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Sashi Brown says Jackson will have big say in evaluation of QBs.

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JMHO, Wertz better pick than Goff.....SIZE matters, in every situation...poster who said he needs the 480 bridge if hand size matters...go jump off the bridge...Hue J stated at combine hand size matters...cold, wet, wind etc.....size matters...Little Johnny had good size hand, BUT he's small, he got hurt BOTH seasons he was out there....yes, they ALL do, but I want a BIG GUY with talent over a smaller guy with talent....GO Browns!!!! I'm on thw Wertz bandwagon!!!!

Hue probably sees Flacco in Lynch.

That paints an ugly mental picture.

Pit, that's just wrong. Funny, but wrong.

Has he really?

He said we are going to get a QB. At no point has anyone said, besides those speculating, that we are GOING to select a QB at #2..

EVEN IF WE WERE.. Why the heck would we outright just say that?

Lazy reporting, as usual..

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2016/02/browns_hue_jackson_well_come_o.html

"We will come out of this draft with a quarterback, I guarantee you that,'' he said at the NFL Combine Wednesday. "Now where it's going to be, everybody wants me to say it's the second pick. Well, it could be, it could not be. I think what we have to do is feel good about where we are in the process of evaluating the guys that are here and then going from there and making the decision what's best for us.''

The key word is interest. If it said, "Cleveland Browns head coach Hue Jackson has made it clear that the team will be selecting a quarterback with the No. 2 overall pick in the 2016 NFL Draft," that would be different.

I suppose that part of the quote could be interpreted differently by different people?????

LOL..........good post. You are a smart guy at times.

Its like the phone game..

One article says "Jackson has interest in QB at 2"

The next one says "Sources say Jackson wants a QB at 2"

The following article is about WHICH QB we are definitely interested in at 2.

I am smart all the time. Sometimes I just choose to convey my message in a way that is perceived as not smart.

I do appreciate your sarcasm on some other posts. I loved the Rodgers/Goff rookie comparison.

My two favorites were the grammatical joke and when to draft a WR. I don't think too many people got them, especially the grammar joke. Too bad, because both were funny.

2016 NFL Draft: Jared Goff, Carson Wentz top quarterback class

By Bucky Brooks
NFL Media analyst
Published: Feb. 22, 2016


As we head into the 2016 NFL Scouting Combine, Bucky Brooks is ranking the top prospects at key positions. Today's focus: quarterbacks.

1) Jared Goff, Cal

Pro comparison: Matt Ryan.

Strengths: Polished pocket passer with strong fundamentals and a high football IQ. Goff plays the position like a cagey veteran despite entering the draft after his true junior season. While some scoff at the notion of playing like a "game manager," Goff embraced the efficient approach from the pocket to rack up gaudy numbers as the director of Cal's "Bear Raid" offense. He quickly works through his progressions to get to the second or third option, which allows him to exploit the vulnerable areas of coverage. In addition, Goff will take the swing or checkdown to the running back to prevent opponents from blanketing downfield receivers. From an arm-strength standpoint, Goff rates at a B+ level, but he makes up for this slight shortcoming with superb timing and anticipation. He has a great feel for throwing receivers open and his precise ball placement makes it tough for opponents to disrupt his rhythm as a playmaker. With Goff also showing poise and composure while executing in big moments (two-minute, third-down, red-zone and blitz situations), the Cal standout looks like a Day 1 starter at the position in the NFL.

Weaknesses: Goff's slender frame and arm talent don't scream franchise player at first glance. Skeptics wonder if the 6-foot-4, 215-pounder can withstand the punishment doled out by NFL defenders. Although he was a model of consistency and durability in college, the Cal standout must convince scouts that his sinewy frame can hold up over the course of a pro campaign. From an arm-talent standpoint, few scouts question if Goff can make all of the throws, but the jury is still out on whether his "soft" ball can cut through the wind or inclement weather. Thus, Goff must exhibit enough zip and velocity in drills at Indianapolis and his pro day to put the issue to bed. If he shines as a passer in ideal conditions at the combine, it is hard to imagine the polished player losing his grip on the top QB spot in this class.

Team fits: Cleveland Browns, Dallas Cowboys, San Francisco 49ers, Philadelphia Eagles.


2) Carson Wentz, North Dakota State

Pro comparison: Cam Newton.

Strengths: Big-bodied quarterback with exceptional arm talent and outstanding movement skills. Wentz is a new-school quarterback capable of killing opponents as a pinpoint pocket passer or as a dual-threat playmaker on the perimeter. Checking in at 6-foot-5, 232 pounds with a rocket arm and nimble feet, Wentz has the talent to blend into any offensive system with ease. He routinely delivers strikes to the boundary (outs and comebacks) from the opposite hash, exhibiting excellent arm strength and velocity on tight-rope throws. Wentz complements his fastball game by displaying a feathery touch on seam passes along the hash or boundary. He routinely drops the ball in between multiple defenders with superb touch and trajectory. As a rusher, Wentz is fearless with the ball in his hands on designed QB runs or zone-read plays. He welcomes contact on the perimeter and doesn't flinch when forced to run between the tackles on quarterback power plays. While QB coaches will cringe at his reckless nature as a runner, Wentz's athleticism and running skills could give a creative offensive coordinator an opportunity to add a dimension to the playbook. Considering Wentz won back-to-back FCS titles while growing into the position -- he didn't start at quarterback for his high school team until senior year -- the Bison star has a chance to be a special player as a pro.

Weaknesses: Scouts have been slow to consider Wentz as a franchise quarterback due to the level of competition he faced in FCS play. Although he certainly didn't appear out of place at the Senior Bowl, the speed and reactions of NFL defenders could surprise him, since he hasn't faced many pro-caliber athletes throughout his career. With Wentz still relatively raw and prone to locking onto his primary receiver, the jump in competition could result in the QB acting as a turnover machine early in his career.

Team fits: Cleveland Browns, Dallas Cowboys, San Francisco 49ers, Los Angeles Rams, Houston Texans.


3) Connor Cook, Michigan State

Pro comparison: Carson Palmer.

Strengths: Old-school quarterback with a workmanlike game and winning pedigree. Cook is a gifted game manager capable of taking his game up a notch when needed. He capably makes tight-rope throws to receivers at every level, but also shows the ability to change ball speed and trajectory on touch throws. Cook's arm talent rates at a B+ level, but there are few instances when his lack of zip shows up on tape. He occasionally rips the ball in between multiple defenders to hit an open receiver in a tight window. As a manager, Cook exhibits a strong situational football IQ. He deftly directs the show in critical moments (two-minute, third-down, red-zone and backed-up situations) and his superb ball security (only 22 career interceptions in 43 games) helped him become the winningest quarterback in Spartan history. With most coaches placing a premium on winning over any other trait or characteristic, Cook should rate highly on most boards.

Weaknesses: For all of Cook's success, there are questions about his leadership skills and prickly personality that prevent some scouts from fully buying into his potential as a franchise signal caller. The three-year starter wasn't elected as a team captain by his teammates -- and the snub leads to concerns about his connection with his team. On the field, Cook's accuracy and ball placement are his biggest flaws. He has never finished a season with a completion percentage about 60, which is kind of the Mendoza line for quarterback play. While the vertical nature of the Spartans' offense prevented Cook from padding his stats with layups (bubble screens and quicks), the number of misfires that show up on film lead to legitimate questions about his accuracy on intermediate and deep throws.

Team fits: Philadelphia Eagles, Houston Texans, Los Angeles Rams, Denver Broncos, Dallas Cowboys.


4) Paxton Lynch, Memphis

Pro comparison: Ryan Tannehill.

Strengths: Ultra-athletic big-bodied passer with rare physical tools. Lynch is an electric dual-threat playmaker capable of delivering explosive plays with his arm or legs. The 6-foot-7, 245-pounder throws the ball to every area of the field with exceptional zip and velocity. He fires fastballs to the boundary from the opposite hash, which suggests he has more than enough arm strength to play at the next level. As a runner, Lynch shows exceptional speed, quickness and power for a man of his size. He routinely runs through contact on the perimeter and flashes the requisite toughness needed to execute designed runs in the red zone. With Lynch also displaying a knack for playing well on the big stage (see: Memphis' win over Ole Miss last October), scouts are intrigued by his developmental potential as a franchise quarterback.

Weaknesses: Lynch's success as a dual-threat playmaker is undeniable, but scouts question whether he can thrive outside of the "pick and stick" system that he directed at Memphis. The Tigers star lived on bubble screens, quicks and "RPOs" (run-pass options), but the quick-rhythm throws don't require the quarterback to make complex reads in the passing game. Thus, he will need plenty of time to acclimate to the pro game and a traditional system that requires him to make full-field or progression reads from the pocket. In addition, Lynch's disappointing play against Auburn in the Birmingham Bowl raised concerns about his ability to thrive against elite competition. While he has enough wins on his résumé to counter that theory, the fact that he struggled mightily against a marginal Auburn defense is certainly troubling for evaluators pegging Lynch as a potential star at the position.

Team fits: San Francisco 49ers, Los Angeles Rams, Houston Texans, New York Jets, Denver Broncos.


5) Christian Hackenberg, Penn State

Pro comparison: Jay Cutler.

Strengths: Classic dropback passer with a strong arm and prototypical physical dimensions. Hackenberg not only looks like the traditional franchise quarterback, but he flashes the talent and potential to play the position at a high level (see: Hackenberg's freshman season, under the tuteledge of Bill O'Brien). The Penn State product capably makes every throw in the book with zip and velocity, exhibiting A+ arm strength on throws at intermediate and deep range. In addition, he is comfortable executing vertical concepts off traditional dropbacks, as well as play action from under center or in the gun. Thus, offensive coordinators with old-school backgrounds will view him as an ideal developmental prospect simply based off his impressive physical tools. With Hackenberg also showcasing strong leadership traits throughout his time at Penn State, teams could rate him higher than most envision on his scattershot production.


Weaknesses: Despite immense physical tools, Hackenberg is one of the draft's biggest enigmas due to his poor accuracy and questionable judgment. He misses the mark too often on routine throws and his errant passes frequently result in turnovers (31 interceptions in 38 games). Hackenberg's ball-placement woes are exacerbated by his questionable poise and composure under duress. He lacks pocket awareness (feel for rushers in close proximity), which has contributed to his ball-security issues (17 fumbles at PSU). Although Penn State's leaky offensive line forced Hackenberg to take a beating in the pocket, there are countless examples of the quarterback failing to get rid of the ball before the pocket begins crumbling. Given how often NFL quarterbacks are forced to play amid chaos, Hackenberg's inconsistent poise, accuracy and judgment could make him a turnover machine at the next level.

Team fits: Houston Texans, Arizona Cardinals, Philadelphia Eagles, Pittsburgh Steelers, San Diego Chargers.


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...arterback-class

I'll go jump off the bridge, but first you gotta tell me who is this Wertz fella you're suddenly fawning over.

Any chance that Connar Cook, the guy whos only talked about negative is not being named team captain, ends up being the best of all of them?

Hell Hackenberg was a "future #1 overall pick" before PSUs Oline gave him PTSD (Probably Taking a Sack Disorder)

Everyone wants to fall in love with one of the "top 3" QBs at #2, and while some have.. tunnel vision like that can lead to ignoring other guys who may be of equal, or possibly better potential..

Okay, that got my attention. Is there anybody that has maybe read Bucky Brooks more than I have who can tell me if he tends toward hyperbole? Because if he's right, Wentz has to be the pick at 2.

Equal or better... No

Not that far off... Yes

Dak Prescott is the guy I want us to draft.

Dak reminds me of a less athletic Tim Tebow with a moderately better throwing motion.

Great leader and competitor, not very good accuracy, not very good footwork. I watched some film after clevesteve mentioned some criticism of him. If the Bama tape is worse than the 3 (the 2015 cutups on draftbreakdown) I watched, I'm not sure I touch him before the 5th.

I did not see the Bama game, but I've seen others and I think this kid can be Steve McNair. His footwork is poor, but his throwing motion is fine in my opinion. He's a project, but so is everybody else.

j/c:

These pro comparisons always kill me. I think there are fits w/certain guys, but I think they are overdone.

I agree. I guess you can compare the measurables to a pro when he came out of college, but lot's of stretch for sure.

I don't understand the argument of Goff vs Wentz.

Goff elevated a bad team. Tossed a ridiculous number of TDs against legit competition. Led a team out of the cellar and back into contention.

Wentz played in a run heavy offense on the best team in double A. He played on a great team with a load of support amongst second rate competition. He's a full on development project.

Teams that HAVE a QB can take on development projects. Not us.

Its gotta be Goff.

PAC 12 defenses stink.

Vs Div 2 ball?

Cal hung 35 on San Diego state that had the 9th ranked D.

No, I didn't say that. But, he probably played w/better talent on offense as well. Right?

I don't want the Browns to draft any QB this year w/the second overall pick.

I was just commenting that Goff's competition [on the defensive side of the ball] was pedestrian, at best.

Did you really drop a San Diego State bomb on me?

Fair nuf Vers...but I'd say its still a head and shoulders better than anything in Div 2.

I'd say comparatively, when you take into account competition, Wentz probably played with better Div 2 players than Goff did with Div 1 players.

ND State is a Div 2 powerhouse....whereas Cal is middle of the road.

Enlighten me on why its wrong.

Well they are Aztec Warriors.

Wrong? I didn't say anything about right vs wrong. I was just kinda flabbergasted because you were dissing Wentz's competition and threw in SD State. Who do they play?

You don't have to answer that. I looked it up.

Again...........I don't want either guy. They can both be good. They can both suck. To me, they are both too risky at number 2. That's all.

Wentz hung 34 on Iowa State in his first collegiate start. He's undefeated against FBS schools.

Who was the best DB Goff faced this year? Who was the best DB Wentz faced?

Deiondre' Hall of UNI is the highest projected one I can find, and it was Wentz that played against him.

Goff went 7-5 in the regular season playing with a bunch of guys who are going to get drafted. One of those wins was Grambling State. Who's play did he elevate?

Wentz won a national championship with perhaps one other guy who's going to get drafted.

Honestly, forget all that. Which one has the better traits? Better Arm-Wentz. Athleticism-Wentz. Build-Wentz. Hand size-Wentz. Accuracy- I like Wentz better watching the tape, but I'll give you it's debatable. Playing under center-Wentz. Work Ethic- Both good.

LOL............you guys are funny.

I'm not saying we have to pick him at 2, but if we're swinging for the fences I go with the potential homerun (Wentz) vs. the ground rule double (Goff). Though at this point I might be happy with consistent singles.

Deiondre Hall is not good. Overrated because of his measurables I think. I watched his cut ups on draft breakdown a couple months ago and was not impressed.

My assessment: The best QB prospect for the Browns?

Cardale Jones, Ohio State, yes Ohio State, so what...

1) No QB worthy of #2 overall
2) Could be taken ideally in round 3 allowing two players to be selected ahead of him who have an excellent chance for early impact. He could be available later but I wouldn't take that chance if its determined that he is the pick.
3) Any of the available QBs will need time to develop. None are ready from week 1. All probably could benefit from sitting for some length of time.
4) Only Goff may be technically ahead of Jones at this time. Jones' measurables exceed Goff significantly. Jones measurables and skills exceed Wentz and Lynch.
5) 2014 CFB Championship pursuit, preparation and performance surpass all the QBs currently rated above him.
6) Even in the "down" season of 2015 Jones' completion percentage was 62.5% with a average/comp. over 13 yards, QB rating of 141.5. In 8 starts and 10 appearances.
7) Jones' has the type of arm strength to play in Cleveland in December or later.
8) Jones has demonstrated the mobility and strength to extend plays with his legs.
9) Jones already possesses the pocket presence and poise to operate from the pocket. He makes completions with pressure in his face.
10) Jones allows Jackson to implement a vertical passing attack that he has used successfully elsewhere if this is the scheme he prefers.
11) Jones demonstrates eye discipline on tape. I infer from this that his ability to read defenses and go through his progressions is underrated.

I like the idea of Jones as a plan B should they decide to draft 2 QBs. IF he can overcome his shortcomings, he could be special, but that is a big if. He reminds me a lot of Logan Thomas and I think he would be a 2-3 year project.