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Falcons axed WR Roddy White

I'd substitute Bowe straight up for him in a heart beat.

I'd bet he goes to a contender that is looking for another piece on offense

New England, Cincinnati, Carolina, Arizona, etc

just clicking...

I would love to have White. Shanahan was quoted this year saying his offense "locks onto playmakers" and he concentrated on Julio Jones, leaving White to be a "blocking WR." Bowe wasn't even good enough to block, but White should have a few good years left. A 2 year contract should be good ( after we cut Bowe ). My only concern is White is 6' 0" .. a taller smurf ??

I'd rather go young and hungry. Roddy's had some injury issues recently, and he'd probably end up with a permanently strained hammy if he signed here.

Personally I'd be surprised if there was interest on either side regarding the Browns and Roddy White.

I think that wherever he signs, it will be for close to the veteran minimum.

Roddy White has been on the decline for several years now. He will be 36 for the 2016 season. He is exactly the type of player we should be avoiding.

Exactly, for a playoff team that could use a savvy vet that has lost a step as insurance for a player going down he has some value. Anyone expecting him to do much more is expecting too much.

Roddy just screams future Raven to me.

A lot of these aging WRs decline rapidly. Similar to RBs.

Look at some of the guys who have shuffled around lately. Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne, TO, Chad Johnson, Marvin Harrison, even the great Jerry Rice.

Like you said, White has been in decline for the last few years. I wouldn't expect much from him no matter where he goes.

Thank you, but no thank you to Mr. Roddy White.
For me, it's not good to put old tires on a rebuilding car.

I said I'd substitute Bowe for White. I never said anything about paying him like we did Bowe or anything on the high side.

Honestly, I don't think any team is going to pay anything near premium for Roddy, and he'll have to accept that.

Texans just axed Arian Foster

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000640966/article/texans-releasing-arian-foster

I'll be curious who shows interest in the, often injured, running back that I believe still leads the nfl in carries per game. I hope not us.

On a 1 year prove it deal maybe. He's 29 and averaging like 3 games a season now.

And is coming off a torn Achilles. No thanks.

Best team fits for free agents

By Around The NFL NFL.com Published: March 3, 2016 at 10:38 a.m.

Free agency is just around the corner. We've already broken down our top 99 free agents, now it's time to start predicting the madness. We started by picking the players who are bound to get paid too much followed by free agents who offer the most bang for the buck. Now it's time to examine the best player-team combinations.
Matt Forte to Jets

Matt Forte, who is looking at a fresh start after a successful nine-year run with the Bears, has been connected to the Patriots for weeks. Forte would certainly be a nice fit in Josh McDaniels' offense, but we see an equally appealing fit 220 miles south. Ryan Fitzpatrick made magic with Brandon Marshall and Eric Decker last season, but the Jets lacked a third receiver to serve as a Fitz security blanket. Bilal Powell emerged in that role late in the season, but he's a free agent and Forte would represent an upgrade. Forte could be to Jets coach Todd Bowles what LaDainian Tomlinson was to Rex Ryan once upon a time in the Meadowlands. -- Dan Hanzus

Mario Williams to Raiders

The Raiders need an edge rusher to pair with Khalil Mack. Adding Williams would be similar to the Broncos adding DeMarcus Ware to Von Miller. Oakland has enough cap space to give Williams one last big payday. The Raiders should focus their offseason spending on defense, and adding an edge rusher like Williams not only will help get after the quarterback, but will boost a currently weak secondary. Many will question Williams' effort after he took plays off last season. However, edge rushers of his caliber are few and far between. With a fresh start on an up-and-coming team, Williams should return to his double-digit sack totals. Having a talented young stud like Mack to take attention away will be beneficial to a 31-year-old who would see plenty of one-on-one matchups in Oakland. -- Kevin Patra

Travis Benjamin/Marvin Jones to Packers

Is it time for a bit of a cosmic shift in how the Packers operate? The team has taken pride in their homegrown roster, but with Aaron Rodgers struggling to bear the weight of the entire offense last season, it might be time. There are some interesting names out there, including Travis Benjamin out of Cleveland and Marvin Jones out of Cincinnati. Both would provide a reliable slot option between a recovering Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb. Both would also take some pressure off Davante Adams, who struggled mightily in the limelight last year. It was difficult to see Rodgers down the stretch firing 10-yard comebacks to James Jones as his most effective means of gaining first downs. Mike McCarthy was stuck placing Cobb at running back just to generate some life in the offense. Speed and reliable hands will go a long way for the league's best quarterback. -- Conor Orr

Doug Martin stays home

Sometimes the best free-agency fit means no move at all. The Bucs won't get Doug Martin for cheap after last season's explosive 1,400-yard campaign, but Tampa Bay should do all it can to keep one of the league's top backfields intact. Martin was a hard-charging whirlwind in 2015, showing the ability to gain yardage inside and out, while Charles Sims gave the Bucs a dangerous component through the air. Martin, especially, kept defenses honest, making life easier for rookie quarterback Jameis Winston. Instead of breaking up the band, Tampa should keep this act together for the long haul. -- Marc Sessler
Bruce Irvin to Falcons

Amid trade rumors connecting Bruce Irvin to Atlanta, the pass rusher was quoted last offseason as saying he wanted to follow former Seahawks defensive coordinator Dan Quinn to the Falcons in 2016. If that remains the case, here's Irvin's chance to team with Vic Beasley for a much-needed speedy edge rushing duo in Quinn's defense. The Falcons might have competition in the form of another former Seattle coordinator, Jacksonville's Gus Bradley. -- Chris Wesseling

Bruce Irvin to Falcons

Amid trade rumors connecting Bruce Irvin to Atlanta, the pass rusher was quoted last offseason as saying he wanted to follow former Seahawks defensive coordinator Dan Quinn to the Falcons in 2016. If that remains the case, here's Irvin's chance to team with Vic Beasley for a much-needed speedy edge rushing duo in Quinn's defense. The Falcons might have competition in the form of another former Seattle coordinator, Jacksonville's Gus Bradley. -- Chris Wesseling

Danny Trevathan to Bears

Coming off a Super Bowl win, Broncos linebacker Danny Trevathan likely is not coming back. While the presence of his old position coach in Atlanta makes the Falcons a logical landing spot, the coach that drafted him -- John Fox -- is looking for defensive help in Chicago. Trevathan sounds game, saying before Super Bowl 50: "Coach Fox is one of the guys that gave me the opportunity to showcase I can fit within the scheme ... I'm sure we'll end up talking." With talented defensive coordinator Vic Fangio in place, the Bears would give Trevathan the chance to star inside a defense that could be on the rise in 2016. -- Marc Sessler

Derrick Johnson back to the Chiefs

Not much can be gleaned from smokescreen season, which lasts from the start of the combine through free agency and the draft. But one thing was incredibly clear when listening to Chiefs general manager John Dorsey: They want Derrick Johnson back in red and yellow.

"We are going to move this thing forward," Dorsey said at the combine after noting that he's already met with Johnson's reps. "Anytime you become the all-time leading tackler for the Chiefs, we're not going to let good football players go in this thing."

Johnson has quietly been one of the best inside linebackers in football over the last decade, and at 33, he was arguably outplayed by only Carolina's Luke Kuechly at the position last year, which is no small feat. The Chiefs not only want him back because he's a franchise legend, but because they need him back to anchor that defense. -- Conor Orr

Marvin Jones to Giants

We'd love to see Victor Cruz make it back from his lingering lower-body issues, but the Giants can't count on it. General manager Jerry Reese needs a legit option to line up across from Odell Beckham Jr., and Marvin Jones is an ascendant talent who has already proven he can be a fine second banana to A.J. Green in Cincinnati. The Giants could create weekly mismatches with Jones facing off against the opponent's second-best cornerback every week. If Cruz regains his form, slide him back into the slot and you've got yourself a formidable set of triplets for Eli Manning. -- Dan Hanzus

Alex Mack to Jaguars

Two years ago, Mack signed an offer sheet with the Jacksonville Jaguars that was matched by the Browns. At the time the center cited the enthusiastic direction of the Jacksonville franchise as the reason for signing the tender. Two years later, he should ink for good with Gus Bradley's squad. Sure, Mack has spoke highly of returning to the Browns and perhaps going to Seattle would give him the best shot at winning, but Jacksonville makes too much sense. More than the money -- we expect Mack to be the highest-paid center, by far, no matter where he lands -- the Jags offer something the Browns can't: a bonafide franchise quarterback. Mack could help Blake Bortles take the next leap into superstardom. The 30-year-old blocker would finally be on an offense loaded with talent. The Jags also need a center to bolster their interior blocking, the offense's biggest issue last season. It almost happened two years ago. It should this time around. --Kevin Patra
Dwayne Allen to Steelers

"Everybody's looking for a Heath Miller, the all-around traditional tight end that can block, can catch," Bruce Arians said last week. Dwayne Allen is that traditional tight end, as referenced Wednesday. If the Steelers land him as Miller's replacement, they can scratch tight end off their shopping list and concentrate on adding secondary help in the early rounds of the draft. -- Chris Wesseling

Do people watch Blake Bortles play? Bonafide franchise QB? What world is this?

Parallel universe or black hole? Take your pick...

If Mack wants a winner, the Jags aren't it. Also, I'd expect the Jags to move at some point in the near future. Wasn't there talk of them moving to London or some place like that?

Anyway, they won 2 games more than us, they are NOT an offensive Juggarnaut either. Defensively, they aren't outstanding either. That's jumping from the fire into the frying pan....

Folks, it's about the money. Whoever pays the most will get Mack and that includes us.

The Jaguars have a stadium lease that lasts until 2030.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/jaguars-essentially-stuck-jacksonville-until-022700805--nfl.html

In order to break the lease, the Jaguars would have to pay off the remaining years.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/earl...ving-to-london/

But yes, for Mack, it is about the money. As it probably should be.

What? No hometown discount? Most would believe that a fabulous salary (9 mil, give-or-take), the camraderie, and to be able to play on one of the league's top units would be sufficient to keep him here. If not, take the money and run...

He has a lot of growth to come, but he did throw the 2nd most (tied at 35 with Palmer, Eli, and Cam) TDs in the NFL.

He was sacked a staggering 51 times. (most in the NFL)

The Jaguars were 27th in rushing in the NFL last year. They ran for 5 TD, tied with us for 2nd worst in the NFL last year. They were 31st in scoring defense, allowing 28 PPG. They didn't give him much help.

People hate that I use stats, but man, the stats show that he has improved dramatically from year 1 to year 2, both stat-wise, and in the eyeball test. His top WRs were 2nd year, former 2nd round pick Allen Robinson, and 2nd year UDFA Allen Hurns.

I wish we had Blake Bortles. I think that he will continue to improve by leaps and bounds, and that he just might be the next great QB in the NFL.

Free-agent bargains: Which players offer most value?

Mitchell Schwartz, offensive tackle

Mitchell Schwartz flew under the radar last season on a bad Browns team, but he's the same right tackle who held Denver's Von Miller to just one assist over 66 snaps during a regular-season tilt. A cerebral and emerging player, Schwartz has the talent to help anchor an NFL line for years to come. -- Marc Sessler

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...ffer-most-value

But yeah, Von Miller went against Thomas most of the game.

Schwartz's agent is really milking that Broncos game for all he can.

I'm not certain that's accurate....Trouble is, I don't know where to check.

Whoever picks him up, including us if we keep him, will pay big time but WHAT A BARGAIN!

If Mack picks a contender, so be it. If he choses another loser for more money then he can...uhhhh....(((Rules of the Pound)))

You know, not addressing this to you, but I see fans vilifying these agents a lot. When in reality, they're only doing the job they were hired to do to the best of their abilities.

So it's wrong for an employee to get paid what the market will bear?

It's funny that fans expect a player to be more loyal to them than he is to the future of his family and his career.

BB is a sorry excuse for a "franchise QB" IMO. Mack can't help him as much as he might make a difference here IMO.

Just with me he is.

Okay........how many offensive snaps did the Browns have in that game? Anyone know? I think this is a case of lazy reporting.

Hired by the player no less. It's like anything else, you hire a guy and let him do his job. I don't get the agent as the bad guy thing either. In fact, I don't think there is a bad guy, just typical business decisions.

And I believe that's part of the problem. Fans have trouble thinking of it as a players job or career first. Is it a sport to us? Yes it is.

But to the owners, GM's, coaches, players and agents, it's a business. The owners have no loyalty to the players and the players owe no loyalty to the owners. It's a business and there are 32 potential employees. That's the bottom line.

browns vs broncos full game on youtube

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gYiKbq-2kI

watching now to see the match up miller vs schwartz..

I love stats.

What were his interception numbers?

http://www.nfl.com/player/blakebortles/2543477/careerstats

there ya go Blake Bortles career stats

Yes. The question is.........did you watch Bortles play last year?