DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Everything Else... The Presidential Primaries III

and on we go...

Trump
Cruz
Kasich
Rubio
Bernie
Hillary

And now for something completely different...

Saudi Candid Camera Show...

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3f4_1457101282

Haha

Ha Ha my butt! Thats nuts!

I thought y'all were the party of personal responsibility and being held accountable for your actions?

Republican blames Trump’s rise on Obama’s level-headedness

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/republican-blames-trumps-rise-obamas-level-headedness


If something bad happens, anywhere in the world, chances are pretty good that some creative Republicans will come up with a way to blame those developments on President Obama. It’s a skill the GOP has honed over the last seven years, and the party has become quite adept in this area.

Naturally, then, it was sadly predictable that Republicans would even manage to blame Donald Trump’s rise on the rascally Democratic president. Obama, we’re now supposed to believe, is even responsible for the attitudes Republican primary and caucus voters have towards their own party’s candidates.

The argument has been slowly percolating in GOP media circles in recent weeks, touted by the New York Times’ Ross Douthat and the editorial board of the Wall Street Journal, among others. Blaming the radicalization of Republican politics is hard; blaming the president they hold in contempt is easy; so many on the right are naturally gravitating towards the latter.

But leave it to Bobby Jindal – a failed presidential candidate, a prominent Marco Rubio supporter, and one of the worst and least effective governors in modern American history – to write an op-ed taking the argument to its silliest conclusion.
Let’s be honest: There would be no Donald Trump, dominating the political scene today if it were not for President Obama.

I believe that voters tend to act in open-seat presidential elections to correct for the perceived deficiencies of the incumbent…. After seven years of the cool, weak and endlessly nuanced “no drama Obama,” voters are looking for a strong leader who speaks in short, declarative sentences.
At a certain level, picking on Bobby Jindal almost seems cruel. The man’s failures were so humiliating, his governing agenda bombed so catastrophically, his electoral defeats were so crushing, that he’s probably better left ignored – except to serve as a model to others as how not to be a competent public official.

But this notion that Obama must be blamed for Trump will probably linger for a while, so Jindal’s debacles notwithstanding, let’s go ahead and note the most glaring flaws in the former governor’s argument.

There’s some truth to the idea that voters, after eight years of one president, tend to look to a very different kind of leader. With this in mind, in the broadest possible sense, it’s best not to dismiss Jindal’s framing out of hand: Obama and Trump are, in fact, opposites.

Where the president is mature, Trump is a buffoon. Where Obama is smart and knowledgeable, Trump is careless and ignorant. Where the president is honest; Trump deceives. Where Obama appeals to the public’s intellect and the better angels of our nature, Trump’s candidacy is built on an ugly foundation of resentment and division.

But Jindal’s thesis nevertheless falls short on two points. The first is that the right-wing Republican is convinced that the president “created the very rancor he now rails against.” For Jindal, it wasn’t Republican extremism, or GOP officials’ refusal to cooperate or compromise with the president on any issue that created a toxic political climate, it was the president’s partisan and ideological agenda.

By any objective measure, those who’ve been conscious for the last seven years probably recognize Jindal’s observation as delusional.

The second, and perhaps more important, flaw in the Louisianan’s argument is what it expects of Democratic voters. As Jon Chait joked, “This is your fault, Democrats. If you had elected a red-faced, racist bullying lout as president, then Republicans would be reacting today by rallying around somebody who’s intellectual, humble, and non-abusive, and we’d all be in fine shape. But nooooooo. You had to nominate a wonkish, emotionally controlled law professor, forcing Republicans to turn to an unhinged racist reality-television star in response.”

Sure, GOP voters could be more responsible, but as Jindal sees it, they have no real choice – historical models must be honored, even unconsciously, and if Democrats chose a mature and capable leader, Republicans are instinctively obligated to rally behind a childish fool.

With wisdom like this, is it any wonder Jindal’s approval rating in his Deep South red state reached a cringe-worthy 27%?

Trump said today that he had supported and helped finance McCaine and he lost.

Trump said he had supported and helped finance Romney and he lost.

Trump said he wasted all that money for nothing and swore the next time he would do it himself!

So far he has done just that.

Today these States will be voting...

Kansas

Kentucky

Louisiana

Maine

Klantucky!! we already know who's winning that state.

J/C ... Trump said, today, that the camera operators covering his event are the most dishonest people you will ever find. Anyone who doesn't do exactly what he wants, or who disagrees with him, are not conscientious in their disagreement with him or his positions, or just doing their jobs ...... but instead are all just dishonest. Trump complains about pothers attacking him, but he was the one who started attacking the other candidates.

I get that people are angry, but this guy is an absolute joke. He takes one position one day, and the next he changes his mind .... and he does this constantly .... and yet his supporters just go "OK, but I'm still voting for him". I truly don't get it.

because the people that support him have the same moral character, or lack thereof.

if anybody on this board is a trump supporter, then yea i'm talking about you.

the "he isn't a politician" isn't a good excuse.

blaming it on other people, parties, or other groups isn't an excuse.

the guy is an absolutely a trashy person.

and you know what? i rather vote for the status quo than a guy that sounds like hitler.

I'm a Trump supporter btw

congrats.

Not arguing with you but the thing is Swish, all the other candidates, from both parties, are just as bad, only in a different way. Lying, self-serving crooks that don't look out for the best interests of the people. They look out for the best interests of those who gave them the money to be elected. That and holding fast to party lines instead of simply doing what is right.

Everybody complains about politicians, but when faced with a Trump they cry out that he's not enough like them. One thing Trump has done is shown how fed up people are with the status quo.

I don't expect Trump to become President, but I do expect some things to change because of what he's taught politicians about what people think of them. What I hope doesn't change is in the future they try to become just like him after seeing the support he gets by acting that way.

The other candidates said they will endorse Trump if he is the Republican Nominee. Why? They all have spent a great deal of their breath telling everyone why Trump is in no way qualified to be President, even to the extent of proclaiming they'll do anything necessary to keep him out of it. Yet, they'll support him because he's Republican.

I'd have thought at least one of them would have stood up for what he believed and said, "No, I'll not support Trump. As I said many times, he's not qualified." I think that would have gone a long way in showing some balls and honesty. They all complain about how Trump changes his stance on issues. They all just did the same thing and don't even see it. No one sees it. They weren't even questioned on it because supporting your party lines is considered the expected/right thing to do. Trump has caused the GOP to reveal themselves what's worst about them.

All this is why I typically stay out of political talk, because... political.

I feel you bro.

But the people supporting Trump is simply not an appropriate response to this cluster we call a government.

the initial appeal of trump? i can't blame the people for wanting something different.

but the initial phase is over with. it's time to actually look at trump for who he is.

for example, when the trump/hitler comparisons came out, i blew it off as typical mainstream media trying to correlate some coincidental stuff as a way to mud sling.

but then when the comparisons kept coming, and from BOTH parties, and then the statements trump is saying started lining up with some oddly similar stuff that hitler was saying.

at that point, it became real.

i agree with you man, and i said it before, they are all a bunch of venomous snakes.

but at least i can somewhat sleep at night knowing that i'm not gonna vote for the racist, sexist, xenophobic snake.

because those are the biggest morals taught to me:

be tolerant and accepting of everyone, even those that you don't agree with.
Don't be racist
treat women as equals.
and understand that everybody has the same daily problems in life, no matter race, culture, or religion.

Trump absolutely goes against what i stand for as a man.

We've brought this upon ourselves.

Cruz projected to win Kansas. surprise surprise. not.

I'm quickly becoming one.

Once the left wing stoners start coming out, questioning our Moral fiber, then I will know Trump is the man!

Cruz wins in Maine.

So Cruz wins the CPAC straw poll, Kansas and Maine. Maybe the R's are finally going, "oh crap, what have we been doing?".

Hope to God you're right.

This is blowing up in the face of the Republican Establishment as they are trying to push voters toward their boy Rubio.

Cruz is considered the other outsider as he has fought over the years with the establishment.

What a show!

Bernie with a big win in Nebraska!

Republican race is almost a 2 man race between Cruz and Trump.

Some strategists say Rubio should drop out before Florida so Cruz has a chance to win it. If he stays in, he may hand Florida to Trump.
Kasich needs Ohio and to pull a rabbit out of the hat in some other places to have any hope.

[quote]Cruz is considered the other outsider as he has fought over the years with the establishment.
/quote]

Kinda why I don't understand how he's not doing better than he is so far. I support him because he went to Washington and did what he said he'd do when he ran.

He's head and shoulders above Trump as far as character goes. Hopefully things are going to go his way now.

So far Cruz has done well in Caucus States and they are running out. He will have to start winning Primaries to catch and pass Trump.

Louisiana goes to Hillary!

Trump wins the Louisiana Primary!

Must still be hung over from Mardi Gras.

The big loser tonight is Rubio, the establishments son.

Hope to God he gets a clue and supports Ted. As I've said before, most guys named Ted are very smart and reasonably good looking.

But do they wear little Mario boots?

Well, you DID say "most"...

And quite often, Wise.

Damn clem! You got me good! Well done my friend!

Back at ya my friend!

No, they wear big Texas cowboy boots!
(incidentally, I was born on Ft. Hood which is in Texas)

Did General Lee congratulate your folks?

He did not. Guy didn't even show up at my birth! Snooty southerner!

You gotta be 'of a certain age' to get that joke....

Yep!