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How come no one [from the team] has called out Bowe? Is this Gilbert thing a young player versus veteran player thing?

Edit: I am not trying to excuse Gilbert's behavior/performance. It's just weird that we have multiple turds on the team and only one gets called out by the "leaders" of the team.

excellent question.

haven't heard a word about that recently.

And if not making the switch would have resulted in the same outcome, then what's the point of debating the Hitner/Ward talks?

It becomes a matter of who do you want? An older vet that can still play and has experienced "winning" or the younger guy that had played well too with upside that fits in with a team that is full of mainly other younger guys in a city that is accustom to losing and has the mindset likely of that?

I mean, you can make points in either direction, but some people (not necessarily referring to you Swish) make it seem like we F'ed up so big by making the switch and hadn't we done it, we'd be having superbowl parades in downtown Cleveland. Least with Donte, we have someone where when they talk in the locker room, those young guys (excluding Gilbert/Manziel lol) likely listen to and respect. I'm not sure how great of a leader TJ was and TJ's entire career up to that point was with a perennial loser, probably a huge plus having a guy that has breathed winning, felt it and has played at a high level for some time in there as opposed.

Player wise, I don't see TJ being the "elite" and Donte being "the underperforming POS" that is demonstrated here, and that's coming from someone who loves (non homo like) both those players!

If we wish to actually debate the TJ verses Whitner thing, we got an equal player that didn't really change anything that cost more money.

That was a FO move which has no reflection on the players. But from a business point of view a lateral move that costs more doesn't seem to be good business.

The FO valued leadership and experience (from winning environments) over young/youthful talent, you indicate it was bad business - I think it made perfect sense. Was it not 2013 or 2014 where we had basically the youngest team player wise (both offense and defense) in the NFL?

I mean is adding veteran leadership a negative or something?

In this instance, I don't see any positive results from it.

Most on here seem to agree that both have produced pretty much the same and it really didn't help our D any. I mean I understand the reasoning, I just disagree that their reasoning panned out.

You could turn around and say they traded a younger player still developing for an older player on the same level.

I just look at the two players and see the same player that cost more money. Can you explain how his leadership has helped our D?

Yes, he's the quarterback of the secondary. Getting people lined up, calling out plays/formations and there was no secret him and Dansby communicated a ton on the field pre-snap.

I'll give you in the end, it didn't result in wins - but that's about all I can give/admit. I see valid points on both sides of the spectrum.

At least we can debate our disagreement in a civil way. I respect that.

Ward wasn't traded.

He would still have to want to study, train, and prepare.

gilbert was an absolute waste of a 1st rd. pick. If motivation and desire doesn't come from within, then you just don't have it. He won't be in the NFL much longer IMO.

I could not agree more with you. Whitner was once one of the hardest hitting safeties in the game when he was with San Fran. Now that he has come back home and got paid he is known as whiffer. He should be part of the house cleaning project going on, as his best days are behind him. And before you all say how good he is, he was panncaked by manning (not eli). Enough said.

Who, besides you just now has ever called him "whiffer"?

Whitner was the most productive DB we had last year.

The bar is so low in Cleveland a cockroach would have trouble getting under it.

As far as Gilbert, he'll be a trivia question several years from now.

just like the corner we drafted in the 2nd a few years back.. lol. I seriously can't remember his name for the life of me.

"He showed flashes on Monday Night Football before Adrian Peterson stiff armed him into the bleachers."

"Who is Eric Wright?"

I think Whit was asked a series of questions about players in one interview. I think he answered them honestly.

You do realize that most of the comments about Gilber came from Kevin Jones and not Whit, right?

Sorry, Eo...

The Eotab curse is something like the Madden curse, but worst. Every player supported by you in the forums seem to never amount to nothing.

:-)

Oh, oh! I trust that was posted to be amusing....

Change amusing to annoying.

It is grammatically a compliment, though. Never amounting to nothing = always amounting to something. For example, Eo was a big Joe Thomas pimp in the '07 draft, IIRC.

Yes specially the part of Eotab having no clue on what I was talking about...

This is a Gilbert discussion right?...

I though so. So when you previously made a thread on how you thought Gilbert was going to have a breaking year, you are supposed to get some heat...

Like when Eo posts about Wr....

Sorry, i forgot the smile again

:-)

You are correct. I missed that first time through...

Well, some people still think an Idiot is a guy who has many ideas...

Whatever makes you happy...

That's an idea.

No.. not Eric Wright.. Wright was pretty damn good for a few seasons.. this other dude didn't do crap as a Brown. Very "Gilber" like... let me look him up.

*edit* my bad.. the guy was a 3rd round pick. Leon McFadden.

Sean Jones!!

Oh ... snap

Humm, I was remembering more Robiskie, MoMass, Hardesty,Eric Wright, etc how drafting a Center was such a good idea when we could have drafted a bona-fide pass rusher, or drafting a OT in a WR draft...

How much you liked RGIII, Charlie Frye, Lauvao (I also liked him), Ted Washington (I remember those discussions) disliked Julio Jones..

Since I can remember you were probably one of the poster who supported more our coaches and FA moves, and you still don't admit you have problems evaluating players....

You're a touch edgy today, r'plan...

'OSU's Justin Gilbert is getting a look in Cleveland Browns OTAs'

http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/os...9fd71a8dee.html

From Staff Reports
Posted: Friday May 20, 2016 1:24 pm

Mary Kat Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports that former Oklahoma State cornerback Justin Gilbert might be getting a fresh start with the Cleveland Browns this offseason after a coaching change.

Gilbert was one of the team's first-round draft picks in 2014. The other, quarterback Johnny Manziel, was cut earlier this offseason.

"With Joe Haden recovering from ankle surgery, Gilbert is getting the first-team reps opposite Tramon Williams," Cabot writes. "Over the past two years, Gilbert, the No. 8 pick in 2014, lost the faith of the coaching staff and some veterans. Last season, he dug himself into a hole and couldn't climb out.

"He was the forgotten man and an apparent bust. But (new Browns head coach Hue) Jackson has wiped everyone's slate clean, and Gilbert has a chance to redeem himself. Maybe he'll still be a bust, but at least he'll get a chance."

"With Gilbert feeling like the coaches have his back, feeling like the players have his back, he's just been working his tail off," said Haden, according to Cabot. "He has all the ability in the world. He's just got to get it done on the field."

I wonder what his problem is... Something psychological, perhaps?

In the end, he can't say he wasn't given a second chance. Good luck, Gilbert....make the most of it, please.

poor guy has a sleeping disorder.. i dont get why people cant give him a break....

I don't think he has a sleeping disorder but don't knock something like that. It's a pretty serious issue and affects just about everything in your life if you have one.

think of everything you heard and tell me why.

I think he is just lazy and isn't putting time into being a professional. If he had a sleeping disorder, again, which I don't think is the case, I would have far more sympathy for him.

I think you're right.

P.S. You can always take over-the-counter and/or prescription meds if you have a problem sleeping. Also, I would think if it was indeed a sleep disorder he would have said something, since it's not a big deal or dirty little secret, as they say.