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On the other hand, Belichick would have probably kicked Peyton to the curb a couple years ago. And Irsay probably wishes he hadn't kicked Manning to the curb a couple years ago now.
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On the other hand, Belichick would have probably kicked Peyton to the curb a couple years ago. And Irsay wishes he hadn't kicked Manning to the curb a couple years ago now. Again, you are the only one who believes this.
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On the other hand, Belichick would have probably kicked Peyton to the curb a couple years ago. And Irsay wishes he hadn't kicked Manning to the curb a couple years ago now. Again, you are the only one who believes this. So? It doesn't make your statement true. But thanks for playing.
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On the other hand, Belichick would have probably kicked Peyton to the curb a couple years ago. Probably true.. Bill isn't big on giving "legacy contracts" is he?
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On the other hand, Belichick would have probably kicked Peyton to the curb a couple years ago. Probably true.. Bill isn't big on giving "legacy contracts" is he? He only goes by what he sees. (It seems to me I've heard him say that.)
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Really? You site an article from 2014 before the Bronco's won a SB with Manning.  Whatever ...You made up a scenario about Manning being thrown to the curb by BB. And when I do the same about Irsay you call me out. Got it. You're a hypocrite. 
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On the other hand, Belichick would have probably kicked Peyton to the curb a couple years ago. And Irsay probably wishes he hadn't kicked Manning to the curb a couple years ago now. Irsay has a guy he can build around.. His problem isn't QB.
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On the other hand, Belichick would have probably kicked Peyton to the curb a couple years ago. And Irsay probably wishes he hadn't kicked Manning to the curb a couple years ago now. Irsay has a guy he can build around.. His problem isn't QB. What has Irsay built around Luck? Their offensive line is porous, they have no backup QB, and limited offensive talent. Which is exactly where the Colts where when Payton Manning was kicked to the curb a few years ago. You guys are funny. Irsay made a huge mistake and I think he know's it.
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Really? You site an article from 2014 before the Bronco's won a SB with Manning. Manning had little to do with the Broncos getting to the Super Bowl, let alone winning it. Like I posted in another thread, outside of win-loss ... Manning's stats this year looked remarkably similar to Josh McCown's. Yet, I really doubt Irsay is kicking himself for not picking up McCown in Free Agency.
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On the other hand, Belichick would have probably kicked Peyton to the curb a couple years ago. And Irsay wishes he hadn't kicked Manning to the curb a couple years ago now. Again, you are the only one who believes this. So? It doesn't make your statement true. But thanks for playing. All things being equal, if Irsay had kept Manning, the Colts would have been no better, Manning would have probably been re-injured after watching the beating Luck took... and the Broncos would have won the super bowl this year anyway with Tebow.. pretty sure that's how it would have played out.
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So? They won a championship. He is the leader. It's a QB driven league.
If you really think that Payton Manning didn't have much to do with getting the Bronco's where they are today, I'll just say I know you're wrong and I'll be done with it. Besides I can't comprehend comparing Payton to McCown.
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On the other hand, Belichick would have probably kicked Peyton to the curb a couple years ago. And Irsay wishes he hadn't kicked Manning to the curb a couple years ago now. Again, you are the only one who believes this. So? It doesn't make your statement true. But thanks for playing. All things being equal, if Irsay had kept Manning, the Colts would have been no better, Manning would have probably been re-injured after watching the beating Luck took... and the Broncos would have won the super bowl this year anyway with Tebow.. pretty sure that's how it would have played out. Funny scenerio. How's this one?... If Irsay had kept Payton and still drafted Luck, Payton could have gotten them deep into the playoffs and possibly another SB and with a great backup QB to fill in if he did get hurt. As it is right now the Colts still don't have a viable backup QB and Luck will continue to take a beating. They're in worse shape then they were when they kicked Manning to the curb.
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So? They won a championship. He is the leader. It's a QB driven league.
If you really think that Payton Manning didn't have much to do with getting the Bronco's where they are today, I'll just say I know you're wrong and I'll be done with it. Besides I can't comprehend comparing Payton to McCown. Okay ... QB #1 had a 63.7% Completion Percentage, threw for 2109 yards in 8 games, had 12 TDs, 4 picks and a 93.3 QB Rating. QB #2 had 59.8% Completion Percentage, threw for 2249 yards in 10 games, had 9 TDs, 17 picks, and a 67.9 QB Rating. Which one are you taking ... unless you want to argue that it was Peyton's "leadership" that got the Bronco's Defense to play like the '85 Bears?
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Really? You site an article from 2014 before the Bronco's won a SB with Manning. Whatever ...You made up a scenario about Manning being thrown to the curb by BB. And when I do the same about Irsay you call me out. Got it. You're a hypocrite. I never mentioned Belichick. It is hilarious that you think Manning did more than the minimum to contribute to the Broncos Super Bowl. He played so well for them that they will not have him back next year and prefer an unproven player over him. Peyton Manning is one of the greatest QBs ever. In 2015 he was a straight up dog turd.
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I'll take the HOF QB with SB experience any day thank you.  Maybe we should revisit this subject in a year to see how far "Brock Osweiler" takes the Bronco's.
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Really? You site an article from 2014 before the Bronco's won a SB with Manning. Whatever ...You made up a scenario about Manning being thrown to the curb by BB. And when I do the same about Irsay you call me out. Got it. You're a hypocrite. I never mentioned Belichick. It is hilarious that you think Manning did more than the minimum to contribute to the Broncos Super Bowl. He played so well for them that they will not have him back next year and prefer an unproven player over him. Peyton Manning is one of the greatest QBs ever. In 2015 he was a straight up dog turd. NFL Championship dog turds shine up pretty nice right?
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Funny scenerio. How's this one?... If Irsay had kept Payton and still drafted Luck, Payton could have gotten them deep into the playoffs and possibly another SB and with a great backup QB to fill in if he did get hurt.
As it is right now the Colts still don't have a viable backup QB and Luck will continue to take a beating. They're in worse shape then they were when they kicked Manning to the curb. You are arguing 2 different things.. whether or not to keep Manning has no impact on the poor drafting and FA moves this team has made outside of that decision... Since drafting Luck they have taken an average OT, an oft injured guard, a mediocre TE and WR, and a poor defensive player high in the draft, while trading away a high pick for a really bad RB... The fact that they aren't very good has much more to do with everything that has happened AROUND Luck..
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Funny scenerio. How's this one?... If Irsay had kept Payton and still drafted Luck, Payton could have gotten them deep into the playoffs and possibly another SB and with a great backup QB to fill in if he did get hurt.
As it is right now the Colts still don't have a viable backup QB and Luck will continue to take a beating. They're in worse shape then they were when they kicked Manning to the curb. You are arguing 2 different things.. whether or not to keep Manning has no impact on the poor drafting and FA moves this team has made outside of that decision... Since drafting Luck they have taken an average OT, an oft injured guard, a mediocre TE and WR, and a poor defensive player high in the draft, while trading away a high pick for a really bad RB... The fact that they aren't very good has much more to do with everything that has happened AROUND Luck.. So? Their still in worse shape then they were.
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In 2015 he was a straight up dog turd.
And yet there were the Broncos with a recently used young QB - who several on this board are pleading their case for us to sign him and be our QB...One Game none more important...The Super Bowl.
The Broncos with that so important game on the line didn't hesitate to choose the Dog Turd QB to lead them to victory.
I bring this up cause you use them not pursuing him in 2016 as proof he as a DOG TURD and had no value in their SB victory.
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In 2015 he was a straight up dog turd.
And yet there were the Broncos with a recently used young QB - who several on this board are pleading their case for us to sign him and be our QB...One Game none more important...The Super Bowl.
The Broncos with that so important game on the line didn't hesitate to choose the Dog Turd QB to lead them to victory.
I bring this up cause you use them not pursuing him in 2016 as proof he as a DOG TURD and had no value in their SB victory.
jmho It almost makes you think Osweiler's not that good, right? How many other QBs in the league could have done what Manning did in "leading" the Broncos to the Super Bowl? 50?
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It wasn't all about his "dog turd" arm. Plenty of QBs have a better arm than he displayed this year. You underestimate the experience in his audibles and decision making which trumps the other 49 QBs in that list of 50 who could have lead the team to the Superbowl win.
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It wasn't all about his "dog turd" arm. Plenty of QBs have a better arm than he displayed this year. You underestimate the experience in his audibles and decision making which trumps the other 49 QBs in that list of 50 who could have lead the team to the Superbowl win. How many points Broncos earn because Manning audibled instead of just running the called play? (We will never know the answer to that question.) The Broncos playoffs run was buoyed almost entirely by their crazy good defense. Even in the Super Bowl the Broncos only scored an offensive touchdown because of the field position provided by the defense. Their offensive MVP throughout the playoffs was Brandon McManus. I don't actually care about Peyton Manning and/or the Broncos. But anyone who is pretending that Manning was anything more than a horrible QB last year is getting trapped up in a narrative that does not exist. If Manning returns next year to a team that is not the Broncos (his father has said that if he returns it will not be with the Broncos), it will be one the saddest displays of football we will ever see.
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50??? I know you are just being sarcastic. I would like to bring up just one dynamic that you are totally ignoring. The preparation not only of the O but the entire team for two weeks prior to the SB. Yeah your use of the word Dog Turd just was too much. As for Os...I never wanted him here. But the Broncos organization thought it best to go with Manning to achieve something they haven't done since Elway's last years.
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50??? I know you are just being sarcastic. I would like to bring up just one dynamic that you are totally ignoring. The preparation not only of the O but the entire team for two weeks prior to the SB. Yeah your use of the word Dog Turd just was too much. As for Os...I never wanted him here. But the Broncos organization thought it best to go with Manning to achieve something they haven't done since Elway's last years.
jmho I am not ignoring the preparation. I believe that if Osweiler was in the games and just ran the exact play that was sent in, the Broncos still win the Super Bowl. That is enough Manning comments from me. I am putting a piece of tape that says "Do Not Click" over this thread.
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How many points Broncos earn because Manning audibled instead of just running the called play?
(We will never know the answer to that question. So does that make it a point in favor of your "dog turd" appraisal or one in favor of mine? Defense wins Championships. We all know that. But the Broncos had their backup in the game and the HC chose to replace him with the crippled Manning. Manning helped win that game and also helped them through the playoffs and a Superbowl win. True, he didn't, because he wasn't able, put the team on his back and carry them to victory. But if 50 other QBs could have done the same thing they would have left Osweiler in to do just that. Manning brought what he could which was his experience which, as I said in my prior post, trumps the other 50 QBs you claim could have done the same thing. Why all the hate for one of the best QBs in the history of the sport?
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50??? I know you are just being sarcastic. I would like to bring up just one dynamic that you are totally ignoring. The preparation not only of the O but the entire team for two weeks prior to the SB. Yeah your use of the word Dog Turd just was too much. As for Os...I never wanted him here. But the Broncos organization thought it best to go with Manning to achieve something they haven't done since Elway's last years.
jmho I am not ignoring the preparation. I believe that if Osweiler was in the games and just ran the exact play that was sent in, the Broncos still win the Super Bowl. That is enough Manning comments from me. I am putting a piece of tape that says "Do Not Click" over this thread. 
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That is enough Manning comments from me. I am putting a piece of tape that says "Do Not Click" over this thread.
Good, because you know you're wrong. Now, any comments about how good Cam's defense was and will you nit pick his dog turd performance in the SB? Probably not.
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Congratulations Peyton, what a great way to end a great career. Enjoy retirement and I'm sure we'll all still see you in the Nationwide and Papa John commercials lol.
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That is enough Manning comments from me. I am putting a piece of tape that says "Do Not Click" over this thread.
Good, because you know you're wrong. Now, any comments about how good Cam's defense was and will you nit pick his dog turd performance in the SB? Probably not. Cam Newton won the MVP. Peyton Manning was second in the league in INTs and he missed half the games.
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Manning was so good last year that the Rams wouldn't guarantee him a starting job if he signed with them: In 2012, Manning had teams panting after him. Houston, Kansas City, San Francisco, Denver, Arizona, Miami, the Jets. In 2016, that was gone. The one team that was mildly interested was the Rams. But the Rams braintrust hadn’t had a serious internal discussion about Manning, and I am told the Rams would not have guaranteed Manning the starting job. And how embarrassing would it have been if Manning signed with Los Angeles for, say, $8 million plus incentives, then had to come in and compete with Case Keenum and—in all likelihood—a drafted quarterback this spring for the starting job? Imagine Jeff Fisher having to go to Manning on Aug. 25 and asking him if he wanted to be number two … to Case Keenum. Not that this certainly would have happened, but the Rams were going to play the best guy. Manning wouldn’t have been on scholarship. And maybe there would have been interest in Houston, but let’s face it: This was shaping up to be John Unitas to the Chargers, or Joe Namath to the Rams. Not pretty and ultimately forgettable. One of the greatest QBs of all time, for sure. Horrible, horrible QB in 2015.
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I'll take the HOF QB with SB experience any day thank you. Maybe we should revisit this subject in a year to see how far "Brock Osweiler" takes the Bronco's. This doesn't make any sense. The Broncos are going to lose a lot more guys than just Manning. They're probably going to lose Malik Jackson and Demarcus Ware. That's just off the top of my head.
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“Every game he has played, I have watched,” [Tom]Brady said. “I have file folders of his plays, of how he plays. It’d take years for me to watch it all again. But what he’s done in Denver has been incredible. Think of what he did—changing teams, changing organizations, at his age, and then in four years going to two Super Bowls with that team.
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