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BB did more good than bad last year...stats support that...still not a BB fan tho. but he did fairly well
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I've heard rumblings of Mack getting some in test from texans if they don't sign jones back
I could see foster going to Denver
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Watched it again.
It's hard to tell a lot of the time which side Miller was on from the camera angles but it looks like he was on Scwartz's side more in the first half (2 to 1?) and Thomas's side a little more in the 2nd but still on Mitchell's side more.(3 to 2?)
He was on Schwartz's side for Talib's interception. 2 plays later Miller stuffs a run on Schwartz's side but Barnidge was the blocker on that play.
When Shaquil Barrett crushed McCown with that strip sack he was on Schwartz's side. He came in unblocked but I'm not sure he was Mitchell's responsibility.
Overall Schwartz did well against Miller. I did not see a lot of help from a back or a TE. He just rode Miller to the outside most of the time in a very JT like manner. He did beat Schwartz but whiffed on McCown once in the 4th quarter in what should have been a sack. He also barely missed on a bull rush where Schwartz was still engaged but McCown broke the pocket with about 2 mins left.
You couldn't ask more from a RT in my opinion against a guy like Von Miller.
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yea schwartz did alot better than i thought he did...Miller was dwarfed by him as well...made me smile
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You know, not addressing this to you, but I see fans vilifying these agents a lot. When in reality, they're only doing the job they were hired to do to the best of their abilities. Aye. I'm not really villifying as much as I'm expressing disillusionment with things. An agent is half marketer, half lawyer, half broker....he's the politician selling the bill that gets a fat contract for one of his lobbies. Knowing this, and being mostly jaded about the process, when I see articles repeating things like "Schwartz handled Von Miller all day, for nine weeks, by himself, while wrestling a bear with his other hand", I begin to discount things a bit. I know it's just part of the game they play with negotiations, but I still have disdain for it.
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"Knowing this, and being mostly jaded about the process, when I see articles repeating things like "Schwartz handled Von Miller all day, for nine weeks, by himself, while wrestling a bear with his other hand", I begin to discount things a bit." your comment reminded me of... Born on a mountain top in Tennessee, greenest state in the land of the free Raised in the woods so's he knew ev'ry tree, kilt him a b'ar when he was only three Davy, Davy Crockett, king of the wild frontier! 
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You didn't ask me, but I saw him play a few times, and man, he throws the ball down the field more than probably any QB I can recall. He thinks that he can make every single throw, no matter what the conditions are. I have often said that the truly great QBs don't come to the NFL learning how to attack, they come to the NFL learning that they have to dial their aggressiveness back a bit, and take the easy throws once in a while.
Sit down everyone, but here's another stat ..... Bortles threw almost 40% of his passes this year more than 11 yards in the air. I am not going to check every other QB, but I would darn near bet money that that he was tops in the NFL in that regard. Those are harder passes. When he learns to rein in his arm a little more, and take more of the easy throws when they are available, I think that his completion % will go up, his INTs will go down, and he'll take that next big step towards being a top of the league QB.
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Look at the air yards per attempt though. It looks like he just made a lot of attempts. Same with Ryan.
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Look at the air yards per attempt though. It looks like he just made a lot of attempts. Same with Ryan. He is still in the top half of the league among starting QBs.
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So it's wrong for an employee to get paid what the market will bear?
It's funny that fans expect a player to be more loyal to them than he is to the future of his family and his career. No, it's not "wrong", but my 31 year suffering Browns fan logic says he's a ***** for picking another losing team over his current fans. No sense involved.
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I wonder if Hue will have any interest in Rolando McClain from his time in Oakland. He's a FA, right?
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I wonder if Hue will have any interest in Rolando McClain from his time in Oakland. He's a FA, right? If a person's only experience with Rolando McClain was his time in Oakland, then my guess is that person won't want anything to do with him.
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Interesting article from the time Hue and McClain spent together in Oakland. Hue Jackson Failed Miserably In Handling Rolando McClain by Chris Shellcroft You don’t have to be a film critic to know the flick Battleship is going to sink into Netflix obscurity faster than whatever the next Nick Cage offering is. Just like you didn’t need Kayne West getting sprung on Sex-Tape Kardashian to confirm he’s a douchebag. Some things are just obvious regardless of the ultimate outcome just like I knew from the jump Hue Jackson made a horrendous error in failing to discipline Rolando McClain. Jackson didn’t need to wait until an Alabama judge threw book at McClain to know the underachieving middle linebacker was guilty of any crime. McClain’s infamous arrest photo proved he was guilty of being selfish, ignorant and unconcerned. All of those offenses were worthy of some form of punishment outside of the court ruling. It was Jackson’s haphazard decision to allow McClain to play that likely went a long way in his dismissal. During his first and possibly only season as a head coach Jackson displayed the makings of a leader without a sense of community. He routinely made decisions in a vacuum once Al Davis was no longer around, acting like a god of football when in reality he was a mere mortal. Reggie McKenzie’s firing of Jackson combined with a lack of job prospects has hopefully taught Hue a lesson. Sometimes winning isn’t everything even in the bottom line business of pro football. Sometimes doing the right thing for the team is better than doing the selfish thing for the head coach. For the record Jackson’s decision to allow McClain to play both immediately after his arrest and for the duration of the season didn’t do much for the Raiders. Oakland still crumbled like a stale cookie with their McClain-led defense clearing the path to another .500 season. The Raiders were no better with McClain than they would have been without him. And for good measure Jackson saw his playoff hopes vanish when he threw McClain under the bus for failing to cover All-Galaxy receiver Calvin Johnson at a crucial point in a critical game. McClain never stood a chance at covering Megatron just as Jackson never stood a chance of coaching in Oakland again the second he threw his entire team under the bus once the season finished. Now here are the Raiders at the crossroads with a player that won’t be playing for them for a period of time either due to a jail sentence or a league-mandated suspension. All the while the franchise folded its arms, happy to let McClain play despite his obvious shortcomings as a leader. Thanks for that, Hue Jackson. No wonder the Raiders set an NFL record in penalties on Jackson’s watch. The lack of discipline was just that bad. Jackson didn’t need to wait for a judge to decide if McClain had done wrong. By being involved in a bad situation McClain had proven himself wrong and deserved to have his football privileges revoked. For McKenzie it was a simple decision to rid the franchise of Jackson. Same should go for McClain. No need to wait for the appeals process to play out. We already know all there is to learn of McClain. http://justblogbaby.com/2012/05/19/hue-jackson-failed-miserably-in-handling-rolando-mcclain/
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McClain was a lunatic during his time in Oakland.
Hue Jackson most definitely went power crazy in Oakland after Al Davis died. Let's hope there are people in place so the same thing doesn't happen in Cleveland.
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You've ridiculed posters for posting articles from this site calling them fan blogs, yet call this interesting.
Now that's interesting.
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Ozzie got sick of Mcclain too.
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j/c:
Just to clarify: Players can come to agreements with teams starting tomorrow but can't "officially" sign on the dotted line until March 15, right?
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Hey, I hear Kellen Winslow is making a comeback!
I say we release Gary and get Kellen in here IMMEDIATELY!
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Hey, I hear Kellen Winslow is making a comeback!
I say we release Gary and get Kellen in here IMMEDIATELY!
[/purple font] In all fairness, I still think KW2 was our best TE we've had since coming back. At least at catching the ball. He was a total animal and very underrated at that aspect of the TE position. His knee problems made it so he couldn't block worth a damn I always imagine what Winslow would have been would it not have been for the Butch Davis Put Winlow in on the Onside Kick Attempt, then the motorcycle accident, then the staph infections.......
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Actually they are not suppose to come to any agreement - which is why the rule is a farce as guys get signed 1 minute after the witching hour starts.
They are only suppose to throw numbers around and discuss terms but not "ALLOWED" to come to an agreement.
Its stupid, just move the dated from 9th to 7th???
Mack might be one of the few occasions where it could actually work (assuming he truly wishes to stay here) where we could offer a similar or slightly beat the offers out there for him on the 7th...we can sign him on the 8th if we can agree...other teams cannot.
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Russel Okung doesn't have an agent.
Therefore, because he is representing himself, he can't talk to other teams until Free Agency begins officially.
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It's a shame we are just going to let gipson and swartz walk.......probably Benjamin to. All players in their prime and we are just going to let them walk. Ridiculous. ....
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It's a shame we are just going to let gipson and swartz walk.......probably Benjamin to. All players in their prime and we are just going to let them walk. Ridiculous. .... "Let them walk" As if we aren't trying to re-sign them. Reports are that Schwartz wants to hit the open market no matter what (which is smart, it's how you get the most money). We have been negotiating with Benjamin the entire off-season. And it seems like Gipson wants a huge payday, but we are willing to have him back at the right price. But we are "letting them walk."
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j/c... Here's a good article from Nate Ulrich on who the Browns may target during FA broken down by position groups and which players have previous ties to the current coaching staff. Nate Ulrich: As Browns approach free agency, several players under 30 with ties to coaches are worth watchingThere are some things we know about the new regime of the Browns that offer clues about how it’ll handle free agency, which unofficially begins when agents are permitted to enter negotiations with teams at noon Monday and officially kicks off when contracts are allowed to be executed at 4 p.m. Wednesday. 1. The Browns are in serious danger of losing four key impending unrestricted free agents — three-time Pro Bowl center Alex Mack, 30, right tackle Mitchell Schwartz, 26, wide receiver Travis Benjamin, 26, and former Pro Bowl free safety Tashaun Gipson, 25. They’re cornerstones of the team, but the franchise doesn’t want to overpay for them. “I don’t think we want to be players in that type of situation because at the same time that’s going to give somebody else another opportunity to come in and play for us,” coach Hue Jackson said Thursday at the Cleveland Auto Show. “I don’t want to lose any of our free agents. I will say that again — I really don’t. But if we do, then that’s a scenario that we have to be ready for.” 2. Although the Browns want the NFL Draft to be their bread and butter for building, they would like to sign two or three starters in free agency. “That would be one of the goals,” Jackson said Thursday. 3. A new coaching staff likes to acquire free agents who have previously played for it. Jackson said Feb. 24 at the NFL Scouting Combine he values free agents who have played in his system, provided they’re the right fit. 4. With the Browns committed to analytics, one criterion for being the right fit is age. “We do want to make sure that as we’re adding players, we’re adding young players,” head of football operations Sashi Brown said Tuesday on the team’s radio show. So don’t expect them to sign players in their 30s, unless it’s a cheap, short-term deal. Mack might be among the few possible exceptions. 5. The Browns could use help at virtually every position. “There’s a lot of holes,” Jackson conceded Thursday. Keeping those factors in mind, below is a breakdown of the Browns’ primary needs with free agency around the corner. All players listed are younger than 30 and set to become unrestricted free agents. Ties to the Browns’ coaching staff are noted in parenthesis. Keep an eye on those players in particular. Quarterback
Best availableBrock Osweiler, 25, Denver; Chase Daniel, 29, Kansas City; Case Keenum, 28, Los Angeles. Prediction: The Browns will draft a quarterback — North Dakota State’s Carson Wentz or California’s Jared Goff — second overall on April 28. They have been linked to Osweiler, but the Broncos will retain him. Linebacker
Best availableOutside: Bruce Irvin, 28, Seattle; Aldon Smith, 26, Oakland; Nick Perry, 25, Green Bay; Mike Neal, 28, Green Bay; O’Brien Schofield, 28, Atlanta (played for defensive coordinator Ray Horton when he held same role in Arizona). Inside: Danny Trevathan, 25, Denver; Rolando McClain, 26 (drafted by Oakland when Jackson was offensive coordinator); Jerrell Freeman, 29, Indianapolis (associate head coach-offense Pep Hamilton on staff); Demario Davis, 27, New York Jets (outside linebackers coach Ryan Slowik on staff); Vincent Rey, 28, Cincinnati (Jackson on staff); Zach Brown, 26, Tennessee (Horton on staff). Other familiar faces: outside linebackers Sam Acho, 27, Bears (drafted by Arizona when Horton was defensive coordinator); Emmanuel Lamur, 26, Cincinnati (Horton on staff); and Steven Johnson, 27, Tennessee (Horton on staff). Prediction: The Browns add an inside linebacker in free agency, with part-time starter Craig Robertson headed for the open market, and draft an edge rusher. Offensive line
Best availableCenter: Stefen Wisniewski, 26, Jacksonville (drafted by Oakland when Jackson was head coach); Ben Jones, 26, Houston; Tim Barnes, 27, Los Angeles; J.D. Walton, 28, San Diego. Right tackle: Ryan Schraeder, 27, Atlanta; Andre Smith, 29, Cincinnati (Jackson on staff); Joe Barksdale, 28, San Diego (drafted by Oakland when Jackson was head coach). Prediction: The Browns retain Mack or Schwartz and replace the other in free agency. Jackson drafted Wisniewski and Barksdale in the second and third rounds, respectively. Wide receiver
Best availableMarvin Jones, 25, Cincinnati (Jackson on staff); Rueben Randle, 24, New York Giants; Mohamed Sanu, 26, Cincinnati (Jackson on staff); Rishard Matthews, 26, Miami; Jermaine Kearse, 26, Seattle. Another familiar face: Darrius Heyward-Bey, 29, Pittsburgh (starter for Oakland when Jackson was head coach). Prediction: The Browns will let Benjamin slip away and sign one of the Bengals. They’ll also draft a receiver, even if Josh Gordon lessens the need by being reinstated. Defensive back
Best availableSafety: George Iloka, 25, Cincinnati (Jackson on staff); Walter Thurmond, 28, Philadelphia; Rodney McLeod, 25, Los Angeles; Isa Abdul-Quddus, 26, Detroit; Tyvon Branch, 29, Kansas City (starter for Oakland when Jackson was head coach). Cornerback: Janoris Jenkins, 27, Los Angeles; Casey Hayward, 26, Green Bay; Sean Smith, 28, Kansas City; Prince Amukamara, 26, New York Giants; Patrick Robinson, 28, San Diego; Nolan Carroll, 29, Philadelphia; Jerraud Powers, 28, Arizona; Other familiar faces: cornerbacks Coty Sensabaugh, 27, Tennessee (Horton on staff) and Jamell Fleming, 26, Kansas City (drafted by Arizona when Horton was defensive coordinator). Prediction: Gipson leaves, and the Browns sign his successor. There’s much more depth at cornerback than free safety in this year’s draft class. Tight end
Best availableLadarius Green, 25, San Diego (drafted by San Diego when offensive line coach Hal Hunter was offensive coordinator); Dwayne Allen, 26, Indianapolis (Hamilton on staff); Coby Fleener, 27, Indianapolis (Hamilton on staff); Jermaine Gresham, 27, Arizona (starter for Cincinnati with Jackson on staff). Prediction: The Browns sign a No. 2 tight end to pair with Pro Bowler Gary Barnidge. Other positions they could target in free agency: Defensive line, running back, kicker. Article
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Nate Ulrich is really good at his job. That's about how I see it as well. I think Mack will be the one we keep. Scwartz is a little easier to replace.
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Scwartz is a little easier to replace. We should replace him with Mitchell Sc Hwartz.
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Scwartz is a little easier to replace. We should replace him with Mitchell Sc Hwartz. And hopefully for less than the GDP of Canada.
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My twitter feed is expected to explode now....
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Was just about to post this.
I'm not sure I'm happy letting Benjamin go and signing Jones.
We'll have to see what price tags both go for I guess.
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Quite a post this. Looks like many new faces are on the way. Mack means more to me than RT Schwartz if push comes to shove. I think we need to upgrade the wideouts; if that means no Benji, so be it. Part of me would like to see how he gets used in a new offensive attack. But not curious if that is at a huge price tag.
If we get the QB at two, would you trade up for help at WR or DL or OLB? I think the FA frenzy will really clarify the draft options and how we can jigger our picks around. The FA group looks very good to me.
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Miami appears to be axing Brent Grimes. I recall where alot of people wanted that corner.
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Miami appears to be axing Brent Grimes. I recall where alot of people wanted that corner. I'd try to trade for his current contract. If they are going to cut him, we could offer a low round pick. He's got 2 years left at $9.5 mil and $8.5 mil. He could be cut or traded easily next year if it didn't work out. They may even take Tramon Williams off our hands for him. Miami wants to get rid of him because his wife is a headcase that has been criticizing the front office. He's still a very good corner though.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...ed-free-agents/Browns tender Terrelle Pryor, three other restricted free agents Posted by Josh Alper on March 7, 2016, 2:23 PM EST Wide receiver Terrelle Pryor spent some time working with Browns coach Hue Jackson when both were with the Bengals and the Browns want the two men to work together again during the 2016 season. The Browns announced that they have tendered Pryor as a restricted free agent at the original round level. That sets Pryor up to make $1.671 million and gives the Browns the right to match any offer that other teams might make for him. If they don’t, they’ll get a third-round pick as compensation because Pryor entered the league as a third-round pick of the Raiders in the 2011 supplemental draft. Pryor had one catch for 42 yards and lost a yard on his one carry in three games with the Browns, who cut Pryor at the end of camp before bringing him back later in the season. The Browns also tendered defensive back Don Jones, offensive lineman Austin Pastzor and linebacker Scott Solomon at the same level. Jones and Solomon were seventh-round picks while Pastzor was undrafted, so the team would only have the right to match an offer that comes his way. The team also announced that they have re-signed linebacker Tank Carder, who was eligible to become an unrestricted free agent, and tendered exclusive rights free agents defensive lineman Jamie Meder and running back Raheem Mostert.
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