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I totally disagree with PS on the issue of a good quality veteran QB being an absolute need in the mix on any roster... This means I disagree with most on this thread... This is cool... 
The experience, leadership, poise and knowing that if the young stud goes down or needs more time, you have a proven guy to come in and get the job done... Win... The Browns haven’t had this for going on two seasons...
they haven't really used dorsey either Anderson won as many games as you would expect a backup to win...
IMO this is flawed and unproven thinking and football phylosophy. Veterans OB's help immensely off the field, in the film room, before during and after practice and the same on game days... People whom have played & coached, have been there know how important/valuable a quality veteran/mentor player is to any team.
The list that was given regarding OB's that didn't have mentors or vets to help can be easily refuted... If you we go back and look at who was actually on those rosters when those HOFers were coming along, you'll see some veteran QB's in the mix...
I did the work so show me what you are talking about... I went back and looked at the roster. are you saying I missed something? (it's possinbe) 
My QB list is; #1 BQ, #2 veteran, #3 CF... The rest are roster fodder, just camp arms... IMO.
I think the Yankee's are figuring out that you can't have all star players that are riding the bench. Same goes for the Browns. you can't have 3 starter material QB's with 2 riding the bench. one needs to be of a backup/starter quality and the third needs to hold the clipboad and possibly backup the backup. There are 2 reasons that I can think of why this is true... the cap doesnt' allow it and the players pride won't either. I know this doens't relate but it kinda does... I wouldn't play on a baseball team where I am not the best short stop on the team. Two things would happen before the season started... One I'd get better then the person trying to take my spot. If I didn't start there is no way in hell I am going to play for that team. I'm too good and I know another team could use me. Luckily this has never happened.  The players are the same way... they want to play and they want to compete. They are too good not to.
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Well yes, of course I understand team building and I understand having indians to go with chiefs and all,,
But again, I must have taken a really really big stupid pill last night, because to me, all of that doesn't make CF or DA any more tradeable..
I guess my point is, for all the things said, NO WAY is Dorsey the QB that either DA or CF are at this point. And based on his time in preseason last year and as a starter for the 49ers a few years back (that's a real weak argument cause he was a rookie on a bad team) he has shown nothing.
SO I'm back to believing that people are saying that Dorsey should stay and either DA or CF should be released or traded is because some on here have a hatrid for CF. THey just throw DA in to cover that up a little.
But that's JMO,, in the whole scope of life, My Opinion isn't worth anything!
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I still contend we need a vet. Nuances don't teach themselves.
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explain a little more?
Im saying that while Dorsey might be a good teacher, what does he have to teach as far as NFL experience,a nd what to expect. He has basically no frame of refference.
Things that happen, live, at game speed aren't the same as in practice and mini camps. I would like to have a battle tested vet to teach players about how they should react, how they should think, when adverse situations arise.
Things Dorsey knows nothing about.
Dorsey has started games... enough for it to slow down for him. Many of the QB's I listed off didn't win too many games they hardly (if) ever started any games and some never threw a single TD. Dorsey has thrown in one year More TD's then most of the vet's with 8, He's thrown 1231 yards ine one year. He threw the ball 226 times with 123 competions in one year. That's a lot better then most of what we've seen out of these other players. So don't you think that we've got a guy who is what you are asking for? I do...
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we dont need Dorsey...
i doubt very seriously that Frye or Anderson listen to anything he has to say when it comes to football...
why? he's started more games then Anderson He's thrown plenty of TD's... He's played in games... I'm sure they listen to him. Plus Doresy is smarter then them.
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I don't think you are stupid. I do think you say that when you are trying to insinate that another poster is stupid. *L* It's as if what they are saying is so "out-there" that you can't even begin to rationalize it. Once again----------subtle.
I am not a Charlie hater, but I can understand keeping Dorsey over Charlie or Anderson, if Dorsey is indeed, a great mentor. I'm not saying the Browns will do this or that I would do it.........but, I can understand it.
Personally, I would let Anderson walk. I would let Charlie start this year and I would not back down no matter what the stupid fans and media said. And then I would give BQ every opportunity to win the job in year 2. I do believe that is the plan the Browns have in mind right now, but Lord knows, they have abandoned quite a few plan over the last few years.
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I would have cut Dorsey the same day we drafted Quinn. He is wasting space on the roster and will never amount to anything of value for us. He is expendable....and as 'tab said we won't carry 4 QBs.....
I personally think Anderson is the Odd man out or CF(leaning more to Anderson). CF might play thru his rookie contract but I think they will cut Anderson. Dorsey is too valueable to be cut from this team. The QB coach only has to coach 2 players right now... If we cut Dorsey he probably has to coach 3 and one is the Starter.
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Dorsey is too valueable to be cut from this team. The QB coach only has to coach 2 players right now... If we cut Dorsey he probably has to coach 3 and one is the Starter.
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I don't think you are stupid. I do think you say that when you are trying to insinate that another poster is stupid. *L* It's as if what they are saying is so "out-there" that you can't even begin to rationalize it. Once again----------subtle.
Unless I make an honest error or mistatement, I usually say exactly what I mean,,, and I meant, that since so many knowledgable fans such as yourself and Peen seem to think there is a place for Dorsey, then I must be stupid, cause I just don't see it,,
Nothing more was meant,,, but read into it whatever you will!
I just can't make a case for Dorsey staying. I can make a case for Anderson cnd I certainly can make a case for Frye. Trading either isn't going to get us anything with more value (for this team) then they provide.
Dorsey may be a great guy on the sidelines, he may be a great guy in the locker room, he may be one heck of a smart guy, but what are you going to feel lilke if we are down to our third QB and he has to go in?
My guess is that we will all be ready to slice our throats in that event. Whereas with either Frye or Anderson, all is not necessarly lost.
Again, just my opinion!
Oh, and it's also my opinion that the best man should start. But I would, like you, prefer that the Browns resist all the screaming from fans or media to insert Quinn before he's ready....
Once ready, then yeah,, heck yeah. But not before!
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I would have cut Dorsey the same day we drafted Quinn. He is wasting space on the roster and will never amount to anything of value for us. He is expendable....and as 'tab said we won't carry 4 QBs.....
I personally think Anderson is the Odd man out or CF(leaning more to Anderson). CF might plH{ thru his rookie contract but I think they will cut Anderson. Dorsey is too valueable to be cut from this team. The QB coach only has to coach 2 players right now... If we cut Dorsey he probably has to coach 3 and one is the Starter.
And just a difference of opinion, I think #9's the odd man out. Especially if Ron Mexico gets arrested for the dogfighting ring. I could see a trade to the Falcons.
Word is he's not looking too hot in OTA's. I know he's still got time, but I'm iffy on him.
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Trading either isn't going to get us anything with more value (for this team) then they provide.
It is redundant talent to a degree. If what people say about Dorsey is true, then he brings a component that is otherwise missing.
As far a winning games on the field, Dorsey probably isn't as good as the other....even is not(but none of us have really seen much of the guy) but he can help us win in other ways, and to me that is important.
A threesome including Dorsey makes us stronger as a team than a threesome without. A thrid man of Frye or Anderson is a waste of a spot because he is never really going to get to play and he doesn't bring anything to the filmroom or practice field that is going to have any real value other than if out first two qbs go down. To me, planning for that is planning for failure above and beyond what is realistic.
So, that being said and understanding the situation with Quinn on the roster, that is why I don't think it that far out of the question we keep 4 qbs this year if one of Anderson or Frye can't be moved. When I say good chance, I am not talking 80% or anything. It might be 50/50....which is a good chance considering the normal chances are probably some fraction of 1%.
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One other thing......part of being a good back-up is understanding the role and being able to accept that role. I think Dorsey understands that and is ready and willing to spend 12 years as a bench player.
I don't get the feeling Anderson and Frye are in that mind-set yet.
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Dorsey may be able to help the other Qb's learn Chud's offense. I don't think he has much value as a player, but he can help bring Frye and Anderson up to speed.
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Lets not forget this...Dorsey also has a history with Chud, his offensive philosophy and actually running his offense - be it possibly watered down a little. But if I remember correctly it was always considered a good NFL offense that Chud ran in Miami.
But it might be Dorsey is the Veteran needed for this offense to mentor Quinn - It doesn't necessarily need to be somebody who's been in the NFL 8 years + as opposed to his 4. As mentioned he is highly intelligent and does fall in that bracket of those who can't "DO" - TEACH as brought up by Vers.
He just might be the guy - as mentioned before Savage's first pick was Dilfer and that didn't turn out when there was friction between Dilfer n Mo...but he then went and got Dorsey. Of course we didn't have Chud in here as our OC but still he was gotten obviously not for his talents but more so for his preparation and intelligence.
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Lets not forget this...Dorsey also has a history with Chud, his offensive philosophy and actually running his offense
OK,,, That's what I'm talking about.... A solid reason that may, in the end, make it sensible to keep Dorsey in favor of DA or CF!
I'm not certain that it will hold any water really, but it's a reason that, up to now, I hadn't given any thought too.
All we need to do is figure out if the O that Chud ran in Miami is the same one he's installing here. Then it makes sense.
If it's more of the O that was run by Cam Cameron, then I have to wonder!
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Lets not forget this...Dorsey also has a history with Chud, his offensive philosophy and actually running his offense
OK,,, That's what I'm talking about.... A solid reason that may, in the end, make it sensible to keep Dorsey in favor of DA or CF!
You know Daman, I'm really trying to see your side of this, but I can't get there.
What is it about 'Dorsey's smarts add more value as a 3rd qb than Frye or Anderson do' so hard to understand? Why is the the above the reason you can finally see why we might keep Dorsey?
I'm not saying that in a derogatory way. I'm genuinely curious. Why do you feel that Frye or Anderson would be a better 3rd qb than Dorsey? Maybe you've thought of another angle that we haven't.
Ammo: btw, I agree with you. I think at the end of the day, Frye could be the odd man out.
In some strange way, it's interesting that Frye played well in Atlanta because teams generally have a higher opinion of opposing players when they do that. Add in the Vick fiasco, and this is something that is not that far-fetched.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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You know Daman, I'm really trying to see your side of this, but I can't get there.
Read my whole post and read some of those that I wrote before, and you will see that I don't think Dorsey is a better option than either of the other to guys either,,
But, at least someone came up with a potential reason in that Dorsey may have a better understanding of Chuds offense... my comment then is, if Chud intend to run the Miami Hurricane Offense, then yes,,, Dorsey is more knowledgable than the other.. we just don't know that yet....
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I must be a complete idiot or fool or dope or dummy
when it comes to football ... all of the above are pretty much true ... and its one of the smartest things you've said on here ...
Dorsey has TREMENDOUS VALUE RIGHT NOW ... if we had a game tommorow I'd bet he was our STARTER even though his PHYSICAL SKILLS SUCK ...
he is VERY SMART and a COACH ON THE FIELD ... right now he is helping to TEACH all 3 of them .. and from what I've heard from MORE THAN ONE SOURCE him and BQ are pretty much ATTACHED AT THE HIP ... and thats SMART and the best thing to do ...
U also have no clue what u want in a 3rd string QB .. u have no clue what SKILL SET IS NEEDED ... NONE .. U HAVE NO IDEA ... u think that the ARM STRENGTH of Anderson is much more important than the BRAIN of Dorsey and thats plain WRONG ..... Dorsey has MUCH BETTER OVERALL TALENT for a 3rd string QB because BRAINS become increasingly more important the further down the depth chart u go ...
the only thing u said that makes sense is that Frye and anderson wont net us squat in a trade right now .. and more than likely NEVER WILL ... if were lucky Frye may net us a 6th rounder some day ...
and BTW .. U show how little U truely know the game when u say BQ has a 50% chance of success just like all rooks .. *LOL* ... OK .. tell that to ALL THE 2ND DAY PICKS IN THE NFL ...
BRAINS is why Dorsey very well may make the TEAM .... he may not have a ton of experience but he has some VERY VERY IMPORTANT QUALITIES TO BE A #3 .... BRAINS, he has a VERY GOOD GRASP of the O as I am sure it has quite a bit of the O he used at Miami and its philosophies .. and he knows what CHUD WANTS from his QB's ..
hes the perfect #3 this year to TEACH BQ and let Frye and Anderson (bye bye derek .. been nice knowing U) fight it out for #1 or the highway ...
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I must be a complete idiot or fool or dope or dummy
when it comes to football ... all of the above are pretty much true ... and its one of the smartest things you've said on here ...
Dorsey has TREMENDOUS VALUE RIGHT NOW ... if we had a game tommorow I'd bet he was our STARTER even though his PHYSICAL SKILLS SUCK ...
he is VERY SMART and a COACH ON THE FIELD ... right now he is helping to TEACH all 3 of them .. and from what I've heard from MORE THAN ONE SOURCE him and BQ are pretty much ATTACHED AT THE HIP ... and thats SMART and the best thing to do ...
U also have no clue what u want in a 3rd string QB .. u have no clue what SKILL SET IS NEEDED ... NONE .. U HAVE NO IDEA ... u think that the ARM STRENGTH of Anderson is much more important than the BRAIN of Dorsey and thats plain WRONG ..... Dorsey has MUCH BETTER OVERALL TALENT for a 3rd string QB because BRAINS become increasingly more important the further down the depth chart u go ...
the only thing u said that makes sense is that Frye and anderson wont net us squat in a trade right now .. and more than likely NEVER WILL ... if were lucky Frye may net us a 6th rounder some day ...
and BTW .. U show how little U truely know the game when u say BQ has a 50% chance of success just like all rooks .. *LOL* ... OK .. tell that to ALL THE 2ND DAY PICKS IN THE NFL ...
BRAINS is why Dorsey very well may make the TEAM .... he may not have a ton of experience but he has some VERY VERY IMPORTANT QUALITIES TO BE A #3 .... BRAINS, he has a VERY GOOD GRASP of the O as I am sure it has quite a bit of the O he used at Miami and its philosophies .. and he knows what CHUD WANTS from his QB's ..
hes the perfect #3 this year to TEACH BQ and let Frye and Anderson (bye bye derek .. been nice knowing U) fight it out for #1 or the highway ...
Aside from your typical arrogant way of saying things, we actually agree on everything you stated except Quinn having a better than 50% chance of succeeding as a rookie.
He either succeeds or doesn't. That's 50/50. Just like all rookies. But that's no slam against him in the least. I'd say his chances of succeeding in the NFL are 75% as compared with a 7th rounder which I'd put at 10%.
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Dorsey may be a great guy on the sidelines, he may be a great guy in the locker room, he may be one heck of a smart guy, but what are you going to feel lilke if we are down to our third QB and he has to go in?
Name me 5 teams confident that their 3rd string QB could lead them to victory.
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Wow, you certainly put me in my place there Diam,,, do you feel like a man now?  I've always thought that when I write something here, I'd better be willing and able to say it to someones face. Would you talk to me that way if we were standing face to face? All I have asked for is a reason....a reason to believe that Dorsey has more value to the team than Anderson or Frye... Nobody except Eo gave me a glimpse at a reason.. everyone else seems to be just saying he's better for the team for reasons that, I admit, I don't seem to be grasping.. Somewhere in your rant, there may actually be something of value. but for the most part, you just blither on in your ever present arrogant tone saying absolutely nothing of importance except to feed your already overblown ego and vision of your own self worth.. Oh,, by the way Diam,,, there isn't a rookie on the planet that has more than a 50/50 chance... they all either make it or not.. that's 50/50..... By the way, it doesn't matter what round.. or even if they were undrafted... if you get to a team... you either make it, or you don't.. You can do the math anyway you want. but it's still a 50/50 shot at best! One parting thought Diam.... if you would have approached responding to me like Peen did, or Eo, or (gulp, dare I say) Vers meaning, without all the arrogance and Mr. Know it all attitude, I might not feel so violated at the moment.. but you are who you are I guess,,,, in a strange sort of way, I kinda feel sorry for you!
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Name me 5 teams confident that their 3rd string QB could lead them to victory.
I can't because I don't remember there ever having been a team that was confident in thier 3rd QB.. I can name two times when the Browns sure would have liked being confident in thier 3rd QB...
Back in the 80s when we were so short on QB's that we ended up signing Strock and more recently when we had Luke M. as our QB for a number of games. Call me crazy, But I get the feeling that Anderson and Frye are better than Strock or Luke was.. I'm not, however, convinced that Dorsey is. But that's just me.
But I think I'm beginning to see something in what everyone is saying (even Diam). It appears that everyone (except me apparently) thinks that it's more important to have a more cerebral QB be the 3rd stringer than a guy that could actually win.. So what it seems to come down to is,,,,,,, OPINION!
Thats cool!
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Wow, you certainly put me in my place there Diam
All I did was agree with U ... *LOL* ... u put it out there .. I just agreed ... i figured you'd be happy with that .. *LOL* ..
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I've always thought that when I write something here, I'd better be willing and able to say it to someones face. Would you talk to me that way if we were standing face to face?
if u brought it up and said i must be a complete idiot or fool ... i would say the same damm thing .. ABSOLETELY ... i dont think u know much at all about football .. and if u brought it up i;d say that .. why?? cause i believe it to be true .. sorry but your posts tell me that ...
would i walk up to U and out of the blue say .. hey u know nutting about football??? Nope .... I'm not an ass .. if u brought it up would i lie to make u feel better? Nope .. my friends dont come to me when they want to be told what they want to hear .. they come to me when they want the truth .. both of my friends do that .. *LOL* ..
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Nobody except Eo gave me a glimpse at a reason
I guess u missed in my response where i said ..
1. HES SMARTER ...
2. he doesnt have a ton of experience but he would be a GREAT MENTOR bceause of his BRAINS ..
3. He knows the O better
4. he knows what chud expects more than the others
5. the fact that BRAINS increase in value as u go down the DEPTH CHART ...
if u want .. ask nicely and i will explain that to U .. but u gotta say please .. *LOL* ..
so theres 5 reasons why dorsey is MORE VALUABLE IMO than Anderson ... I think Frye will be here as a possible #1 this year and a back up whenever BQ steps in be it this year or next ..
and Dorsey very well may be the odd man out ... we may be using his BRAINS until August is over and the real bullets start flying ... the only thing i know for sure about our QB's is that BQ will MAKE THE TEAM ... and thats 100% .. *LOL* ..
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and there is another statement that makes me scratch my head and say 'dude dont have a clue" .. if u think its 50/50 your NUTS ... the fact u boil it down to simple math proves it .. u can say it all u want .. its just NOT TRUE .. FOOTBALL is not math ... nor can it ever be BOILED down to it .. EVER ... the fact u think that Joe Thomas and BQ have the same 50/50 shot of making it as our pick in rnd 7 is a JOKE ..
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*LOL* ... dude U need to toughen up .. violated?? *LOL* ... if i can say anything to make u feel "violated" I feel sorry for U ..
if it makes u feel any better .. I am sure there are MANY MANY THINGS U are MUCH MUCH SMARTER THAN ME IN .. football just aint one of them .. and in the areas U PROVED yourself smarter than me in over time like i have in football ... I would LISTEN to U and think about what u say and ASK QUESTIONS and try to learn from U .. but thats just another difference in our personalaties ...
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No its not OPINION daman .. the ROLES of a starter and 2nd and 3rd are MUCH MUCH DIFFERENT .... and ths SKILLS required to do them are MUCH MUCH DIFFERENT .. if u want to ask and LEARN sumptin i will be more than glad to educate U .. and u know what I'm even gonna do for U .. U dotn have to say please .. 
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You got nothing I want to learn,, especially how to deal with people,,, Thanks,, But no thanks,,
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u dont wanna learn how to deal with people from me?? why not?? *LOL* .. I feel so violated ...
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I'm not giving BQ anything... He will earn it on his own... IMO, BQ will separate himself from the other QB's on the Browns roster in a relatively short period of time... I see BQ having the best physical & mental skills, superior QB skill set, BQ has been very successful in a NFL style offensive and has been coached by a proven successful multiple SB wining offensive co-coordinator... BQ was in a major college program who is rebuilding during his time there... He was surrounded by a lack of talent and was clearly one of the players that carried ND during his time there... Sound familiar to the team that drafted him??? ND is on a little different level than Akron or OSU -West... The Browns didn't draft BQ in the 1st round and give up what they did, for BQ to sit and watch for long... There is no veteran to teach and support... What is BQ going to learn by watching DA or CF??? Poor decision making, mechanics and desperation/survival tactics??? BQ is right now, the best QB on the Browns roster... And I neglected to bring up his intangibles... Which far exceed the other QB's on the roster... With the talent added on the 0-Line and the addition of a healthy JL, I would have BQ getting at least equal share of the 1st string snaps/looks from day one... BQ is the QB now for the Cleveland Browns... Whether people here want to admit it or believe it or not... Take care, hang in and enjoy!
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What is BQ going to learn by watching DA or CF??? Poor decision making, mechanics and desperation/survival tactics???
I feel that people screw this perception up sooo much. Quinn might have little to learn from Frye and Anderson, but he won't develop bad habbits by being forced to play too early before he's mature enough in the NFL for the game. A year to hold the clipboard might allow him to notice mistakes made by Frye and Anderson from the sideline and what not to do in the game as well.
I'm not sure I want him to sit the whole season, but i wouldn't mind at least half the season sitting the pine. Letting him become accustomed to the game slowly is smart. If Frye can keep the team around 500 or one game below (two later in the season), I'm perfectly content with keeping Quinn on the sideline
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If BQ starts day 1 .. fine
if BQ starts week 8 or anytime during the season .. fine
if he sits the whole season .. fine
BQ or NO ONE in competitive sports learns much at all from watching others mistakes .. u have to EXPERIENCE them for yourself to truely learn them ...
the reason it is inteligent to sit a QB for his rookie year is because there SIMPLY OVERWHELMED ... they are LEARNING many many new things ... BQ has a chance to be more succesful quicker than most becuase he has all ready learned some of the things most rookie QB's have no clue about .. he simply wont be as OVERWHELMED AS MOST ...
AND REGARDLESS OF WHEN HE STARTS .. he will make MISTAKES ... just not as many as most ... simply because he wont be OVERWHELMED ..
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Hum... There is a reason they haven't used Dorsey... And DA isn't a proven, quality NFL back up. He did a decent job considering his skill set and experience. He and Dorsey are what they are; fringe roster QB's who probably won't be active NFL players very long... Would you mind doing me a favor? Please don't think or speak for me, thank you.  You’re wrong on Montana and Elway... From memory Steve Deberg was on both the 9ers and Donks rosters when # 16 and # 7 were drafted... He qualifies and a solid veteran back up who could win and mentor... Baseball and football parallels don't often match up... The Yankees - Browns??? Yankees nearly always win... And have won how many WS's over the past 40+ years??? The Browns have won how many SB's over the past 40+ years? Browns have cap and could and should add a veteran QB. The Yankees have all kinds of $$$, the proven star players to show for it. Their pitching is off track right now... The Browns are still 10 or 12 quality player’s away form being competitive and making the playoffs... Until next time, take care, hang in and enjoy!
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Good solid points. Good common sense. I acknowledge and understand this thinking. I agree with it as well. From the perspective of having an vialbe proven option @ QB. Whether it's a veteran back up kind of guy/QB or a young faily successful guy/QB who has over achieved or at his peak after a few years in the NFL... What ever the case if a team has an QB option that they can win with until the young stud is truly ready, GREAT! This is not the case in the Browns organization. The Browns are not in that position. They have a hodge pdge of unproven maybe, probably nots @ QB other than BQ... Do I think BQ having to start or earning the starting spot this season is what is best for his overall, optimal delevopment as an NFL QB? NO! But in the situation with the Browns as they are right now, he is the best option for the Browns to win now and in the future. The other QB's on the roster now are going to to very little over the next year or more to help BQ become who he can be. They are all learning a new system... Which QB on the roster has more upside? Which QB is the most proven, most successful overall in their careers as of now? Whether BQ plays now, soon or later is inevitable... He is without much question the Browns best QB as of now.
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Quinn has to sign. That will probably be a big factor when, and if he starts at all this year. To start game 1, he has to be in on day one of camp, and beat Frye/Anderson out. It really wouldn't be that big of a suprise to see Dorsey kept around and Anderson on the practice squad. Dorsey can be a bigger help to Frye or Quinn in the QB meetings and in the film room.
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Name me 5 teams confident that their 3rd string QB could lead them to victory.
I can't because I don't remember there ever having been a team that was confident in thier 3rd QB.. I can name two times when the Browns sure would have liked being confident in thier 3rd QB...
Back in the 80s when we were so short on QB's that we ended up signing Strock and more recently when we had Luke M. as our QB for a number of games. Call me crazy, But I get the feeling that Anderson and Frye are better than Strock or Luke was.. I'm not, however, convinced that Dorsey is. But that's just me.
But I think I'm beginning to see something in what everyone is saying (even Diam). It appears that everyone (except me apparently) thinks that it's more important to have a more cerebral QB be the 3rd stringer than a guy that could actually win.. So what it seems to come down to is,,,,,,, OPINION!
Thats cool!
The reason I asked you that question, is because if a 3rd stringer was capable of taking over games to lead a team to a winning season - he'd be a starter. You are correct, it is definitely opinion. I'd choose the intelligent one over the one with the physical tools who isn't smart enough. Brains beats ability. Look at Jeff George and Ryan Leaf.
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Look at Jeff George and Ryan Leaf.
LOL,, Aren't those two guys similar,,, What I mean by that is they both possess or did possess all the physical ability in the world but both appear to be dumber than a box of rocks... well, in the case of Jeff George, at least his approach to the game is dumb anyway,,,
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Look at Jeff George and Ryan Leaf.
LOL,, Aren't those two guys similar,,, What I mean by that is they both possess or did possess all the physical ability in the world but both appear to be dumber than a box of rocks... well, in the case of Jeff George, at least his approach to the game is dumb anyway,,,
Exactly. So having that at 3rd string doesn't do much for a team. Having the brains, at least he can help the other guys. That's where my opinion lies and why I'd choose the smarter of the 2. Especially when Dorsey played in a Chud O at Miami. He knows the coach and they had chemistry. The nice thing is when all the QBs stay after for extra reps his brain can be further picked.
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I see BQ having the best physical & mental skills, superior QB skill set, BQ has been very successful in a NFL style offensive and has been coached by a proven successful multiple SB wining offensive co-coordinator... BQ was in a major college program who is rebuilding during his time there... He was surrounded by a lack of talent and was clearly one of the players that carried ND during his time there... Sound familiar to the team that drafted him??? ND is on a little different level than Akron or OSU -West...
I agree Brady seems to be better off mentally and physically coming into the league. I don't think it make much difference at this point whether or not he played at Notre Dame. Yes he did run a pro style offense but he ran it for the most part against inferior college competion. It is a huge leap to think he will be as successful at the next level because of this.
My personal opinion is that I want to see Charlie start and succeed. I like Charlie and want the best for him as well as our team. Even if Charlie were to come out and be a very good QB I think Brady is our future. I do not see him becoming a bust. We have too much invested in him not to give him a shot and I am really starting to believe those who seem to know him the best.
I feel he will be given the starting job because his performance as well as the pressure on Romeo. Romeo is going to have to win early and often to keep his job. I don't think he can afford to start Frye because if he struggles he will not be able to survive. I think there will be much less pressure on him if Quinn starts and struggles. I don't think it is fair, but the NFL usually isn't.
To be honest I think drafting Quinn was a mistake. I thought we needed to give Frye another year and see how much a better line and possibly a better running game would help him, not to mention another year as a pro. I hate giving up draft picks especially one in the first day. If Frye were to bomb we would have still been in good position to pick up a QB next year.
Savage obviously disagreed with me, thus we have Quinn. If he turns out to be a pro bowl caliber player I think it would have turned out to be the right move. I think Frye can be good but doubt he will ever be a top QB.
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That's as good an explaination as any I've heard Soup,,, Thanks.. Still not sure I agree that Dorsey stays. Neither Frye or Anderson seem particularly stupid or anything.. So how much smarter does Dorsey have to be.. Oh,, and have we figured out yet what Offense Chud is installing.. The Miami or the San Diego? That would seem to make a difference wouldn't it?
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"Neither Frye or Anderson seem particularly stupid or anything.."
I really don't think there is anyone who is claiming that either Frye or Anderson are stupid.
I believe the claim is Dorsey is intelligent....he has proven to be intelligent throughout his career which included college. He never possessed close to enough skills to make it in the NFL and yet he is.
Anderson and Frye did so much more via their physical God given abilities...and that doesn't mean they played DUMB.
Both have the ability to learn a playbook - Dorsey probably possesses the ability to WRITE a play book...do you sort of get it?
A great QB doesn't robotically follow a play design...he Understands the play and all concepts involved in the design. But he's able to see a game time response by the D and able to alter a pattern or a blocking scheme to adjust the play and keep its original integrity and game plan from the design. This is what makes Manning so great especially with Harrison cause they both see it at the same time and just a nod a touch on the helmet keys their adjustment and without speach are able to make their adjustment within the integrity of the play.
You want this from a great QB...no you don't want IMPROVISATION do not mistake my premise here to be close to that. Its really not coveted by any coach and also there is not a good track record of success of such action.
We are just talking about knowing more than the playbook - knowing more than the game plan. We are talking about UNDERSTANDING both and how they fit with each other. Dorsey has this gift...with his natural football intelligence that he has shown both on and off the field which is why we coveted him in the first place.
But Dorsey has familiarity with this OFFENSE in particular - even if the play design is more detailed he UNDERSTANDS the concept and the goals of each play. And BQ has already seem to have attached himself to Dorsey. Either by design via coaches (or from his old Mentor Weiss' suggestion) or by being pretty smart on his own and sees that Dorsey just GETS IT so much more than the others.
Even though Dorsey doesn't possess the skill set to be the starter or have much of a chance in the competition even if it is opened to him. But he still GETS IT...not because Frye and Anderson are Dumb by any means.
Just that is what Dorsey does best as a Football Professional and also with the added factor of Familiarity on top of it.
JMHO - he was acquired to Mentor our Future Franchise QB...not play and win games for us. Almost all acquisitions by Savage have had a meaning and a purpose...that actually is what is setting him above and ahead of Butch and Clark. But Dorsey being here has had a purpose and function and the hiring of Chud as the new OC and Playbook is just Bonus points in his Acquisition and Function!
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He never possessed close to enough skills to make it in the NFL and yet he is.
I don't agree with that.....it isn't like the guy is a clod.
I am not saying Dorsey is ever going to be great, but if he went in and played, and the O was tailored a bit to his skills...I don't think the guy would be that bad.
Sorry for the nit-pick, but Dorsey isn't some stumble bum void of all skills....
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That's as good an explaination as any I've heard Soup,,, Thanks.. Still not sure I agree that Dorsey stays. Neither Frye or Anderson seem particularly stupid or anything.. So how much smarter does Dorsey have to be.. Oh,, and have we figured out yet what Offense Chud is installing.. The Miami or the San Diego? That would seem to make a difference wouldn't it?
You are very correct. And, as you stated, it is all opinion, so neither of us is wrong. I see your point in keeping the guy with more physical ability, but my thought is truly that if the 3rd guy's in, your team is done so the brains of the 3rd stringer is more important for the reasons I listed previously. I know for sure of 2 teams last year that had the 3rd stringer touch the field out of necessity, that was Tampa and Cleveland - both 4-12. From several articles/statements on the board,I think the strong suit that Dorsey has is his strength in breaking down film. People will say "that's what coaches are for." My thought is that if Dorsey becomes friends with Quinn, Frye and Anderson - they'll spend extra time breaking down film on their own. Yes, Frye, Anderson and Quinn could do the same - but if Dorsey is exceptional at it - he's a bigger assett. We definitely don't know the offense he's running, I'm only assuming that Dorsey will be used to the base idea. Either way, I'll never complain about the 3rd QB - if we keep Dorsey - we know it's for the brains, if they keep Anderson - it's the physical ability. My Anderson fear is that his tendency in college moved to the NFL - if the ball goes over 10 yards in the air - it won't be on target. Oh well, that's the last on this from me as there really is no right or wrong answer, it's coach preference.
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JMHO - he was acquired to Mentor our Future Franchise QB...not play and win games for us. Almost all acquisitions by Savage have had a meaning and a purpose...that actually is what is setting him above and ahead of Butch and Clark. But Dorsey being here has had a purpose and function and the hiring of Chud as the new OC and Playbook is just Bonus points in his Acquisition and Function!
I think it had more to do with the fact Savage had to get something in return for Dilfer.
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