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I was raised Lutheran also...my sons was also confirmed into a Lutheran church...now none of us are involved with the church...I donate to some that I attended in my youth but even that has basically stopped.

My views have changed drastically since I was young on religion in general...my wife is pretty religious so there is balance I guess.

If you like Trump, this isn't something to be excited about. Trump, while he has a fervent base, still has a limited base. He arouses racists/nationalists, morons, and folks so fed up and desperate that they'll latch onto anything that prescribes itself as a hero that "says what they're thinking'.

This has always been the knock on Trump. And it puts his ceiling at roughly 30-35% of the Republican electorate. Which would indicate a massacre against him if he became the nominee. He has yet to indicate that he can break that 30-35% barrier, and the more consolidated the race, the worse his chances. He needs a wide field to win the nomination.

But he's moving his campaign like he already believes the has the nomination locked. That's why he's returning to earlier calls for a single-payer, socialized health care system and notions that Bush lied to get us into Iraq.

He's doing astonishing well in many regards, but it's tough to win a general on racists, morons, and the desperate alone.

Umm...ok. All Ive heard is Trump is done now..Trump will get whooped now...Trump has no chance...All Trump has is low info voters...and add in your words.. but it's tough to win a general on racists, morons, and the desperate alone.


I dont consider myself any of the above and neither are the people I associate with who are voting for him...but by all means keep calling his support racists, morons, and desperate...and I hope he takes it all the way to the White House.

We shall see where it all shakes out when people start dropping out...he isnt there...I dont care..and will have to figure out if I'll vote for the Rep. candidate.

Clem talked you up and asked where you was at for these political threads...well if all you got is insults for Trumps supporters..well I guess this racist moron has nothing to discuss..dont wont to seem desperate in my support for the first person to be successful so far in giving the GOPe the middle finger

Low info voters give me a break...and just out of sheer curiosity..who should I support Jack?

And all you've heard still remains true. He has an extremely high unfavorable rating. That hasn't shifted much since he declared last summer. Usually when one begins a sentence with "All I've heard...", the intent of the sentence is to show that the naysayers have been wrong again and again. But the prevalent nay-says against Trump have remained constant. He's wildly unpopular, outside of a fervent base.



He won't. Precisely because of the fact that his demographic is limited to those categories.

He's a populist cipher. He has no principled stands, nothing intelligent to say. He'll say whatever brings applause. That's who he is.




There's a saying from the movie "Rounders"...to paraphrase..."if you're at the poker table, and you can't spot the sucker right away, you're the sucker". Maybe you're not a racist moron, you're just a dude who got duped by Trump's cult of personality. Hey, it happens.

But there's no rational or intelligent argument for Trump. He's a carnival barker that appeals to impulses.



Whoever you want.

But a Trump voter is a sucker.

Yeah thats what I figured you say...I'll be a sucker and thanks for your such insightful input Jack

We have no more to discuss...put your choice out there...hell since I'm low info voter..help me out and give me some guidance to where I should put my support Jack...I'll listen to you I promise

Can you name one single coherent policy issue that Donald Trump has outlined?

The answer is no. And that's all you need to know. I'm in no position to tell you who you should support or vote for.

But the candidate that you tout is so laughably hollow and without merit that if you choose to wear his button on your lapel, you deserve all of the mockery and scorn that comes with supporting such a clown.

I'm no Trump supporter but it seems to me he laid out the perfect plan for getting the American Dream back. Not sure what you're looking for?

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such beautiful words.

He says stuff like that all the time, and yet, he's the leading republican polls almost everywhere.. Someone explain that to me please......LOL

Is that from the Bible?

Me, too, Daman... I'm a registered democrat and will vote against party lines if I agree with the other side's policies. I considered voting for McCain until he chose Palin as his VP. How Trump continues to grow support and not have one feasible policy to present is darn near incomprehensible....

Immigration...
Trump stands for putting a halt to Muslim immigration until such time as we figure out which ones we are at war with and those we are not.

Trump calls for closing our borders so we can organize and know those we are letting in. Deport the criminal (illegal) immigrants and those only here for the handouts and have the good (illegal) immigrants properly apply for legal reentry.

You only asked for one example so I will stop here.

I hear ya. I just don't get it. He throws out some sound bites, never outlines anything of substance (not that I would believe him if he did) then insults women, blacks and anyone else that seems to hit his fancy on any particular day.

I'd be shocked if we weren't the laughstock of the world over the candidates we have to chose from.

I still like Rubio, but he's young. needs more seasoning. Kasich wouldn't be bad either, but neither has a chance in hell of getting elected.

On the Dem side, I can't ever vote for Hillary.. Just can't happen.

I actually like Bernie Sanders but his plan won't ever work. He's like everybodys crazy uncle. we all have one, we all like him but damn, we don't call him crazy for nothing LOL

I like his stance on stopping corporate america from Buying elections. And his take on healthcare is way better than Obamas. Much more needs fleshed out.

But still, I can't vote for him either.

I got nobody that will be there at the end that I like.

the muslim immigration proposal is illegal as all hell, we've been over this.

name something that will actually work.

FBH, please continue to think for yourself. I admire your convictions.

Any time another individual tells someone that what they say is "all you need to know", I laugh. That type of commentary represents a small minded individual attempting to sway another's view/opinion.

Keep on keeping on dawg brother. You do a fine job!!!

You just gotta understand Jack, he is smart and he is hard headed. His hammer is mighty but he is often standing on sand.

You have to dig thru the rocks to find his message and it is often a fair view.

Thanks for that...I listen to people believe me...I take what they say and digest it. There are people on this board who have made me think about a position on a topic and make me go...yeah that makes sense and accept it.

What I cant do is accept someone who calls people racist, uninformed or any other adjective and expects me to blindly follow. ..wont happen and I'll just be the "sucker" fine with me.

Is Trump perfect?? man not even close. I didnt even like the guy at first...but the more I listened the more I liked...the only thing that gives me pause?? Is Donald going to follow through and stick to what he says he wants to do?? if he makes it to the White house...guess I'll find out.

Thanks again Cjrae I'm not scared to go against a non popular opinion no matter where the discussion is taking place.

Me either except for one...and if he doesnt get the nod to run.. well...I'll find myself in a precarious situation, cause I'll never vote for Hillary or Bern and well I'm so sick of the Republican party Id have a hard time voting for Rubio or Cruz.

You believe that rounding up and deporting every illegal immigrant, and building a wall that Mexico will pay for is a coherent policy position? Seriously?

If I told you that my solution for our economic woes would be free college for everyone, and that after graduation, every citizen would be granted a $100,000 a year job that China would subsidize, would you consider that a coherent policy position?

If FB challenged me to come up with even one Jack Tripper policy, I could state the one you just mentioned. It is a policy. We don't have to agree with it, we just need to understand where the guy stands on issues.

I am not voting for Trump (yet) because I have some of the same concerns as you do but he certainly has issued policy and showed us his stand on things like dealing with China, economically, and his stand on the Second Amendment is right up my alley.

As far as rounding up people, do you think it is impossible to come up with a way of doing that? If he has a plan, he is wise to keep the details to himself until he is facing the Democrats.

I asked for one coherent policy position. Coherent means "logical and consistent". Trump's immigration policy lacks the former.



His policy on dealing with China? The one that consists of threatening to enter into trade wars with them, and forcing them to topple the North Korean regime against their wishes? You find that to be sensible?

I think the wall is a little goofy...but not putting National Guard or combination of the Armed Forces watching over the border...in conjunction with the government agencies already in charge of doing so.

And yes, deport every last illegal...I feel bad for the kids but their parents broke the law and unfortunately you will have to pay for it.

No different if my parents broke the law and got sent to prison or such...and was left to my own or family. Take your behinds back where they come from and do it the legal way.

I'm not saying the system doesnt need reworked but Id be pissed if I was a immigrant who did it the right way and they let all the law breakers get by with a slap on the wrist.

I'm trying to figure out why people believe his china nonsense? yes, the chinese economic position is a problem.

but i'm not gonna believe a word the guy says about dealing with a problem, seeing as his freaking clothing line is produced in china.

maybe he should lead by example, instead of running his mouth while being a hypocrite all at once.

Yeah the trade agreements we have with China is so great...and I'm not for toppling anybody that is not a direct threat. And he will see what he will or not be able to do once in office...Trump that is.

It is all right there in "The Art of the Deal". This guy has negotiated his way into having more money than God. He has built skyscrapers in places where the law said you can't, he negotiated a change in the law! Wherever he faced the "You can't do that attitude", he took it as a challenge and made it a "Can Do!" You seriously believe he can't negotiate these things? I think if you knew him better you wouldn't be so quick to poo poo what he is saying.

The trade deals with China aren't great because they have leverage in the fact that we owe them so much money and our economy is dependent on them. Trump's positions on China range from completely incoherent to absolutely laughable.

I'm not saying youre wrong...but if that is how he can make the most money and its the way the current system is set up..then doesnt that just back up what he is saying that sh** needs fixed??

Hypocrite? maybe...smart business..to me it is.

Well Jack China is dependent on us also as much so as we need them...and their economy/currency is in deep crap also.

Are you behind Trump's threats to start a trade war with them? Do you think that will work out for us?

I don't think his support is growing; he seems to have reached his ceiling at 30-35% of Republicans. I think he'd lose in a two person race to Rubio, Cruz, or Kasich. Unfortunately (IMO), he'll probably continue to gather delegates by winning with a plurality of primary voters, unless or until the field is winnowed down to two. And by then it might be too late.

Thats what happened for me 40...I dont agree with all he says but I believe without a doubt he can make the economy great.

why is it that other businesses have no problem making great profits in america, while others want to move overseas for more profit?

don't fool yourself, the only reason to move overseas is to maximize profits and cheaper labor. it's a purely greed standpoint.

and as far as trump goes, sure, it's smart, maximize profits, minimize cost. that's business 101.

just don't cry about china while doing business with the chinese. are you gonna sit there and tell me he couldn't make a profit producing his goods here in america?

the guy is a massive hypocrite. defend him all you want, but if he was serious about his criticism of china, he'd move his clothing like back to america.

until that happens, he's full of crap.

I can agree with that...we shall see and thats why I want the lower hanging people to bow out...lets see what people will do.

And you're basing this on what, exactly?

I agreed with most...but his prpose is to maximize...so in that text its smart...he has also done things in the US also so he is doing both...now if his sole money making and business was done there in China I would agree 100% Swish.

Do you think he, or ANY president, would get that through?


Do you think Bernie, or any president, can do that?


Here's a little clue on how presidents work: To get elected, they need a lot of money. To get that money, they'll do or say whatever the donors want to hear.

If they get elected - IF, about 5% of their promises happen.

It has to go through congress.

Our presidential elections are nothing but a dog and pony show. Sound bites rule the day. Policy is nothing, as a candidate will change policy at the drop of a hat if they think votes will come their way by changing.

Congressional elections are the same. We no longer have an elected gov't. that works for us. No, we have an elected gov't. that will do or say whatever they feel necessary in order to get money, and votes. Money and votes (getting elected) lead to more money and votes.

Our system is screwed from top to bottom.

Probably for reasons that are opposite to why you think he cant...I dont have the time to back my point maybe later...I have a house to unpack..

Have a great day to most of you guys..

We need term limits. It was never supposed to be a career.

Dave is right here. Trump will end up losing if he doesn't have a change in strategy now. This is something he and his people need to address right now or he is a goner by the end.

you also said he was gonna lose SC

just stop making predictions bro