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Seriously, what the hell are you talking about?

And? It's all kind of the same thing. I have a gun I hope I never use. I am starting on my food stores I hope I never use. Better to have it an never need it, than to need it and not have it in both circumstances. At the very least, if I have a years worth of food one day, then my food bill will be next to nothing when I'm 75 or so.

Just like other people have said, I don't want to have to run to another room and grab my gun if I need it. I have mentioned having knives hidden around the house where they are easy access. Some have called me out on it before. I try to prepare for many circumstances, including the need of a gun, knife, or fighting skills.

I taught my kids about guns the same day I bought one. "It is not a toy!!" is far better than them being ignorant and curious.

It's not all the same thing.. having a week or a months worth of food supplies to get you through an emergency, having a gun secured in case of an emergency... seem logical to me, especially depending on where you live and the likelihood of a natural disaster... having a gun under every throw pillow in case somebody kicks your door in at 3 am seems incredibly over-paranoid to me... but that's just me.

But his comment was insinuating that having a bunker full of supplies was abnormally paranoid. We had a water crisis similar to Flint's 2 years ago where the city's water wasn't safe to drink. People were on the verge of freaking out and there was a little bit of immoral behavior going on just in the 2 days until they got a steady supply of potable water available. You see what happens in grocery stores with the threat of nasty weather. I don't think there's anything abnormal about wanting to be prepared for a situation like that.

Are you guys freaking serious?

I'm not talking about situations like that. Why on EARTH would I have an issue with that?

This is exactly why I don't get along with you and Erik. That's nowhere near what I was saying.

The way I see it, if you feel the need to prep, then do so and who cares what anyone else thinks about it. The world's threats and dangers have evolved.

You never know that sweet, nice old man you talk to while getting your mail may be a serial killer. We're one court ruling away from a Baltimore or similar riots. Terrorist are drooling for domestic attacks/attacks on American soil. Natural disasters can bring out evil during a time of need and etc. Katrina is an example.

I don't a stockpile or a bunker lol, but one thing is for sure - I wouldn't mock, ridicule or anything to someone who did.

Actually, it's not. Take this situation for example. You're at work, and your wife, daughter, or both are at home alone. The guy breaking into your house is not there to rob, but to rape and murder. A rapist is going to attempt to get your wife on the floor to commit his crime. I have some knives taped under tables, chairs, and hidden in other low places around the house. Hopefully, they will never be used, but they are there incase they are ever needed. Ounce of prevention.

I'm not going to keep defending Swish, he can do it himself.. but I don't think he has a problem with keeping a few cases of bottled water or a few weeks worth of food or even a gun for protection on hand.... I just think you are reading into his comment, and I guess now I see the word "bunker" is what got everybody riled up... I would guess he was thinking more "armed military bunker" than "food storage and protection from natural disaster bunker" ...

Oh well, he can take it from here..

I'm not even gonna bother. These dudes are tripping super hard right now.

Then why go outside Erik and dawg_lb?

There could be a laser beam pointing at you right now. That mosquito is gonna give you zika, like...right now. Don't go outside, the sun is shining, so that means the lizard people are sun bathing right now.

It seemed that way to me. I'll let it go.

If I could afford it, I'd have a well stocked bunker. If anything else, I'd have something to leave to my kids one day. It's just another investment to me, and to me, it's the same reason I have a gun, and the same reason I believe you shouldn't leave your kids ignorant of guns. Ounce of prevention.

As the story at the beginning of the thread said, the kids were curious and played with the gun, with the exception of the two that had been taught about guns. I've even stated in previous threads that people with kids and guns are negligent if they don't teach their kids about guns. It's as dangerous as not teaching them about fire, knives, hot stoves, looking before crossing the street, or taking candy from a stranger. All those situations end in a dead or injured kid that got a sudden education.

I even have another good example. One of my Poms got out and was running about the neighborhood looking for nookie. As I'm driving around looking for him, I spot 3 eight year old girls out walking around. Against my better judgment, I stopped and asked them if they had seen my dog. They were on the opposite side of the street. The conversation went like this:

Me: Don't come near my van. I'm looking for a little brown and white, poofy dog. Have you seen him?
All three of the girls approach my van.
Me: Please don't come near my van. Have you seen that dog?
Girls: We saw a little dog like that about 15 minutes ago, he went that way.
Me: Thank you. Never approach someone in a car that could grab you. Thanks again.

I then drove away. I hope those girls went home and said something to their parents, and then their parents whooped their butts for coming near me. For all they knew, I could have been a scumbag with the lost dog story.

Oh, I see. You think because I like to be prepared that I'm paranoid and afraid. You couldn't be more wrong. You were in the Army, correct? Do you think they trained you to make you afraid, or to prepare you for different situations? You were trained by them, I've trained myself.

Ok. But there's a difference between being prepared and being doomsday paranoid.

When I finally get a house someday, in the basement will be supplies, like for when the power goes out and stuff.

We are in agreement with those things. But that's the problem, bro. I wasn't TALKING about those things in the first place. You went off to left field. That's why I'm still trying to figure out what the hell just happened.

That seems kind of racist. Lizard people like to lay in the sun to warm themselves since they are cold blooded. They're just trying to survive.

That's the way I took it. Sorry if I'm wrong.

You said, "i swear to god the way some of you guys view the world, i'm surprised yall havent built a bunker and stocked it full of supplies. turn of the tv, and go outside."

I actually found that insulting. I also find your statement about "difference between being prepared and being doomsday paranoid" to be a little ignorant, and I'll explain why. It's one and the same thing. I live in a hurricane area. The last time a large hurricane hit, it killed power for just about everyone in the area for an average of a week. If you've ever been through a hurricane, the day after is hot and humid. Without power, my pumps didn't work, my toilets didn't flush, all my perishable food went bad, and it cost me a small fortune. I lost about $800 or more in perishable foods, used up all my propane trying to cook everything. Once power started being restored in certain areas, I spent a small fortune on simple comforts like food and ice. A simple 15 foot storm surge would wipe out most of the infrastructure in my area. It might not be the 'end of the world', but it would seem like it in my area. I actually feel like I'm performing a public service by telling people that a week of food and water might not be enough.

In an actual 'end of the world' scenario, like an EMP, we're all screwed, and those preps won't matter. Unless you have the bunker, a years worth of food, guns for days, ammo forever, and the people to secure everything, it won't matter. I'm working right now to prep for a few months, that's all. Trust me, it's a lot more than you are thinking right now.

Yea. I don't agree.

Erik, you do what you feel you must do and don't let the opinions here sway or make you feel you're doing something silly or whatever.

Won't sway me at all. As I said, the last major hurricane that hit my area was a strong class 2. I was without power for 8 days. Others in my area were without power for a month. I'd much rather be sitting in my house eating rehydrated shrimp pilaf out of a bag than waiting in a line for government cheese and water. Also, if people think the government will actually help them, I suggest they read up on Katrina, where the solution was to give you a bottle of water, a blanket, and take you to a different area to start over, after a few weeks.

Erik, I apologize if I misconstrued where the conversation was going.. I still think folks were talking about 2 different things but whatever...

I live in NC, we get hit by hurricanes.. we've lost power for a few days at a time. We have at least enough food, water, and beer to last us at least a week pretty much all the time. We have a small generator to run just a couple things if necessary and to use to recharge cell phones, etc so we can stay at least somewhat connected for information. We are also one of the very few people in our area that have a house with a basement so we actually have food and water stored for our neighbors who don't have space for it. I'm totally in agreement with that level of preparedness and my comments were directed more at those who seem to live in fear that some unruly mob is going to kick in their front door for no apparent reason at 3 am... I guess everybody views being "prepared" through their own lens.. It's all good.

As you're in NC, I will assume you're familiar with the Tidewater/Hampton Roads area. Where a hurricane made Willoughby Spit, and people built houses on it. One of the most expensive areas is Sandbridge, and people built houses on it. You probably know well about Highway 12 in NC down the Outer Banks.

During that hurricane I described, it flooded the Midtown tunnel between Norfolk and Portsmouth. We have a loop of I64 with 4 tunnels, the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel, the Downtown and Midtown tunnel which all go under the bay or rivers, and everything else is bridges over water. If we lose those tunnels and a few bridges, we would only be able to go south or west. South would take us through swampland, and west takes us over too many bridges and rivers. A strong hurricane would devastate this area. Luckily for us, most of our hurricanes bounce off of NC's Outer Banks.

It took the local government a month to pump out water and repair that tunnel. We'd be cut off for months if we lost a few bridges and tunnels.

so we go from kids and guns and about paranoia, to now giving lessons on natural disasters, something nobody was mentioning.

talk about the ultimate spin job.

It had my interest. We can talk guns and kids all you want. Once again I see it as preparation/training. The more a kid knows about a gun and what that gun can do, the more they will respect it for what it can do. They will not play with it.

What you're talking about here is just good ol' common sense. Everyone should keep a week or two's worth of food and water. We had an ice storm a few years back that kept a lot of people without power for a few weeks. I had gas logs installed after that so I wouldn't go without heat again.

Now if you have a cabin in the woods that's off the grid and your stockpile of weapons are making the local national guard armory look like it's unprotected, maybe you should dial it back a notch or two.

the only thing that will stop a bad first grader with a gun is a good first grader with a gun.

I never said that at all. I said it would be prudent to make sure you kids know how dangerous gun can be, so they will not play with them as a toy. Gun safety is gun safety for all ages. I never said mandate either. If you think you can hide one away and nothing will happen, go for it.

I guess this moron was giving advice to other morons, huh?

Refs, please note I didn't call anyone a moron, other than myself.

you see that in politics everyday.

Purple on this board is supposed to indicate a joke or satire. Sorry you got lost by it.

I know how much you are for smaller government so I thought when I combined purple with the word "mandate", you might actually get a chuckle out of it.

Guess not. My bad.

We need a color for double sarcasm, which I use all the time.

My company worked on those tunnels.. I'm familiar with them.

And I fully understand your need to be prepared to be cut off.. I hope you don't still think I'm arguing with that fact.

It's a mixture of colors.. first use red, then orange, followed by yellow, green, and blue, then lastly indigo and violet..

No. Too gay.