DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2016 NFL Season 2016 NFL Draft Jared Goff excited about possibility of Browns drafting him at No. 2

There sure are. Not sure why they would be discussed in a Jared Goff thread though.

At #4 they will still have their choosing of the top defensive players.

Goff will be a Brown, unless we trade back to mid teens, which I dont think we will be doing..

I dont mind getting more picks for dropping a few spots... going to 3,4,5, Goff will still be there. Most likely Wentz too.

Goff saying that speaks to his maturity. If we're being honest, going to the Browns would probably HAVE to terrify just about anybody, right? But he said nothing like that. He casually shrugged off the potentially dangerous question, and made it a non-issue. I've said it before, but I'd be happy with either Goff or Wentz (assuming our talent gurus give them both the thumbs up). I don't see us trading down, so if we like the two QB's (or Lynch), then we're going to get one.

It is my hope that when we draft our next QB we finally have a coaching staff that has enough brains on how to develop him and take care of him so he doesn't get beat up and thrown to the wolves like our previous young QB's. I feel in Hue Jackson we do have a guy that is smart enough and knows how things should be done. As always with my Browns I hope for the best and support our new people.

Agree with ya Homewood.

I think too much is made about starting right away vs sitting a year. I think either can work if the Qb has talent.

I think a more important issue is developing them. Don't throw a whole playbook at them in training camp and expect them to be proficient by the start of the season.

When Big Ben and Brady took over as rookies, they were given a half field to read. If it wasn't there then throw it away. Then as they developed the basics of NFL concepts and established a sound foundation then their responsibilities get expanded.

Brady was in his 2nd year.

Goff has been asked the question. His reply is consistent. Even though I don't believe he'd be happy if drafted by the Brown's. Who would?

I was just thinking about this for a moment from looking at just the title of the thread. Is he excited about the Browns, or is he excited about the money a NUMBER 2 pick gets? LOL

Heh, who knew? Apparently not me. Thanks for catching that faux pau.

The rest of my point stands.

Then add..

Put some talent around them quickly to block, run and catch..

Don't change OCs every year for their first 2 or 3 years so they can learn a system...

Don't boo them and call for them to be replaced after their 2nd bad game...

Now we're talking

if he's excited about us drafting him... I don't want him.

I want the guy that doesn't want to play for us... those guys have all succeeded.


the ones that want to play for us... are horrid.

I hope we go BPA at #2 and that should easily eliminate all the qb's.

I liked Goff and I wouldn't say it's an absolute deal breaker but it certainly is a negative against him... and it's not just the fumbles, it's also the ability to grip the ball when it's cold (and wet) and rumor has it, we play a few of those games every year...

I had Goff at #1 with Wentz closing in on him.. this might put Wentz ahead for me.. now I just have to figure out whether Wentz at #2 is something I would do...

I don't think the small hands thing is a big deal. The gloves they have out now are pretty amazing to grip the football with. He would have to get used to playing with them on if he needed them though. Not a deal breaker in my opinion. It might be a signal from Hue, or it might be a smokescreen.

Goff is talented enough to overcome his average hand size.

So,in essence,you're saying it's not the meat it's the motion.

I'm saying that Jared Goff is going to be the best QB of all time.

Mike Vick had small hands, and he seemed to have no problem hurling the ball on us in that 2003-04 final regular season game. He was accurate and throwing that thing with heat.


I would like Hue to do some things to put him in these situations in a private workout though. Put the ball in a freezer (make sure it's inflated how he wants it though) and then dunk it in a bucket of water. Then have him throw it. Maybe make him put ice on his hands as well.


Also, why not test him out with a glove on?



I'm sure our analytics crew will delve into this topic. Thing like how he faired in wet games vs dry games. Then how QBs with larger hands did in these different scenarios. It's hard to see about the cold ones with Goff because he is a west coast guy.

What I wonder is what the difference is really between 1/2 an inch? I mean is 9 vs 10 that big of a difference? I checked today and I come in at 9 inches (8 15/16s really) and my wife is 8 inches. We put our hands up against each other and mine seem significantly bigger. I can throw a football better than her too..... lol



What I do agree on is that Hue's comments on this subject mean nothing. I don't think we will know which QB he prefers unless we are the team that picks a QB first....... The last thing we want is someone jumping to #1 on us if we want a QB (and even worse, them taking the one that we want most)

Just tell Goff to wear gloves like Bridgewater does. Warner and Manning did too.

JC: I started doing research on the difference between NFL and College Footballs and found this very interesting. This is a Reddit Posting, with Matt Barkley (verified account). I have time at work this morning, so it's either watching Star Trek or learning about footballs and hand sizes, lol

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/34x6tb/question_is_it_a_difficult_transition_for_a/

Sounds like the NFL ball is easier to throw in crappy weather than the college ball. So that's a plus. Also, there's a lot of stuff teams do with the balls to help you grip them better.

So it's not like me with 9 inch hands out throwing the football with my buddy in High School (his father came out and threw the football with us when we were 14, and decided we were using the wrong ball, so he drove us to sports authority and bought the 80$ NFL one. "We needed the real thing", lol)

I would think that with 9 1/4 inch hands, Aaron Rodgers can throw the heck out of the football in the cold weather. And he likes the football very inflated. A less inflated ball, with 9 inch hands shouldn't be that much different I'd think..........

Just looked up some other guys. Brady, Palmer, Brees, Rivers, Stafford and Ben have all worn gloves at some point.

Ben does to avoid leaving fingerprints.

I don't know if that's a lot or not. Keep in mind, he started 37 games in college.. I also don't know if a botched snap counts as a fumble on him, etc..

What would concern me is that his INT numbers and his fumble numbers were both up in his senior year compared to his junior year... I don't watch much Cal football, did they have OL issues this year?

Good luck to anyone who proves that any QB consistently fumbles because his hands are small.

My guess is that Goff fumbled as much as he did (23 is a lot of fumbles) because he was playing behind a terrible offensive line and was pressured quite a bit. Goff only had four fumbles in 2014.

http://espn.go.com/blog/ncfnation/post/_...-under-pressure

Also, this is a great interview with the former Cal offensive coordinator:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/26068...g-qb-jared-goff

His fumbles numbers were not up. He only had four in 2015.

What about the fumbles that nothing to do with his hand size? Like this one:

Carson Wentz - three fumbles in seven games in 2015
Jared Goff - four fumbles in thirteen games in 2015

Also, does the number of dropbacks a QB has make it more likely to fumble or less likely? Which QB passes more?

This is a non-issue.

My problem with Goff is he has some amazing throws, but then he has some god-awful, what in the world was he thinking throws.

I also question his ability to put on weight. He's said that he's put on 10 pounds every year since high school, but where is that weight going? I don't see it in his arms or legs. His appendages look like a high schooler. Maybe I'm spoiled by seeing Mick Mariotti's results, but I don't see any definition on him. I wonder if he just has one of those body types that can't add weight to his limbs.

How many "dropbacks" did Goff have period? Did he play under center at all?

I know at least one of Wentz' fumbles was a read option mesh issue.

I think comparing the two QBs' stats is pretty meaningless as far as fumbles.

Can Goff sell a pump fake with his smaller hands? Can he handle a wet/cold ball? Can he rely on his arm to make a throw when he can't tie his whole body together?

Hopefully our front office and coaching staff will figure these things out.

There are QBs with similar size hands and body type that do fine.