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Benji was a non-loss, IMO.

We should have done everything we could to sign the other 3.

This team makes no sense.

I'm pretty upset about how the day went down, particularly with the leaked information about Schwartz, but I'm glad we didn't pay Gipson that money. But perhaps we proves me wrong.

"Elway: We'll build with players who want to be Broncos"

No, just ask Denver. I admit this has set us back a year or two, but we'll bounce back...[/quote]

Ask Denver what? [/quote]

Ask them how they feel about losing QB #1 AND #2. Their problem is more serious than ours at this moment...and more difficult to resolve. [/quote]

Our current QBs are Josh McCown, Austin Davis, and Connor Shaw and we have no defense.

Denver is miles ahead of us. [/quote]

Perhaps you misunderstood my intent. It will be much more problematic for them to repeat last season than it will be for us... [/quote]

"Elway: We'll build with players who want to be Broncos" [/quote]


Yes but what happens when no players want to be browns?

My grades on our FA losses.

Alex Mack 5yr deal with Atlanta averaging $9.5 mil a year.

Mack actually took a little less money to go to Atlanta. Atlanta did offer more guaranteed money though. When Mack opted out, he said that winning was important, but it looks like guaranteed money was more important.

I can't knock the Browns for their offer. $50 mil over 5 years was more than fair and more than anyone else offered. Mack did not have his best year last year coming off of a broken leg and Atlanta fully guaranteed the next 2 years and a big chunk of his 3rd year when he'll be 33 years old.

Grade B-

Mitchell Schwartz

Rumors are that we pulled a 5 yr, $35 mil offer off the table. I don't know what happened in the negotiations, but the rumored offer is low in my opinion, given the rumors. Based on that alone I'm going to grade this a D- with the right to change it to an F at a later time. Letting this 26 year old walk is not going to get a good grade no matter how you slice it, But I don't know how much he got from the Cheifs.

Grade D- (possibly an F when more news comes out)

Travis Benjamin

Signed with the Chargers for 4 years 24 million dollars. This is about what I would have paid for a #2 and I have no idea if the Browns made that offer. Given our situation at WR, going as high as $7 mil a year might not have been a bad idea.

Grade D

Tashaun Gipson

Signed with Jacksonville for 5 years $35.5 million. Again, about what you would expect. Gipson and the Browns had a little bad blood, so there might not have been any way of signing him. He was the one player out of the four that I expected to go, but he didn't get crazy money.

Grade D+

Other grades...

Not one signing at the deadline when you knew 4 starters were leaving...

Grade F

Rumors that agents were not happy with the front office being hesitant...

Grade D (could have been an agent posturing)

Not signing anyone yet when a few players (Isa Abdul-Quddus, Rolando McClain, George Ioka) went for below market deals.

Grade F

Making it appear like players are fleeing a sinking ship...

Grade F

So far it does not look good for the front office. They need a heck of a 2nd day to change my mind.

Well you fix that bridge when you come to it.

I'm pleased to see that you have an open mind...

All you whiners are forgetting all the money we are saving. I mean we are almost 50 million under the cap if that is not something to cheer about I don't know what is. I have been reading this board for a long long time and after reading over and over again about how much money we saved by not going out and getting players to help this team win a extra game or two a year so I can at least get a few more enjoyable sunday evenings I now drink the kool aid. Today was great, we saved money on some young free agents but remember we are keeping around some great players like whitner for 8.45m instead of Ilkoa who is 5 years younger and 5m a season, Bowe for 8m instead of Marvin Jones for 6.6 and already knows the system, Tramon Williams for 6.98 that was burnt almost every other play instead of just name a CB, Dansby who is an Ilb that is going on 35 years old and is making 6.5 m no upgraded or replacement need. And I almost forgot the icing on the cake we even saved money by not resigning our own young decent players. Brilliant. Go browns. Championship!!

The league would never allow a franchise to fall to that level of total disarray/incompetence...

And there are always players looking for jobs. Always.

In a week we will have several new players. They won't be as good as the guys that left, but they will be real NFL players.

Maybe we're just waiting for next years free agency to make a huge splash. Give our new rookie QB a year to work out the lumps, then be poised for playoff push in 2017. More players will want to sign with us if we have a promising QB.

#desperatejustification

#they'llprobablykeephimonthebenchallyear

SPOKEN LIKE A TRUE BROWNS FAN, JUST WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR!

I think we're waiting for 2022 ... should be a good FA class I guess

j/c

As the man said: "next man up!". I wonder what is going through the minds of Thomas, Greco, et al, and their thoughts on the loss of these guys...

Looks like we are drafting Carson Wentz. FO must have decided best way to acclimate an NCAA Div 2 QB to a team is surround that QB with NCAA Div 2 talent.

Given the events of today, a pretty damn good argument could be made that they were unaware.

Does anyone know what we offered vs what they accepted?

...or not in town, perhaps not even in the country.

I bet our D stinks, we can't run the ball, & we end up starting 3 QBs with these guys leaving.

There must be some plan.

We will need one of the best drafts in the history of drafts to improve on 3-13.

I know some are rationalizing the inactivity by saying we were bad last year, but you can't convince me Mack, Schwartz and Benjamin were part of the problem. We are not better without them.

You mean it will be like it has for the last 15 years...business as usual. We fail to realize as fans we already had our Super Bowl(as in the browns highlight of the season) this year when we went coach shopping.

You could also say at 3-13 they were not part of the solution.

and we have the cap space to sign them all and more

You could, but you have to realize the size of the problem, before saying something so ignorant.

I just want this to sink in a little more...

We can't keep bleeding quality players that we have hit on in the draft

The past 2 years we have lost:

TJ Ward
Alex Mack
Mitchel Schwartz
Jordan Cameron
Rubin
Jabal Sheard
Buster Skrine
Travis Benjamin
Gipson


Possibly Robertson/Bademosi

I'm at a loss of words..

The thing is, some posters say "well, no Browns ever prove to be effective anywhere else so ... "


BUT, Sheard and Ward and Rubin proved to be VERY valuable to their respective teams

I would say Rubin just proved to be cheap.

That being said Schwartz and Mack will be valuable to their next team.

So do you think had the Browns spent all that money on them next season they would be a play off team?
Do you think by the time their 5 year contract was up they would be play off winning team?

How ignorant is over paying players who don't want to be here?

The problem is the players have to want to come back. The Browns front office can't make them stay even if they offer market value. If they don't want to be here, why overpay them to continue to be disgruntled? We've got to find a reason for players to be hopeful for the future that actually shows up on the field.

Seriously with the combination of Manziel, Bowe and Analytics, we are set for years to come

Wow .... I just don't know what to say about today.

I was worried about the analytics crowd in the front office ..... and now I am downright terrified for the future of this team.

I think that Benji was overpriced. I'm not upset with that one. Mack is 30, and so I could almost live with that one. Schwartz, though? Man, this is the kind of guy you work hard to bring back. I thought that Gipson was a good player, and at the right deal, he should be brought back.

Instead, we have lost them all. Oh well .... maybe we're going for more compensatory picks, or something.

Man, I want to have hope for this team, but they sure make it hard to do so.

True they all went to Super Bowl caliber teams.

The Browns are the least desirable franchise for a free agent to put on
His destination list.
Any free agent knows this franchise is 3 years away from being 3 YEARS AWAY.
look at the division. The Browns have least amount of talent of the 4 teams

If I hear one more word about compensatory picks, I am going to puke. Really, we are choosing not to sign players so we can get second day draft picks the following year? Yes some teams do it because they have no cap space left and spend all of each year, and can not afford to sign talent. We are setting on 50 million that should be 60 or 65 at least if we would have gone to Yale and cleaned house. This team is giving Harvard a bad name.

j/c..

Details of Schwartz's deal with the Chiefs.

Aaron Wilson Verified account
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Mitchell Schwartz Chiefs deal: $33 million, $15M gtd, $7M signing bonus, salaries $750K, $4.9M, $5.7M, $6M, $6M

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i woulda given schwartz 7 million

No this team is one move to another city, then wait a few years to get franchise again, then 5 year build AWAY to being able to compete.

Ah the scum of the league the Browns will always be. This just keeps getting better...

[quote=Milk Man]j/c..

Details of Schwartz's deal with the Chiefs.

Aaron Wilson Verified account
@AaronWilson_NFL
Mitchell Schwartz Chiefs deal: $33 million, $15M gtd, $7M signing bonus, salaries $750K, $4.9M, $5.7M, $6M, $6M

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And we are paying Dwayne Bowe $8M in 2016
for 5 catches last year???