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Agree, glad I'm not the one responsible for that decision.

Bosa at #2 and don't look back imho.

I don't think he'll be available at #2 to be honest...

If he is gone then I would choose between LT Tunsil, RB Elliot or QBs Goff or Wentz (I'm not high on these QBs though)

I think he will. I think they are going LT at one. Although you never know.

I think one thing we can agree with is that nobody is trading up with Tennessee to take a QB. The Browns shouldn't listen to any of that garbage should it come up. Has 1 ever been traded before? (outside of the Manning/Rivers fiasco)

Then I'll say, if he's there, I'm all in drafting him. We need pass rushers. Nate Orchard, although I think after another offseason, will be better - but I don't think it'll be that much of an improvement. His sacks were plays that he came off the edge untouched.

It'd be great to add a guy that could attack from out or in and has a relentless motor with crazy power - that's Bosa.

Chargers/Falcons Vick/Tomlinson

Pretty similar. . .



And then there's this:



https://twitter.com/dpbrugler/status/704064086103838720

But they're both white defensive ends from the Big 10!

was watt 20 lbs heavier when comparing combine numbers, or a 'right now' comparison?

That's a good question, little bro.

6-5, 290 lbs at his Combine workout ... oh, and get this, his hands are 11-1/8". WTF, why do they measure DE's hands?

http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/j.j.-watt?id=2495488

Hand strength is extremely important for defensive lineman.

i like the thought of Bosa at two. Take Cook later.

I just checked Watt's combine numbers and in every workout Bosa's and Watt's numbers were almost identical except for 2, their verticles: Watt = 37" Bosa = 32" and lifts: Watt = 34 Bosa = 24. Their 40's, long jumps, 3 cone drill, and 20yd shuttle were either the same are only slightly different. Watt was the top DL combine performer in every category except 40 back in 2011 and Bosa was the top DL performer in the broad jump, 3 cone, and 20yd shuttle. Not trying to say Bosa is the next Watt I was just curious after reading this thread what Watt's numbers were.

It is great that Bosa had similar numbers to Watt. He is also 15 pounds lighter. That's crazy.

I pimped Watt something fierce when he was coming out. Early in the season, tab had started a thread on the old board about draft prospects. Watt was my guy. Most had never heard of him. Well, they did later, but it still wasn't enough to convince others.

Look.............I don't think Bosa is as good as Watt. But man, I see some really good things w/this guy and I truly believe he is a much more sure thing than any qb in this draft.

And for crying-out-loud........how can people still diminish the importance of a pass rush after watching this year's playoffs?

And to think we could have had Watt if we hadn't traded with Atlanta.

I think people know it's important, but we also need a bunch of things and they just prefer the QB.

No harm in that.

People may have known Watt was good at the time, no one knew he was a top five defensive player of all time.

I'd love to have Bosa too but I just want to see the QB situation settled for at least a few years and I don't think the difference between Bosa and Wentz/Goff is that big.

Well, one person made that claim. Did you include that on your spread sheet?

I tried, but Joe Banner deleted the files.

LOL.....that was before my man..........Banner.

I do have to say this though. I kinda read your first post too quick.. I never said he would be top 5 of all time. LOL

I just said we should draft the beast.

You're right, you've convinced me. When we vote on who to draft, I'll cast my vote for a DE instead of a QB. That should convince Sashi and the boys.

If they take Bosa then they must have decided none of the quarterbacks are worth taking. If that's the case then I won't have a problem with it. However, if they do believe one of these QB's can become the franchise QB we've longed for since the return then I'm cool with that too. As long as they are right. This is the most important draft we've had since the return.

If we don't draft a QB we damned sure better trade for one or go HARD after Brock Osweiler.

15 pounds is of little concern. For one thing he'll easily gain at least 10 being in a professional weight program and nutritional system. He doesn't seem to have any trouble blowing up offensive linemen at this weight.... Bruce Smith played DE in a 3-4 at 265. I'd for sure start Bosa at DE and if he struggles for a period of time THEN think about moving him. That would be a last resort.

Take the QB if one of them can BE the man. If we have to sit him a year, that's fine if we get our QB of the future. If not, take Bosa and hope we can trade for or sign a QB or three..... We NEED QB talent for this staff to work with. That is what this staff should excel at. Working with QB's is what these guys do.

This comment brings up an issue that I have wanted to talk about. I'm going to post it in the Qb shopping thread since my issue is Qb related and I think we would all rather keep this as a Bosa thread than make yet another Qb thread.

The issue is:

See the Qb shopping thread to find out.

An early QB pick doesn't necessarily solve the QB issues.

If Bosa is there and we've decided none of qbs are worthy of #2 overall, I think it's a no brainer. Take Joey and let him and Kruger wreck havoc this year.

He's everything we wanted outta Nate Orchard in terms of ability to get in the backfield and disrupt things.

You mean like 2015 Peyton Manning?


Unless you think he's not "subpar" ...

Because like everything else in our society it's media driven. The media's focus and hype during the draft is always on QBs and WRs. The mooks who don't stop and think for themselves follow that hype, thinking they're 'on top of it'.

But the media is not the only one's to blame. Needy teams have a history of drafting QBs too high, (link). It's almost like they don't really evaluate the talent realistically but instead choose the best of the bunch high in the 1st round. Right now Wentz and Goff are two most hyped QBs. It doesn't matter that they are likely 2nd round talent, they're the best of the bunch so they are being hyped as top 5 picks. QB needy teams will take them that high fearing someone else will pick them first.

Josh McCown played 8 games, he threw for 2100 yards, 12 TDs, 4 INTs, Comp % 63.7 and a 93.3 rating. Play him. Get another stop-gap QB to go along with him in case of injury.

Fix the defense.

I agree completely.

IF we think one of the QB's are 'The Guy', you take him because it is where biggest talent meets biggest need, but if not, you gotta take the biggest pure talent.

I love Bosa, but I'm not convinced Horton would use him right. Maybe Joey can play OLB, and I like him better there than as a 3-4 DE. Our pass coverage could get interesting, though.

If we don't go Wentz and can't trade down, I'd probably go Ramsey at this point. I'll have to look at Bosa's movement skills more, though.

FWIW, Horton was here Armonty's rookie year and he was 6'4" 265# at the combine and they put him at DE.

I guess someone forgot to tell the Broncos that LOL

The 2016 Broncos, the 2001 Ravens, the 1985 Bears.. about once every 12 to 15 years a really dominant defense carries a mediocre to below mediocre offense/QB to a championship and people use that as a reason you don't have to have a really good to great QB play, ignoring the 12-15 years in between each one where the QB was instrumental in winning the championship.

You get the right QB and put decent pieces around him and you can be really good for 15 years... you get the best defense in the NFL and you have a 2-3 year window to win a championship before the coordinator leaves to be a HC, and they all want more money and you start losing them to FA...

Now a lot of the teams with great QB play who won super bowls ALSO had very good defenses... and that is the way to go...

Give me Bosa or Spence! I think that the Browns can land a quarterback in rounds 2/3 but I hope that if they do draft a quarterback it ain't Cook.

I just cannot recall anyone in recent memory anyone that got double and triple teamed as much as Joey Bosa did. He has heavy hands, he uses them well, he is as strong as any defensive end I've seen. He has a really good, not great, but really good first step.

He's not a one trick pony, he'll go around unathletic tackles and he will go through weak tackles. A lot of guy you see coming out as pass rushers just get up the field, but Bosa can push guys back into the pocket and go around people.


He is getting beaten up in the combine process, but there is no one I've seen who is better in this draft, there just isn't. If we don't go QB and don't trade out, it has to be Bosa.

Unless we start hacking corners and let Gipson walk. I could see Ramsey I guess.

I'm not sold on Bosa @ #2. I just don't think he was that elite player everyone was expecting this year. I'd prefer Buckner over him if we went DE at #2.