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Too bad we didn't draft three olinemen last year with our first 3 picks. If you guys couldn't see this coming ..:oh well ..smarten up.. This senecio was so wicked obvious a year ago.
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I've learned, being a 31 year old man and a Browns fan that entire time - never think, even after a horrid season - that we can't get worse. Last season alone is just one example.
Getting rid of the proven players, imo, does nothing to help in any form or fashion. We've seen countless rookies come and go, we need the ones that can play.
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A non competitive NFL team will never kept proven players very long.
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just some random thoughts.
Although the positions Center, RT, FS and 3rd WR/Punt Returner are not rare to obtain.
I don't think we initially replace them (first 3) with BETTER players. After some continuity C n RT can be just fine. Keep in mind if not young and good the initial replacements are probably temporary.
Its not the end of the world and the media focus on trying to feed on the emotions of fans to get the Bon Fires going I think is shameful.
Let judge their FIRST SEASON...ummmm like actually AFTER the first season. This is the same kind of Oh we suck stuff after veterans get cut after cap day and we do nothing with it.
I want to see our first draft...first camps...first games & last game of the 2016 season with our new coaching staff.
Jags who are being lauded for their efforts of the last two seasons (desperate to actually sell out the season so they don't voted on moving the team to ENGLAND!) in FA Acquisitions. Went from 3 wins all the way to 5 wins in 2015.
Us without FA expenditures more than likely will make at least that same increase in wins. Oh and that is with Jax getting their Franchise prospect QB!
Look I get enough of depression from the season when we lose! Must I be depressed in the off season as well.
Call me when we are done with FA and lets check it out. We finally have players to lose - we really didn't have them to lose before.
The thing we have to do is not deem these guys as inept (with the solution to GET RID OF THEM AND START OVER) That actually is the main problem not the solution.
I want to see this thing grow FOR ONCE...not this Lets Burn them at the stake...24 hours into it... smh
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A non competitive NFL team will never kept proven players very long. You are right, and that we are.
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Sorry, I'm not shifting through over 40 pages of post, most of which I'm sure are colorful in nature.
But yeah, we retained Noone. We paid Noone for their hard work. We rewarded Noone for their hard work. Sashi Brown seems like a failure already to me.
It was already a pressure packed draft for this new staff of various elements, now - it's even more so. As of today, I predict an offense with a rookie QB that's going to struggle, struggle and struggle some more. We are the 2nd worst team in the league, and you think we should reward player for their Hard Work? LOL Don't take this the wrong way, but comments like this are among the most idiotic I see on this board. Replacing players with less talented ones will help? Who says we'll be replacing them with less talented ones? We can replace all these guys, just have to hope it will be with even better ones Fair point. I do not see options to replace Mack and Schwartz that will be improvements.
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Matt Barrows Verified account @mattbarrows Sources: Broncos still frontrunner to land Kaepernick, but Jets and Browns also involved. Tweet
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Matt Barrows Verified account @mattbarrows Sources: Broncos still frontrunner to land Kaepernick, but Jets and Browns also involved. Tweet Alledgedly, Hue did the "O-Face" about Colin when working for the Raiders. 
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Matt Barrows Verified account @mattbarrows Sources: Broncos still frontrunner to land Kaepernick, but Jets and Browns also involved. Tweet Alledgedly, Hue did the "O-Face" about Colin when working for the Raiders. Dude Memphis... thank you so much for that post. I needed that humor, very badly, this morning and it was served up.
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Matt Barrows Verified account @mattbarrows Sources: Broncos still frontrunner to land Kaepernick, but Jets and Browns also involved. Tweet If we trade for Kaepernick people will lose their minds.
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Sashi Brown is SpiritBro: Michael Silver said on #NFL Network he's told even if #Browns landed Colin Kaepernick, they'd still be looking hard at drafting QB at No. 2.
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Matt Barrows Verified account @mattbarrows Sources: Broncos still frontrunner to land Kaepernick, but Jets and Browns also involved. Tweet If we trade for Kaepernick people will lose their minds. I don't think it's the end of the world as long as they don't view at as a long-term fix. More like a bridge.
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Matt Barrows Verified account @mattbarrows Sources: Broncos still frontrunner to land Kaepernick, but Jets and Browns also involved. Tweet If we trade for Kaepernick people will lose their minds. I am not sure why we would trade for Kaepernick if we are going for a full blown rebuild (and that's what it looks like). Also, yesterday I said we shouldn't trade Joe Thomas. If this team is going to be as bad as it looks, then we should trade any player that can bring us back good value. If you are
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Matt Barrows Verified account @mattbarrows Sources: Broncos still frontrunner to land Kaepernick, but Jets and Browns also involved. Tweet If we trade for Kaepernick people will lose their minds. I am not sure why we would trade for Kaepernick if we are going for a full blown rebuild (and that's what it looks like). Also, yesterday I said we shouldn't trade Joe Thomas. If this team is going to be as bad as it looks, then we should trade any player that can bring us back good value. If we are going to rebuild we shouldn't do it halfway. Nuke the thing.
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If we do give up a 2nd round pick for him and then go QB at #2, I'll give up trying to figure out a plan. It would send mix messages. Right now, it's seems clear they are scrapping the next two or three seasons and doing a complete roster teardown with the mentality of building through the draft. Giving up a 2nd round pick (if that is the true compensation) doesn't seem to be logical.
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Kaepernick is the crush Hue Jackson had in high school. He doesn't care that she gained 100 lbs and had 3 kids. 
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If we do give up a 2nd round pick for him and then go QB at #2, I'll give up trying to figure out a plan. It would send mix messages. Right now, it's seems clear they are scrapping the next two or three seasons and doing a complete roster teardown with the mentality of building through the draft. Giving up a 2nd round pick (if that is the true compensation) doesn't seem to be logical. Giving up a second round pick for any player who is 29, while rebuilding, doesn't make sense. I'll believe the Kaepernick stuff when I see it. Or. We just don't know what we are doing. Again.
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If we are going to rebuild we shouldn't do it halfway. Nuke the thing. Take a flamethrower to it. Get what you can out of Haden and Thomas. The next couple years are going to be brutal. It'll be interesting to see if Haslam will be able to holster his trigger finger and allow this to play out over the next 3-4 years this will take to even begin to compete.
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I don't think him being 29 is all that relevant because of the position he plays. It's more a matter of his talent and the price tag that comes along with it, IMO.
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Keep Haden for 2016 and hope he regains value, then trade him.
Trading a player when his value is at its lowest point makes no sense.
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Or.
We just don't know what we are doing. Again.
This is feeling more and more like what we've got going on.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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We just don't know what we are doing. Again.
Paul crunching some numbers in Berea. 
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Or.
We just don't know what we are doing. Again.
This is feeling more and more like what we've got going on. To be fair, it was one day. As always, I will wait and see before leaping to judgment. But it doesn't look good so far.
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Of course. It *could* all be good in the end, but the early returns do not look good at all, in any light.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Kaps too expensive. Analytical analysis has identified a Chinese guy Hoo Flung Poo at the University of Hunan. He's recommended by his Coach Wee Tu Slo and the Homeless Guy. He's 4'11'', 37 years old, able to throw under the DL and he's in our price range.
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I am done with the Browns if we trade for Kap. End of Story
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Maybe Kap wouldn't be too bad.
He's shown he can win games. We could go for impact players at 2 and 32, Kap could run around long enough behind our line and maybe get us some wins this year, and make Cleveland a more sought after team for FAs....?
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Maybe Kap wouldn't be too bad.
He's shown he can win games. We could go for impact players at 2 and 32, Kap could run around long enough behind our line and maybe get us some wins this year, and make Cleveland a more sought after team for FAs....? Kaepernick is not a scrambler. He excels on designed runs.
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Kap could run around long enough behind our line Two days ago he might have been able to...
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I am done with the Browns if we trade for Kap. End of Story Maybe they just want to make him a WR.
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Gotta love the gif revolution happening on this site. Bravo, people. Bravo.
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We need to completely rebuild the team. I don't understand trading for Kaep.
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I get that Mack wanted to leave. I'll eventually be OK with watching the best center in the league walk out in his prime. He wanted to leave, and his people said our FO was professional and left on good terms.
I get Benji leaving. He's a #2, and he's going to a place that has a (more or less) established #1 (Keenan Allen) and a very solid QB.
I get Gipson leaving. Guy was meh overall during his time here, and I have a feeling Horton can work his magic with Poyer or another UDFA.
Schwartz is what I'm having a really hard time with. The rumors about that situation are not kind. This brings all those red flags about our unusual FO back to the forefront. I understand it could be agent speak and not entirely based in fact. If we end up landing a good RT in the mold of an Andre Smith (stud run blocker), that will make me feel a bit better about a plan being in place (making our line more of a power run blocking line vs a finesse pass blocking one).
That would be evidence of us executing to some sort of plan, which is light-years better than what I'm seeing now.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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Kap...lets see nothing has changed about QB but all of a sudden we are looking to trade for Kap...I'm sick of Agents or Teams using US TO DRIVE UP THE PRICE.
Gee Oswieller gets signed and Broncos are to be interested in Kap but have to trade for him...
All of a sudden somebody leaks out - Browns are interested in Kap...to drive up the trade value...
If --- IF! we do go after Kap (again why now when his value has gone up???) it would be a temp thing for 2016 in case McCown cant finish the season or for him to beat out McCown as we wait for Wentz to get ready.
Back onto FA...just to put this in perspective.
The top 6 teams who spent the most on FA in the last 10 years.
1. Dolphins Win% of .419
2. Jaguars .363
3. Eagles .547
4. Redskins .394
5. Buccaneers .363
6. Browns .319
And why we and almost all teams state you got to build from the Draft. Its not a cliche it happens to be a fact.
Again those teams who are in the run of things - I don't see any problems on spending that Cap space to win the Ring cause it is a tough tough accomplishment.
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Teams that lack talent will often be the big spenders and teams with talent don't need to be big spenders, they pay their own talent. Its kind of like teams that rush 25+ times a game win, its more of a byproduct than a reason. Teams retain their talent before UFA starts usually.
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The key there Candy...is not to spend more on FA the key in defining these new guys is what we do in the draft the next 3 years - as history shows we got better in some hits here and there as opposed to complete none entities from the draft.
I do agree in the future we have to do better in keeping our home grown. But the 4 new HC in 5 seasons...for those youthful guys...it will be tough to keep. Until we turn that part around. We have to have continuity why I just smh at the noise about how bad these guys are and out of their league and all this stuff. Yeah yeah real smart get rid of these guys as if that is the problem. The real problem is we got to Grow as an Organization...GROW! not this well its 24 hours these guys are terrible...NEXT!
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j/c: Also, based on @PatMcManamon's column, the #Browns had basically moved on from all four of their own free agents "before" yesterday. Interesting that @PatMcManamon says #Browns had already "parceled [money] elsewhere" with respect to Schwartz' offer off table. Plan is ___?
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If --- IF! we do go after Kap (again why now when his value has gone up???) it would be a temp thing for 2016 in case McCown cant finish the season or for him to beat out McCown as we wait for Wentz to get ready.
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The Browns will not trade for Kap for him to back-up McCown. If the trade is made, which hopefully it is not, it is more likely McCown is waived as it would free up approximately $2.7M in cap space.
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