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If --- IF! we do go after Kap (again why now when his value has gone up???) it would be a temp thing for 2016 in case McCown cant finish the season or for him to beat out McCown as we wait for Wentz to get ready.
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The Browns will not trade for Kap for him to back-up McCown. If the trade is made, which hopefully it is not, it is more likely McCown is waived as it would free up approximately $2.7M in cap space. Waiving McCown would be stupid. We'd keep 3 Qb's. Kap, McCown and the draft choice. $2.7 mil in cap space means nothing to a FO that isn't going spend any.
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With our line a mess, and especially if our plan is to trot Irving out there, in any capacity, just sign all of the QBs. We'll need them eventually.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
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Maybe, but I won't be surprised at all if he's waived if the Kaeprnqick trade comes to fruition. Just how I see it playing out under those circumstances.
Not to mention, we're talking about a team that's still holding on to Manziel to save a few bucks and thinks he still has trade value.
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Just clicking, I'm still having a hard time that the Broncos weren't able to keep Os. That was a shock, I thought for sure he'd stay put. But I guess the rumor is he wasn't pleased with his benching in favor of Manning. Not sure if that's true or not.
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Just clicking, I'm still having a hard time that the Broncos weren't able to keep Os. That was a shock, I thought for sure he'd stay put. But I guess the rumor is he wasn't pleased with his benching in favor of Manning. Not sure if that's true or not. Would you want to be the guy who has to follow Peyton Manning at QB, especially coming off of a Super Bowl win? People would be calling for his head the 1st time he threw a bad pass, not to mention the reaction to his 1st INT.
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The Cheerleader and Wilhelm are in spin control. On another note. Adam Scheffer rips browns and says players treat the organization like a college experience. Video Link
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The Cheerleader and Wilhelm are in spin control. On another note. Adam Scheffer rips browns and says players treat the organization like a college experience. Video Link That's what they're paid to do.
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The Cheerleader and Wilhelm are in spin control. On another note. Adam Scheffer rips browns and says players treat the organization like a college experience. Video Link Schefter gets lots of information from agents. It is in his best interests to criticize a team that doesn't pay people.
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j/c: Not making this up: New FS Tashaun Gipson said he wanted to start winning and that's why he left Cleveland. Said the Jaguars are moving in right direction. Another player that didn't want to be here.
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And went to Jacksonville, who is picking 5th.
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The Cheerleader and Wilhelm are in spin control. On another note. Adam Scheffer rips browns and says players treat the organization like a college experience. Video Link That's what they're paid to do. Clearly. They have the toughest job in radio!
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That was my thoughts on his comments as well. However, I do like the direction Jacksonville seems to be headed.
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He would like the direction of any team who signed him
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Hmmm. Alex Marvel Verified account @alexmarvez .@alexmack55 says "very tough to leave" @Browns. Has a lot of ties in the city. Possibility of CLE drafting Jared Goff almost made him stay Tweet
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Pat works for ESPN now right?
So we Parceled all that money on the table elsewhere...to sign just who? Talk is cheap. The only ones talking right now is the Agents. Schwartz and his agents treated us like crap and when they came crawling back it wasn't cause they wanted to play for the Browns it was because they thought they were going to get over 8 mil maybe close to 10 mil a year...and they missed miserably...Of course their rendition of what happened is they were hunky dory and nice with the Browns and left on a Hand shake with the Browns blessing to get their "BIG BUCKS" and then WOAH what a CRAZY thing the just for NO REASON pulled the offer off the table. I know they are BI-POLAR or something.
But we will just believe the agents version cause after all they are so honest and truthful.
As Judge Judy says, "If it doesn't make sense - Its not the truth!"
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What I find so funny is you have always been an OL guy yet seem to make excuses for our FO pulling the offer to Mitchell and not offering more guaranteed money to our FA's.
You and I both know that's what these contracts actually value. And pulling an offer? We can make excuses all day, but there's no reason to pull an offer.
I always wondered when push came to shove which one your loyalties actually would side with, OL or FO.
I now have my answer. Our OL was just blown up and spin for the FO is loud and clear.
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We made Schwartz an offer that was contingent upon him signing before the free agent tampering time began. They didn't sign once free agency began, they were getting offered less and our before free agency offer was off the table. The agent trying to save face will rip the Browns but offers are made all the time with a timestamp and the browns did the smart thing long term by taking that offer off the table.
Schwartz was one of my favorite players but he isn't replaceable.
The attempt trade of Kap has me more worried than anything we have done thus far. shows they suck at evaluating QBs already.
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He didn't want to be in Cleveland yet it's the new FO fault they did not sign him?  He also said this... "I felt like the organization, the city, they took a shot on me," Gipson said. "They gave me a chance. They embraced me, and that's one of the things where it was like, 'Man, I was here for the 4-12s, the 5-11s, the 7-9s, 3-13s, and I want to be here for the 9-7s, the 10-6s, the 11-5s.' If that happens, I will be one of the most joyous people on earth because I've seen what it takes to turn this program around.January 6, 2016http://www.app.com/story/sports/nfl/brow...rowns/78318520/
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Holy crap: For #Falcons WR Mohammad Sanu, it's a 5-year deal worth $32.5M, source said. $14M fully guaranteed. In Sanu's best season he had 790 yards and five TDs.
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Its not because he is that good, its partly because this receiver class is so horrid. Guys like Benji, Jones and Sanu hit the lottery. 3rd and 4th string receivers being paid borderline #1 money.
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What I find so funny is you have always been an OL guy yet seem to make excuses for our FO
Maybe you should stop pretending you know who I am...I am not an OL guy - I am a BROWNS GUY!!!
I happen to think OL is more important than many take it here.
Sticking up for the FO...you tell me what makes sense. We made and offer of 7 mil. And they just nice and kindly say that they just wish to test the market.
Ya think they might have LAUGHED at our offer maybe and insulted us stating how they would get 8-10 and took off. Then did a... WHAT? Where are you guys? some of you call me naive but you wish for me to believe that.
What I have told people about the OL is that Center and RT are not rare positions. This is no catastrophe. And the FACT is both did not want to play here.
And I haven't called them scum or anything...I've said and for good reason but it had nothing to do with ineptitude of this front office - it has to do with the INSTABILITY of this organization. When we fire Pettine Mack WAS GONE! he did a little yeah I love the Browns and want to be here to boost up the price. But you rather not believe in what is simple LOGIC...oh this FO is such a disaster.
Yep make fun of me, Insult me, try to make me look like a hypocrite. I apologize for being logical about all of this!
We lost our OL and we got Farmer's draft pick to be prepared. I don't think Erving is as inept as some claim still My pick was L'el Collins cause I am an OL nut! Not Erving.
The skill set to be a NFL Center is a dime a dozen its the mental part of the game that makes the good ones.
RT the skill set is not that great...lately there has been an emphasis that less Road Grater and more finesse for Pass Pro is needed. Well that Pass Pro was not Schwartz good assets. I can care less what PFF had him he was not that good at Pass Pro...says the OL nut and I said that prior to him leaving or prior to 2015 last season or during 2015 season. I said he was not going to be as easy to replace as some thought on this board.
I know my OL and I'm not anywhere close to a panic on our OL.
jmho have yours but don't go high and mighty on me you root for the Browns your way - I root for the Browns my way. Do I come and insult you? Do I say things ever like go root for another team if you don't like it...NEVER! So don't come at me for making sense on still being positive on these Browns if we have a difficult season it will be for other reason then the lack of Mack and Schwartz! I'm not saying we are better off for it. I'm saying they didn't want to be here...point blank. If they did they would both be here!
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but there's no reason to pull an offer. Sends the message to some players that when the Browns make a offer and you still decide to test the waters and play us for chumps like others have in the past... don't come crawling back when it doesn't work out.
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So the Browns OL looks like this right now?
LT - Thomas
LG - Bitonio
OC - Greco
RG - Pasztor
RT - Erving
I don't see any need to panic right now. There are options still out there to help this group.
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So the Browns OL looks like this right now?
LT - Thomas
LG - Bitonio
OC - Greco
RG - Pasztor
RT - Erving
I don't see any need to panic right now. There are options still out there to help this group.
I'd try Bitonio at tackle before Erving. LT - Thomas LG - Pasztor C - Erving RG - Greco RT - Bitonio
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I'd try Pasztor at tackle before Bitonio.
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I'd try Pasztor at tackle before Bitonio. Either way, I think we are on the same page. No Erving at tackle.
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Erving did well at LT in college but I think his best position was C. Pasztor has tackle experience. I don't see the point of derailing Bitonio at his point, he's a good LG.
Just to explain my reasoning.
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Simple Tab if you leave the spin out of it.
If a player is worth an offer, you make it. If he was worth it then, he's worth it now. You leave it on the table. That's not rocket science. Everything else is just spin.
And no, I don't claim I know you. I just have the evidence you put out.
Our OL was just decimated by a lawyer and a baseball guy and you keep making excuses why that's okay. I think the jury is in.
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Our OL was just decimated by a lawyer and a baseball guy and you keep making excuses why that's okay. I think the jury is in. Our offensive line was decimated by years of coaches and GMs being fired. The lawyer and baseball guy just happened to be in charge when the chickens came home to roost.
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but there's no reason to pull an offer. Sends the message to some players that when the Browns make a offer and you still decide to test the waters and play us for chumps like others have in the past... don't come crawling back when it doesn't work out.  You didn't sign when we wanted you to so now we're sending a message to our players that if you want to see what you're worth we're going to punish you by making our team worse. We're going to throw a hissy fit instead of sticking to our original offer at the value we believe you hold. Yeah, that sends a great message to draft picks and FA's on the market. LMAO
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Erving did well at LT in college but I think his best position was C. Pasztor has tackle experience. I don't see the point of derailing Bitonio at his point, he's a good LG.
Just to explain my reasoning. +1
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Just in case anyone forgot. Bitonio played LT in college.
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I was wondering how long it would take for tab to show up and spin his nonsense. The guy has been spinning the same crap for what.........15 years?
"Shameful." LOL.........
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Just in case anyone forgot. Bitonio played LT in college. I forgot. Thanks.
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That is always the easiest thing to say. Something positive would have to happen on the field to say otherwise. We sucked before, we sucked last year. Will we suck next year? Yes. What else makes sense?
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I just find it extremely annoying when people [like tab] make excuses and then belittle anyone who criticizes the Browns.
Do I really have to go through what their history is to prove my point. Firing coaches, changing front office guys, overhauling rosters, talking about building through the draft and then not re-signing their own draft choices, putting so much effort into marketing and having losing records year after year, promising "new and innovative plans" while still doing the same dumb things over and over, having too many decision makers, etc.....
.........and then we have posters making fun and insulting anyone who doesn't say........."yeah, these guys are really smart and they get it."
Please!
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What I find so funny is you have always been an OL guy yet seem to make excuses for our FO
I happen to think OL is more important than many take it here.
What I have told people about the OL is that Center and RT are not rare positions.
When we fire Pettine Mack WAS GONE!
I don't think Erving is as inept as some claim
Agreed. Agree with center position. RT analytics are changing fast with even current metrics such as run blocking being devalued. RT is becoming more rare. Whether Schwartz was up to the task as an all around RT is debatable. Mack was "gone" after the Denver game last year. The transition tag a few years back rubbed Demoff the wrong way making Mack half-way gone back then. Erving has hope since Pet and company are gone. But in the opinion of many, not much. He plays the first part of every game as a statue, gets better, then slips back at times.
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