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Why? Does he have issues? I thought Smith was the one who tore his knee up. I would go with Ramsey or Bosa and not look back.

Bosa...

Fingers crossed Tunsil is not taken #1.

I think it might depend on if we re-sign Schwartz or not. Tunsil and Stanley are considered elite tackle prospects. Going that route would give us a RT to replace Schwartz and a potential replacement for Thomas should he retire or get injured in the next 5 years.

Myles Jack is a good choice.

If we can't sign Gipson I could see Ramsey as a choice.

I'd doubt we'd take an OT at #2 for the right side of the field unless they are also planning for when JT leaves.

Honestly if it's not QB, just about any BPA defensive player would keep me pretty happy.

Bosa

If there is not a QB, then the smart move is trying to trade down. But teams don't usually trade up unless they want a QB.

Stay and #2 and pick Jack. Prosper.

This should have been the strategy when we drafted Schwartz as well (This is not me saying that we should have not drafted Schwartz).

I would say that there is no way we should be going Tackle at #2.
None.

Barring a miracle, we will still be picking Top 10 in 2017; we can start thinking about tackle replacements then, or the year after.

Agreed.


Why don't you think we should not have drafted Schwarts? kidding

trade down and acquire more picks. There are some BEASTLY DE's in this years draft.

I would trade down, though I doubt any team is dumb enough to move up for one of these qbs. If we can trade down, I would draft Spence.

If we stay put, I draft Bosa.

Honestly, if we trade up, I'm slapping Sashi with a trout.

Vers, you have forgotten more football than I'll ever know, but man, I want no part of a guy like Spence. I am so sick of these troubled, druggie types. They break your heart, every time.

No way I go offensive line. We have invested enough there. If not a QB, I would take Bosa.

What's that UFO flying in and across with the fish?

Maybe, just maybe, someone might want to pop up to #2 for Bosa. Or if Tenn passes on the OT maybe someone wants to move up for him? Not too likely, but you never know. In the not too distant past, someone traded up to #3 for a RB.

j/c

If it was me, draft DeForest Buckner or Joey Bosa at #2.

Take both Dak Prescott and Cardale Jones later. I wonder if you can get in the 3rd and 4th.

I don't get the Dak Prescott love. Which QB tools/skills are you all liking? I thought the Tebow experiment proved that leadership and competitiveness weren't enough.

Biggest knock on Tebow is his throwing technique. Prescott can make the throws. He is also smart. In the end, you may get a bigger version of Russel Williams.

Cardale Jones is a bit more raw but with same credentials.

My thinking if you are getting a project in the first round. Why not take your project later.

Can Browns get a stop gap QB such as Kap or RG iii on the cheap? Can McCown play a year or two more?

"Prescott can make the throws"-Maybe, but I didn't see accurate throws very often. I saw his receivers having to make lots of difficult adjustments when wide open and it should be pitch and catch. I saw a fair number of throws right into defenders numbers.

Dak Prescott's game does not resemble Russell Wilson at all. (I'm assuming you meant Wilson) He doesn't have the quickness, the feel in the pocket, or the touch of Wilson.

I at least saw Cardale make a good number of accurate throws. Cardale to Devin Smith were some nice, NFL level throws. Cardale wasn't a great fit for the read option Ohio State decided to run. I wish Tom Herman had had another year with Jones. He's definitely a project, but I see more translatable skills.

No, we won't get one of those guys (Kaep/RGIII) on the cheap. We could get them, but it would cost.

McCown can play parts of a couple more years, but what does that have to do with anything? He's not the answer.

I don't get the Russell Wilson comparisons either. His passing reminds me a lot of Blake Bortles but without all the brain farts. Of course, he's not as big as Bortles but he has that same intermediate game that Bortles has been very productive with and was Bortles best weapon in college. I think in the third round he could be a valuable asset if he's given the right weapons (like Treadwell and Doctson maybe?)

I simply meant implementing Russel Wilson's run game aspects. Dak is known for his football smarts. If he loves the game as much as Russell, I think you have something.

It's funny, not necessarily you, how people make the same analysis on mid round QBs as they do the first rounds. I get mid-rounds are little more raw. I simply don't see this big separation of talent.

I would be comfortable with prescott late 2nd. Anyway I would probably go corner at 2. 2 very good ones in this draft and folks I dont know if we have one decent corner on our roster right now.

Bosa is a DE and has the rep of being a party boy doubt we touch him. Treadwell is falling. tunsil is going #1. I realy want a trade down but if i am stuck and cant move, I go the corner route.

I want Wentz, but Jack seems better impact than Bosa...I question Bosa's character....JMHO, he strikes me as a me guy.....GO Browns!!!

What the heck is the matter with you guys? Until we get get a QB we are never going to be anything I n previous years it was , of course Blake Bortles, Carr, Mariota,Newton and on and on all suck We go out and get Shelton Taylor Gilbert Johnny ect. Now we have the # 2 pick and from what I saw at the Combine and last year 3 good Qbs. Lets quit screwing around get our QB and start drafting a little smarter in the early rounds. I sick of trading down for average players but we don't even get that.

We have one of the best Ol in football and won 3 games. Now Vers wants to draft Tunsel or maybe he wanted to draft Bosa I can see it now . Boss has a big sack and we win 4 games next year. Maybe someday we even get to the center of the pack. Of course we lose all chance of getting a Francise QB but Hey 7-9 is good

I hear a lot about Jack. I have skimmed through some of his film, admittedly not in depth. But I have yet to come across a play that he has made that sticks out.

If someone has an example of an impact play he has made I would love to see it but I have yet to find it.

The Browns have so many holes, they could go any direction and it wouldn't be a bad move.

Thanks.

I found that video frustrating to watch for multiple reasons.

1st - many of those highlights were him on offense. Pretty impressive Rb. Unfortunately we are looking at him as a Lb.

2nd the editing made it hard to eval the plays. We see the hits but not what led up to them.

3rd, hte film was sped up. Not actually speed. This makes it hard to get an accurate feel.

Having qualified with that, he does make some nice plays, especially that one interception. I'm not sure that there are enough of those plays to make me consider him at #2.

You're right. Teams w/good defenses never win.

Please no OT ... Haven't we learned a good to great offensive line zero playmakers wins you nothing

In terms of Jack, I thought he was ILB?

Apparently was a 2 way player

Bosa or Ramsey. I do love Myles Jack though.

UCLA has used a 3-4 for years. UCLA did use him outside in that role. They also used him inside, which is where he should be in the NFL.

tab, Jack is a guy that is hard to evaluate and can be looked at a guy who has no position or a guy who can play multiple positions, depending on your perspective. LOL

Here are some things I like and dislike:

Like:

--Speed
--Athleticism
--Ability to elude blocks
--Excellent coverage ability
--Can rush off the edge by using pure speed and moves

Dislike:
--Doesn't shed blocks very well
--Not very physical
--Not good in tight spaces
--Doesn't have the strength to engage defenders
--Plays small


Conclusions:

I think he is a guy that will be used more in coverage than a guy who will help in the running game or as a pass rusher. I think he is a very versatile player and who might be really good in nickel situations. I think he would be ILBer for a team like the Browns, but is probably better suited as a 4-3 Will LBer. I do not think he will develop into a dominant pass rusher.

I would not spend a top ten pick on the guy. I like him and think he could be pretty good, but even his own head coach [Jim Mora--a former NFL coach] questioned Jack turning pro.

I guess a case could be made for Jalen Ramsey, since it appears we're losing Gipson, and Ramsey is listed as a top 3 on some of the big boards I've seen. Great size and good speed, he's believed to be versatile enough to play FS or inside/nickel CB. The only thing that bugged me was the NFL comparison Dane Brugler (CBS) used for Ramsey was Tyrann Mathieu. At #2 overall, I'd like that comparison to be something more like Ronnie Lott or Eric Turner.