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Did they not learn with Charles Clay (spelling?) last year? They better hope Suh is willing to reconstructure his contract. Then again I think the Fins added language to make sure they can reconstructure.
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Did they not learn with Charles Clay (spelling?) last year? They better hope Suh is willing to reconstructure his contract. Then again I think the Fins added language to make sure they can reconstructure. They did not learn. The Dolphins are now over the cap and will likely lose Vernon.
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Von Miller got franchise tagged. We all knew that would happen.
It also means that Osweiler and Malik Jackson are free agents.
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j/c: Denver tagging Von Miller means QB Brock Osweiler gets to market. As does DE Malik Jackson. Going to get interesting.
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if it came down to getting an FA QB instead of drafting one....
Kap, RG3, or Os?
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there's no way Gruden is separating from cousins.
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Washington is reportedly leaning toward giving Kirk Cousins the transition tag, which would be very risky.  TWEET SHARE (56) PIN Washington isn't going to let Kirk Cousins reach free agency, but the team may allow the quarterback to negotiate with other teams if it uses the transition tag on him. That is a move the team is leaning toward, according to Ian Rapoport of NFL Network. Cousins, 27, took over as the full-time starter for Washington in 2015 and showed enough to convince the team that it was a much better idea to keep him around than allow him to walk. He led the NFL with a 69.8 completion percentage to go with 29 touchdowns and 11 interceptions. But Washington and Cousins haven't had the easiest time agreeing on his value. Since the season ended, contract talks have reached roadblocks, pushing the team toward using other means to keep the quarterback from reaching free agency. While many believed the team would use the franchise tag, Rapoport instead says the transition tag is likely on the way for Cousins. Why use the transition tag instead of the franchise tag? It's cheaper. Instead of averaging the top five salaries at a position like the franchise tag, the transition tag pays the average of the top 10 salaries, which is a significant difference for a position like quarterback. Instead of getting $19.953 million with the franchise tag, Cousins would instead stand to make $17.696 million under the transition tag. The transition tag comes with a notable risk, though, and that's that it will allow other teams to negotiate with Cousins without the threat of losing draft picks. Both the non-exclusive franchise tag and the transition tag allow teams to match any offer made to a tagged player, but if a franchised player is allowed to take a deal from another team without it being matched, the original team is owed two first-round picks. Without the threat of lost draft picks, quarterback-needy teams like the Cleveland Browns or Houston Texans will have no negative ramifications if they choose to negotiate with Cousins if he is given the transition tag. Of course, the most likely scenario is that Washington will be ready to match any offer extended to Cousins. That means it's still unlikely that Cousins slips through Washington's fingers, but when Alex Mack was given the transition tag from the Browns in 2014, he negotiated a deal with the Jacksonville Jaguars that was extremely player-friendly. While Cleveland matched the offer, the contract gave Mack the opt-out option that he is expected to use before free agency begins next week. If Cousins is given the transition tag, the door is open for another team to either irresponsibly overpay the quarterback or create a contract that is difficult for Washington to deal with. Then, the team will be stuck with the choice of matching a contract it doesn't want or allowing the quarterback to walk. By applying the transition tag to Cousins, Washington would save about $2.3 million but leave the possibility of a scenario that pulls the team's quarterback away. http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2016/2/29/11132772/kirk-cousins-transition-tag-franchise-washington
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and you're willing to overpay for cousins?
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Overpay? I think he is going to be a quality qb for a long, long time. The guy is really coming into his own and he was the fifth rated qb in the entire NFL, finishing in front of even the great Cam Newton.
The Browns have money. Getting a top qb and being able to draft an impact pass rusher w/the second overall pick makes sense to me and I would not consider that as overpaying.
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Overpay? I think he is going to be a quality qb for a long, long time. The guy is really coming into his own and he was the fifth rated qb in the entire NFL, finishing in front of even the great Cam Newton.
The Browns have money. Getting a top qb and being able to draft an impact pass rusher w/the second overall pick makes sense to me and I would not consider that as overpaying. Keepin' the Cousins dream alive I see.
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if it came down to getting an FA QB instead of drafting one....
Kap, RG3, or Os? I wouldn't want any of the three. But if I had to choose I would choose Griffin. I think he is more physically talented than Osweiler and a better passer than Kaepernick. If we added another available QB, Bradford, I might take him. All are bad options.
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Well Deputydawg there goes that acid trip dream of yours.
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I don't even view Williams as an option for our team (not saying you do). Guys like him have already been paid a significant amount in their career and usually end up on teams that have a real shot at winning the Super Bowl (like Julius Peppers and the Packers). The Cardinals, Panthers, Colts, Seahawks, and Patriots all make sense as a fit.
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if it came down to getting an FA QB instead of drafting one....
Kap, RG3, or Os? Out of those three ... Os no doubt, and I have doubts on him. I have 0 interest in RG3 and even less in Kap.
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I will hope for him to be a Brown until he is off the market. Not sure what is so wrong about that?
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I will hope for him to be a Brown until he is off the market. Not sure what is so wrong about that? There is nothing wrong with it. It just seems weird to hope for something that was never going to happen. Would you give up two first round picks for Cousins AND pay him a fat contract? Because that's what it would take at this point.
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Those 3 for a possible Bandaid in case McCown gets hurt and we wish to still keep our #2 overall pick learning.
RG3 Short Term contract only
Denver...give us Malik Jackson over Os...anyday. Of course SB players tend to get over paid the next FA year.
Mario...heard there was friction with him and Rex...now Rob...
Sorry Vers I know you were hoping for Cousins...the odds were bad on that happening from the get go.
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if it came down to getting an FA QB instead of drafting one....
Kap, RG3, or Os? The belt, the paddle or the switch. Neither are good options.
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I will hope for him to be a Brown until he is off the market. Not sure what is so wrong about that? There is nothing wrong with it. It just seems weird to hope for something that was never going to happen. Would you give up two first round picks for Cousins AND pay him a fat contract? Because that's what it would take at this point. Not to nit pick....but I don't think you have to give up anything on a trans. tag vs. a franchise tag. The transition tag comes with a notable risk, though, and that's that it will allow other teams to negotiate with Cousins without the threat of losing draft picks.
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I will hope for him to be a Brown until he is off the market. Not sure what is so wrong about that? There is nothing wrong with it. It just seems weird to hope for something that was never going to happen. Would you give up two first round picks for Cousins AND pay him a fat contract? Because that's what it would take at this point. Not to nit pick....but I don't think you have to give up anything on a trans. tag vs. a franchise tag. The transition tag comes with a notable risk, though, and that's that it will allow other teams to negotiate with Cousins without the threat of losing draft picks. Cousins is getting the franchise tag, not the transition tag. This is the Redskins saying to Cousins, prove that you can do it again. Adam Scheffer Verified account @AdamSchefter With no deal close, Redskins GM Scot McCloughan called his QB Kirk Cousins about 30 minutes ago to tell him he was being franchised. Tweet
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Everyone I even considered throwing money at is getting tagged.
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Everyone I even considered throwing money at is getting tagged.
Today sucks. I have not been tagged (yet). Throw money at me.
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Did they not learn with Charles Clay (spelling?) last year? They better hope Suh is willing to reconstructure his contract. Then again I think the Fins added language to make sure they can reconstructure. I do not believe that you are allowed to "build in" restructuring into a contract to a tagged free agent any more. The team and player can agree to restructure down the road, but not the year the deal was signed. If they decide to restructure down the road, then it is no different than with any other player under contract to the team.
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Until manning retires, Denver is over the cap.
Denver Top 51: $160,267,995
NFL cap number $155.27 million
That only leaves them $14 - $16 mil to sign Osweiler once Manning retires and I'm not sure if Peyton's Superbowl bonus has been counted into their spending yet.
They are going to most likely lose the rest of their FA's without some massive restructuring.
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Sashi Brown live on @Browns_Daily says team does not expect to use franchise tag. Deadline is 4 p.m. This likely means that Schwartz is gone. Hopefully he at least gives us the chance to match whatever offer he gets.
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Did they not learn with Charles Clay (spelling?) last year? They better hope Suh is willing to reconstructure his contract. Then again I think the Fins added language to make sure they can reconstructure. I do not believe that you are allowed to "build in" restructuring into a contract to a tagged free agent any more. The team and player can agree to restructure down the road, but not the year the deal was signed. If they decide to restructure down the road, then it is no different than with any other player under contract to the team. Bad choice of wording on my behalf, but the Fins did add in a clause that would give them ability to convert base salary to a bonus. Technically the Dolphins always planned on tweaking or reconstruction given that clause.
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j/c... Man, average QBs are getting paid today! Adam Scheffer Verified account @AdamSchefter Eagles gave QB Sam Bradford a two-year, $36 million deal, including $26 million guaranteed, per source. Tweet
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j/c... Man, average QBs are getting paid today! Adam Scheffer Verified account @AdamSchefter Eagles gave QB Sam Bradford a two-year, $36 million deal, including $26 million guaranteed, per source. Tweet Don't we know what Sam Bradford is? Holy crap. After this contract Sam Bradford will have made over $100 million in his career.
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He's played a total of 63 games, so if he manages to stay healthy the next two years that would be another 34 games and he'd still have more millions than games played.
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j/c... Man, average QBs are getting paid today! Adam Scheffer Verified account @AdamSchefter Eagles gave QB Sam Bradford a two-year, $36 million deal, including $26 million guaranteed, per source. Tweet I still just cannot believe he didn't blow out a knee again last year. I'd have bet $ on it happening. 26 million though? Better hope they have a more operational system for him than Chip's, ha.
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Brock Osweiler is like.... 
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j/c
And you know what? the NFL is rapidly becoming what nascar has become. A money whore. Paying ungodly sums of money to people that don't deserve it, all due to the salary cap. And that's due to advertising fees, broadcast rights, and sheer greed.
I predict it won't be long - 2-5 years, before ratings start going down. Soon, most games will be pay per view. And viewership will drop. And once that happens, look out. The bottom will come rapidly.
Probably won't be as bad as nascar. But one need only look at what's happening there. Wasn't all that long ago that tracks were adding seats as fast as they could. Now, many are reducing seating. I look at MIS and Bristol as prime examples.
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Soon, most games will be pay per view. Uh, most games are on free TV. And the contract rights for those games is ridiculous. Viewership may plateau, may even go down, but to compare the NFL to Nascar is just crazy.
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