in the cockpit.
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Same way as Bard's posts and TL's posts need their own brand of decoder... you should start with the premise that there is some level of sarcasm in rs' posts.
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Jared Goff started as a true freshman. This means he can definitely start as a first year NFL QB. That argument is logically flawed.
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Jared Goff started as a true freshman. This means he can definitely start as a first year NFL QB. That argument is logically flawed. If Jared Goff isn't as good as Aaron Rodgers as a rookie, then I will be shocked. They both went to Cal.
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me too, I think he'll have better than a 39.8 passer rating.
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me too, I think he'll have better than a 39.8 passer rating. Shhhhh.
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Jared Goff started as a true freshman. This means he can definitely start as a first year NFL QB. That argument is logically flawed. If Jared Goff isn't as good as Aaron Rodgers as a rookie, then I will be shocked. Fair enough. Though, IIRC Aaron Rodger's rookie season isn't setting the bar all that high. But I get what you're saying. So did Kyle Boller. Drew Henson and Chad Henne both went to UM but don't compare to Brady.
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I agree. This is a year where we should look to the "extra" we get from FA vets and our own to assist coaching up the rooks.
We need a level of play above what we had last season. We seemed clueless and indifferent, and also stoopid sometimes. I like Wentz. Why turde if you are looking for The Man?
I am saying get a skilled athlete and cut McCown and the coaches loose. Chances are he plays this season. And get him some serious weapons. Handed our QBs a quiver, no arrows last year, until Barnidge emerged; Hartline didn't get enough targets IMO.
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Question?...Should the Browns be concerned about the Titans trading out of the #1 slot, allowing another team to draft a player the Browns might be targeting?..such as, maybe a QB?
It looks like the Titans could trade back a few slots and still get the OT they want?
Which team might want to move up to the #1 slot?...maybe SF, with new HC Chip Kelly.
Or do the Browns simply ignore all the possibilities and stay put?
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If we're truly going shopping for a QB we should be offering New Orleans a nice trade for Drew B.
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Trading up in general and especially to number one is not something most teams are interested in doing.
The cost is in most cases prohibitive.
If there is a scenario where you have a generational type player and heavy need and the move up is within reach then maybe.
I do not see that in this draft.
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We should make it clear if our QB is gone...we are taking the OT. Then see if they make the trade? Hey worth the bluff ???
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There's not a lot out there on who the FO or HJ likes.
But I would say if the Titans called and said that so & so wants to move up for a QB, then I say fine trade away and take whoever is left. I hope we go D myself, Ramsey seems to be to most gifted out of the top 5.
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On another note, that got me thinking, what would you give up to trade with the Titans? If they called and said that someone wants Wentz, well take a 2nd to switch with ya, or maybe a 3rd rd. Would you do it? or would you just take Goff or whoever was left over? I don't know who the QB is that we like, might not be any, but I was just wondering what would you give up if anything to flip flop with them?
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We should make it clear if our QB is gone...we are taking the OT. Then see if they make the trade? Hey worth the bluff ???
jmho - one thing we do know Mac...is that you never know!
You are right about not knowing how the draft will shake out.
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And it wouldn't hurt if we actually drafted Tunsil.
That said, the Titans have a high pick QB who took a pounding because of a weak line. We don't need to float we are taking Tunsil. Simply float we have talked to a couple of teams who are interested in our pick if Tunsil falls, and I am sure there really will.
Either way, I don't give up squat to move up. If QB is what we indeed plan to draft at #2 and he is taken, go to plan B. It's not like any of these QBs is a whole lot differnt then the other guy. It's not like we can't get a impact player, and at that point, it would make the choice of trading down a serious option.
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I would take Ramsey or Jack and not look back
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I think the Browns should either take Bosa at number 2 or trade down and try and get three picks before in the first 32. I really don't think any team is going to be stupid enough to make that trade w/us, but hey, maybe they see what you guys see. 
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