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Fixed it for you.

Danny Trevathan, Malik Jackson, Rodney McLeod, George Iloka, Damon Harrison, Nick Fairley, Casey Hayward, Bruce Irvin, and Janoris Jenkins are all young and available.

ill take Jackson, Iloka, Irvin, and Jenkins for 40 million Alex.

One of the guys I mentioned would be fine (although some are not really fits).

I wish we ran a 4-3.

I'm tired of trying to convert people to different positions and schemes in whatever kind of 3-4 were running that week.

Most teams runs some variation of the 3-4 at this point, so it's really not much of a stretch.

I like both too. At #2 hate passing on either Bosa or Buckner. DeForest I think is a smidgen better in the 3-4. I would not argue if Browns select either one. I am assuming Cleveland signs Brock Osweiler. Otherwise, I don't have an answer for the QB.

With the second pick, I really like if Browns just fix the CBs, if not Fuller, then someone else. It may be a bit overkill if current corners step it up this year.

Having Buckner, Shelton, and Bryant makes a pretty solid starting staff with plenty of depth for rotation/situational lines.

Having a well established front line I believe makes the LBs better. Rotating Mingo, Kruger, and Orchard on the outside keeps the offense guessing. Who knows if Orchard makes a nice leap his second year.

Browns will still need to address the LBs, but DL and DB is the strength in this draft. It's best taking advantage.

Safety is a bit of a puzzle. I like Poyer and Gipson. Tough paying Gipson top money when he is unable to play a whole season last two years. I think Gipson wants to move on not getting paid last season. I wouldn't be shocked if Campbell replaces Whitner by seasons end. If anything, they make a nice rotation at strong.

Once again another Cleveland off season with a bunch of maybes with nothing proven!

Rewatched some Clemson games. Mackensie Alexander is a stud, but he needs to shut up. He's the type of guy that's gonna get flagged for taunting. I like my CBs being cocky and arrogant just like my QBs, because it's a position where you need to be supremely confident in yourself. However, he kind of reminds me of Pierre Garçon or Richard Sherman where he ALWAYS has something to say.

I agree with that.

Just when I picture a "great defense" I picture a 4-3. Pass Rushing DEs. A big Thumper MLB. Etc.

Instead of doing that, just picture two beasts coming off the edge with two more beasts inside them killing offensive line.

Then go watch highlights from the AFC Championship Game and Super Bowl and see it for real with Von Miller, DeMarcus Ware, Malik Jackson, and Derek Wolfe.

QB @ 2? DL @ 2? Goff or Wentz @ 2? Bosa or Ramsey @ 2?

What I want is to draft a player that contributes to the long term success of the team. I don't care which direction they choose as long as it gets us out the this rut! We have had an abysmal record at drafting in the 1st round, and the last 2 years, with 4 picks all missing, have really hurt us badly. JUST GET IT RIGHT! Whether it's a QB or defense, let's get an impact player who makes a major contribution to changing the losing culture.

Yep, the Browns are desperately in need of true impact players.

The culture aspect is one of the reasons I'm leaning QB. The QB is basically the guy who sets the whole tone of the team. Those guys are the natural leaders, and this team needs better leadership. I really like what I hear about Wentz in that respect.

If we don't go QB, I'm thinking Ramsey. I think he could be that long term Ed Reed type leader of a secondary.

I don't think Bosa really has a strong leadership presence. He wasn't voted a team captain, and I don't know, he just has a really "chill" attitude. His signature celebration is a shrug. He's a great player, but I think this team needs more than players.

With the whole leadership/intangibles idea on my mind, the Ohio State player I'd like to pick up is Josh Perry. I'm not sure where.

No no no no no drafting guys who have never experienced having to overcome losing is a sure way to be stuck in a losing culture. Colt McCoy, Brady Quinn, Brandon Weeden, Vince Young, every USC QB after Palmer, all of them have been guys that stepped into winning situations in college and rode through their career with over a .750 winning percentage then got to the pros and basically had a mental breakdown over being unable to handle losing. Just no.

Hell, look at Manziel.

Who do we draft then?

Ramsey- National Championship
Bosa- National Championship

Wentz did have to deal with an injury, and responded well. You can only respond to what you have to respond to. At least we know he can handle success and not think he's arrived.

Are you saying draft Goff because he's proven he can lose lots of games?

I think you want winners, but guys who keep working even when they are winning.

Agreed! He plays OLB at a high level, maintains a high GPA, and the center of his universe is his autistic brother. I don't see much attention paid to him, but I would love to see the Browns draft him.

Goff was 1-11 at Cal as a freshman! Sign him up!

For my money we draft an impact player who will start immediately and make a difference, preferably on defense. I'd rather go that route and solve a problem, fill a hole, rather than pick a QB at #2 knowing that the success rate is 50% at best.

If that QB succeeds then great. If he doesn't then we just took a step backward right when we desperately need a step forward.

We can take a chance later in the draft on whomever. But with our track record of unsuccessful 1st Round Draft picks we need to hit one big time. We need to not outsmart ourselves nor reach on a player in that round. We need to start this new regime with a successful 1st Round pick.

Throughout last season I rarely found myself watching the games thinking we need an upgrade at QB. Sure we do, but that wasn't the problem perplexing me. I found myself thinking we need to fix this defense!

The whole world wanted to fire O'Neil because the defense sucked so bad. Then, when we get a chance to add an impact, difference maker on defense the world wants a QB, , any QB so long as we take him at #2, (where's that puking smiley when ya need one?)

If we take a QB at #2 I'll climb on board and back him 110%. But I do hope I don't have to do that for a 2nd or 3rd round talent drafted #2 Overall.

Really, I don't understand the meaning of a strikethrough comment.

Because I can't delete it.

Aren't there enough QB threads? Did you read the title of this thread?

It's most important at QB.

It's OK to win ,just not the guys who step into winning situations and ride the wave. Having your 4-time defending champ team go undefeated 8 straight games when you are out and landing in the championship is the definition of riding the wave.

Says the guy who was talking about draft class CB, complaining that people don't ridicule Gilbert and T. Williams enough, Joe Haden being a question mark, etc. in a thread about Jordan Poyer.

Didn't you read the title of that thread??

I truly believe our best bang for the buck situation is working the trade down. I was never a big fan of this draft class to begin with while there are some quality players, there just arent many that make me go Wow and at 2. I want wowed.

Play up the QBs and talk about we need a lot of things and it could entice a 49ers team into moving up for Goff. In this draft you can get the same quality of prospect late first early 2nd as you can at the top. There is very little drop off.

Hell I would be inclined to move down a couple of times. Spence, Treadwell, Lynch, vernon Butler, Michael thomas, Derrick Henry

These are just some of the talent that is gonna be available in that area. I wwould love to get 3 or 4 of those guys in a Browns uni. Move back Move back move back and unload.

I think that's a good strategy.

I agree. I think that a lot of the guys have question marks. Not just the qbs, but other guys too. I think it's a pretty deep draft at a few positions and the Browns could pick up quality players that can help in areas of need.

As much as I would like a franchise qb, an impact pass rusher, or a game-changing WR......I just think the guys who play those positions and are being considered w/the first few picks all come w/a fair amount of risk.

If we go thar route, I would rather pick up extra next year. I think next year is goiti be a very tslented draft. At least at the top if the draft. But not at qb though.

Unless Rosen comes out early.

I thought rozen was a true freshman and cannot come out until the 2018 draft at earliest

I agree with you for once. Pigs really do fly.

IMHO Tunsil is the most sure fire pick in this draft and Tenny would be ignorant to move down and lose him. Mariota needs him.

Bosa, Buckner, Ramsey, Jack are all nice players but none scream guaranteed stud. I would venture to say take Ragland right in there with those guys and he's projected mid-late 1st round.

I'll tell you what very well may happen if we DON'T take Wentz or Goff at 2. We'll be looking at guys like Osweiler, Kap, RGIII and now we've got some guy suggesting trading for noodle arm McCarron? Really? And we'll be stuck in this revolving QB scenario for years again.

We sit at 2. We've got a team ahead of us who doesn't want a QB. We have our choice and there are 2 legit prospects. Take the one we like best and move onto the defense at 32 and beyond.

There's 2 common denominators with this team the last 16 years.

1) Coaching and FO changes way too frequently.
2) JUNK AT QB.

The opportunity to change all of this is now.

There's one hire that Huey has made that is mentioned very infrequently and could be the best hire we've made. Al Saunders.

Take the QB and end this BS for once. We've been spinning wheels looking for a QB for 16 years. Get the QB at 2 and we may not need to spin wheels for the next 16 years. The stars have aligned.

I had thought college players were eligible to enter the draft after 2 yrs of college ball, but a check of the rules shows they must be 3 yrs removed from HS. So I stand corrected.

Explain.

Bosa, Ramsey and Jack have HOF potential talent. Buckner can too, but he needs to improve his technique.

Eric, is that you?

We need more 6th round picks!

I was hoping we could reacquire Eric Barton.