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Host Chris Rock pined last night about the lack of racial diversity at the Grammys last night:

“...the white people’s choice awards.”

Give it a break already.

You mean the oscars, right?

I think they ought to give a 'Token black person award' every year, and even name it the 'token black person award'. If the motion picture academy didn't think anything put up by black people deserved an award, then isn't that equal in itself? Do we have to have special awards or committees to approve 'racial diversity'?

hee hee... yeah... oscars, grammys, acadameys, tonys, emmys whatever

Oscars, but I have a question...

In today's America, where isn't there racism now? There's more hatred now than I can ever remember. It's sad that popular events are now being used by so called 'actors' to display their views, most negative.

Something needs to happen, immediately.

need to start handing out participation trophies at these things so no gets their feelings hurt.

I'm offended that the NBA has very few (if any) white players in the dunk competition

Overall I thought Chris Rock did a pretty good job in his opening making his point but making fun of it at the same time.

Then it became a part of every skit, every introduction, every everything... it got old.

They can call it the Pau Gasol award... the one late add white guy to the NBA all-star game..

Just wait for the overreaction next year.. there will be black people nominated for everything whether they deserve it or not.

And why is that? Are they not getting the roles that are oscar worthy, or are they not good enough? I will argue they aren't getting the roles, and its much for the same reason that hollywood seems insistent on sequels and remakes. They know what brings the cash. Why take a risk going outside the box?

So, what does that matter? Should they have a 'didn't get a good role but acted great' award? If you don't make the cut, you don't make the cut. It's either that or token or participation awards.

The Grammy's are certainly racist. As are the Oscars. There have been a lot of great black actors that they've been snubbing for years. Michael B Jordan got snubbed two years ago for Fruitvale Station. Selma got snubbed for a best actor nom for the guy who played King. Also, besides Inaratu, there were zero hispanics as well. Again, if you've seen a lot of movies, you know how much of a farce the Oscars can be.

Except Black actors don't make the cut because the color of their skin. It's not simply because "They're not good enough".

My point is Hollywood is the first guilty party in this problem. The Oscars are then second.


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Oh and the grammies are more a bunch of old people voting just as much as a racism problem. I mean, things like Jethro Tull beating Metallica for best heavy metal album should tell you that.

I saw Chris Rock's opening monologue and thought he was really funny.

I watched a little bit of the show after that and got bored, not for me. I can read who won what the next day.

P.S. The stage set-up looked really nice too. Classy.

As somebody stated above.. it's about the cash. The person-on-the-street interviews that Chris Rock did in Compton were kind of telling.. Most of the black people he talked to had never even heard of, let alone seen, most of the movies nominated for awards yet they had all seen Straight Outta Compton...

So if black people tend to go see movies with a black theme or cast, why is it racist for white people to prefer movies with a white theme or cast? So since the majority of movie goers are white, the majority of movies are made for that audience... so the majority of the better roles go to white people...

It's not a big racist conspiracy, it's peoples natural tendencies meeting simple economics.

Either that or CHS is in possession of transcripts from the secret meetings that white hollyweird hold with the purpose of thwarting black hollyweird.

The billionaires who fund movies are no different than the billionaires that own NBA teams.. if they could have more success and make more money with all black casts and promoting black superstars, they would.

Yes, but the oscars have nothing to do with money, other than being rich artistic people handing out awards to other rich artistic people. It's not based on money, it's based on whatever credentials they put on artistry. It's little more than a 'feel good' show to aggrandize themselves.

Besides, this crap about racism should have been put to bed when Hattie McDaniel won best supporting actress for Gone with the Wind.

So until Black people from Compton watch Trumbo then they're cool, but until then, you-know-what them you-know-who? Let's also not mention the fact that they were handpicked interviewees. They had the most ridiculous/funny answers. Not the most factual or insightful. Unfortunately, this applies to all of our "news" and not just The Oscars.

But anyway, I completely get what you're saying. And you're right in many aspects. There's simply not enough economics in black movies, with black casts and black themes. There's also a lack of economics in having a black superstar opposed to a white superstar. Until these things happen then movies and the Oscars will never really change.

Unfortunately, we can still do a lot of progress and we don't. Movies are still independent of each other. We can grade them subjectively on their artistic merits, not their racial demographics. BUt we don't. David Owelo played MLK a lot better than Eddie Redmayne played Stephen Hawkins and Oyelowo didn't even get nominated. It would be one thing if these snubs occurred infrequently, but every year there are multiple examples of this.

I know but I was more responding to the notion that black actors don't get cast for good roles because they are black...

Probably the first time I've ever seen racism be dismissed before the Jim Crow laws were lmfao

There you go talking sense again...

There was a time when Will Smith and Denzel Washington were killing it in theaters. This just wasnt that year,

It's not this. Well, it is this. But not really. There are a lot great black actors who are not getting recognition. Have you ever seen Chiwetel Ejiofor? He's one of the most talented actors around. Seriously. Have you ever seen him do Hamlet? Your life will change. Michael B Jordan and Idris Elba are both extremely talented. Again, constant snubs. It's not as simple as them just not getting roles. When they do get roles, they're not recognized. It's a shame.

Since 2000, black actors won best actor in a leading role in 2000, 2001, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2009, 2012, and 2013

Best actress in a leading role 2001, 2009, 2011, 2012

Best Actor in a supporting role 2003, 2004, 2006, 2013

Best actress in a supporting role 2002, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011, 2013

So in 16 years, a possible 64 chances to win those 4 key awards, blacks have won 24 of them.. That's 37.5%... And those are just the winners, not even the nominees.... sounds more like they are in a drought the last couple years than some rampant racism...

I'd honestly compare it much more to Leo's Oscarless career. But instead of Leo competing against Forrest Whittaker and Daniel Day Lewis, he's competing against all of his other movies, but he ends up losing against Bradley Cooper at the end.

Yeah, it's not a big deal, but everyone and their mother knows it's unfair.

So, when the academy flouted all social norms to award a black actress for doing a superb job, you think that wasn't a show of recognition where it was deserved? Sydney Poitier won before all those laws were rescinded, so I guess that doesn't count either. Just 3 years ago, 12 Years a Slave won best picture. I guess all that racism came back since then.

Where did I say this. All I said was that you dismissed racism before the Jim Crow laws got dismissed. You realize how absurd that is, right? Literally you'd have to be insane to think that. There's a reason why no one told Martin Luther King Jr. to chill because Hattie won an Oscar... And it wasn't because he wasn't fond of movies.

"All cries of racism should have ended when white people taught their slaves how to read. The slave owners broke social norms of their times! What heroes!"

Isn't this the lifetime achievement oscars they give out?

It's subjective voting.. like all-star game nominations and Olympic gymnastics, every outcome will seem "unfair" to somebody. History says that the accomplishments of black entertainers have been well recognized... so racial tensions flair, black awards go down... It seems just as likely that this is a coincidence as a conspiracy..

It's more like people throwing around the word 'racism' every time they don't get their way.

Selma was a HORRIBLE movie point blank and even saying it was horrible is giving it too much credit . If you want to rail against a snub then look no further than Beasts of No Nation which was a much better movie than The Revanant ( pretty good movie btw ) . Idris Elba deserves all the recognition that could possibly be heaped on him . I suspect that the reason it and he was snubbed was because it was a movie not created by the major studios . I firmly believe had it not been created by Netflix it would have cleaned up and that is more Tinsletown politics than racism and that is a shame.

Wonder what would happen if the NFL and NBA as well as other professional sports organizations had to meet a racial quota?

Interesting there is no complaint with non white athletes cleaning up monetarily in some sports and make more in a season than most people make in a lifetime.

This constant whining and moaning by some group is getting old and, quite frankly, is counterproductive to what they state is their ultimate goal. This attitude is more divisive than anything.

Grow a pair, adopt MLK's dream philosophy and walk the walk.........not just talk the talk. The time is at hand!!!

Might want to check your sources.

Best Actors winners since 2000

2000, KEVIN SPACEY
2001, RUSSELL CROWE
2002, DENZEL WASHINGTON **
2003, ADRIEN BRODY
2004, SEAN PENN
2005, JAMIE FOXX **
2006, PHILIP SEYMOUR HOFFMAN
2007, FOREST WHITAKER **
2008, DANIEL DAY-LEWIS
2009, SEAN PENN
2010, JEFF BRIDGES
2011, COLIN FIRTH
2012, JEAN DUJARDIN
2013, DANIEL DAY-LEWIS
2014, MATTHEW MCCONAUGHEY
2015, EDDIE REDMAYNE
2016, LEONARDO DICAPRIO



I am not going to post the other items because its too much work, but what ever you list you are looking at is wrong.

Oscar linky

My bad.. the list I was looking at did, in fact, have nominated mixed in with winners... I read the table wrong. You are correct. So I would assume the others I listed are equally flawed..

Uh...

Yeah, good luck justifying Fruitvale Station over what DDL did in Lincoln.

NFL and NBA will draft anyone if they can play ball. It does not matter what color you are. If you are a athletic freak who can play(which will make the owner money) and has the best athletic ability then you will be in the NFL/NBA. Race plays no part so this is a very silly comparison.




Before I reply, can you please be a little bit more descriptive, who are you talking about specifically to walk the walk?

DC, now you need to go back and pull the numbers again, I am curious what the percentage will be once you analzye it.

Lurker dropping truth bombs as usual.