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"somebody called me a filthy liberal who hates america on the Right Wing News page on facebook the other day."


Yea, sorry about that. I got carried away a bit, Swish.

I keep hearing that Trump and Sanders share some "types" of supporters .... which is kind of ironic given that in one major way, tax policy, Sanders and Cruz are actually closer. Both want a much simpler tax policy. I love the idea of a much simpler tax policy, one that eliminates 99% of deductions, which are all so often abused by many personal and business taxpayers.

Cruz has a postcard that goes like this:

How much did you make?
How many personal and family member exemptions do you have? Deduct these exemptions.
Apply the flat tax rate to the difference, and send it in.

Sanders also has a simple tax system, that can fit on a postcard. His tax plan is even simpler, and looks like this:

How much did you make?
Send it is.

i like those idea too bro.

but the people who run the country don't.

*Sigh*

I hate it when I go to a lot of typing setting up a joke ........ and it goes right over the head of the 1st person replying to it.

didn't sound like a joke.

Where you spinning while you said that? Hogwash

See, you can't even take a little criticism of your own opinion without coming back with an insult..

It's funny how many people are on the same page, both D and R, for taxes but Washington just can't/won't do anything about it.

OCD and I after going back and forth about Sanders in another thread came to complete agreement over a tax plan that I proposed:

1. No deductions
2. First 40k of EVERYONE's income is exempt.
3. Anything over 40k is taxed at 15%
4. Taxes for SS and Medicare remain in place with no cap making the tax rate closer to 20%.
5. Capital gains is 20%, pretty much the same as income.

We didn't discuss businesses taxes, but something similar.

capital gains should be somewhere around 12-15, not 20. thats too high, IMO.

we should honestly start weening off of SS. i know it's something we are all entitled too. but the issue is that with the advancement of medicine and technology, people are living longer, healthier lives.

which is amazing, but the unintended consequence is that the SS fund is simply drying up too fast.

Oh so now you want me to silently except your lies.. You must be a right winger.. Good luck with that..

I'm done with you.....

I am 1000% for eliminating SS. I loved it when Bush tried, and unfortunately failed, to allow individuals to invest money themselves. In another thread I showed how much I would have in my retirement fund outside of what I already have if I could invest what I am paying to SS currently. It was 750k with a modest 5% return per year for the next 20 years.

That is the problem with Ponzi schemes - the money dries up eventually.

I agree capital gains should be lower, but it is something I'd be willing to compromise on to get income taxes reeled in.

Getting a laugh around here is sometimes like pulling teeth!

See, there is another joke that got a laugh!

I agree with that. While i understand pensions and such, sometimes with these mandatory pay in's, i wonder if the money just can be used on something that benefits the individual more.

especially since most companies offer a 401k type plan anyway. maybe that money from SS can be used to go into that.

i have investments, but i'm so amateurish that i have no idea about the in's and out's of capital gains and such. i only know what i gotta fill out come tax season.

i do know that some of these transaction fees are ridiculous, and some are only required because the feds are taxing the hell out of people. i think when it comes to individual stuff like that, while we should pay taxes, it shouldn't be that much.

Your response was "HOGWASH!"... that's a good debate tactic if you are 7. If I lied, show me where I lied.


There's that respect and acceptance of others who are plain spoken and passionate that we all know and love.

Seems to be a habit with him.

(him, replying to me)

All that said without even knowing me.

Oh I know you Arch that's the problem.

You should know though before I ever responded to you I read not one but everyone of the posts in this thread so I know who you are, and I know what your about.

The real problem is I do know you and that bothers you.

I stand by what I said.

Now DC we started out having a nice little talk about single payer health insurance and you by your own words called yourself selfish, I concur BTW.

That said you and several others provided a link to Bernie's tax plan for paying for the single payer plan. I went to the link and reviewed the numbers, BTW the numbers work.

I then put up an article showing that we will pay 2.6 Trillion for health care this year and challenged your math since 2.6 x 10 = 26 trillion and Bernie's plan would cost @14 Trillion further I said that we couldn't afford not to go with Bernie's plan. And sadly for your side the numbers bear that out.

I also pointed out that everyone would have full insurance and that if as you expressed you didn't think the government could handle it (paraphrasing) then you needed to explain Medicare.

Then you come at me with this great big whine well dry your tears you just got schooled I'm sure its not your 1st time, you should be used to it.

Ah, the Hate is strong in this one.

Awesome he knows not.

Again, I'll ask: Tell me what you know about me.

i know a ton about you.

and BTTB is pretty spot on.

Okay, tell me what YOU know.

Edited to add: BTTB knows nothing about me.

And you don't know as much as you may think.

Also, I have a pretty good read on you.

Yep.

I can only assume that people thought they saw something other than what was, or just didn't read it all.

I got my eye on both of you.

Just a general question

Our Govt cant run the post office, they cant run the VA, they cant balance a budget unless its way into the negative. Why do we expect that they can run our healthcare?

WE, don't.

Others maybe, but WE don't.

you have to expect somebody can, seeing as the private sector has failed it's people at just about the same rate.

we've come to a point in this country where we're bouncing between the two hoping somebody will finally get it together.

like wise. you've made it abundantly clear you understand little about me.

i'm counting down the days i'm going to receive another hate filled rant about my mental health. you average about 2 a year.

Really?

I'm counting down the days until you threaten to crack my skull again.

crunch crunch crunch slurp

Yes I did.. I don't want the quality of my healthcare to go down the crapper... if that makes me selfish, I will wear it proudly.


Great, the numbers work... the numbers worked for Obamacare too on paper when prepared by people who really needed them to work, it was going to save everybody a lot of money... the numbers were wrong. My guess is that these are too.

ACA was a step in the right direction 18 million more people have insurance that didn't before so that is progress.

The problem is a, and has been that medical costs continue to out pace inflation. That and prescription drug prices are out of control.

At the end of the day getting insurance companies out of the picture will save about 30% by some estimates. The cost of administering Medicare adds about 3% to its cost for a net savings to the payer of about 27% all by itself.

Anyone who has dealt with the insurance companies knows they sure as hell aren't good at patient care and are profit driven rather then patient outcome driven.

That piece I put up explains a great deal of the problems we all face going forward.

I will say this too, you may not be for it now but in the not to distant future the reality of where we are heading will hit you, just like it has hit me and most Americans.

At the end of the day ACA was a good first step it just didn't fix the bleeder it put a band aid on it. The government has successfully administered Medicare for years they can do this and have for decades.

Bernie and Hillary debate tonight!

10 rounds
no gloves

Big big week next week with Florida and Ohio on the line.