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Pressure up the middle is more debilitating than pressure off the edge. If I'm going to give pressure somewhere, I'd prefer it to be off the right edge where the QB can see it coming, and it's easier to offer TE/chipping RB help. So, I'd look at Erving at RT first. He did play LT in college, and only moved to center after the line was struggling with pressure up the gut.

Have we ever figured out what we're doing with our training staff? The whole "NFL strength training" has seemed to hurt our players more than help recently.

I think you forgot that the best pass rushers are almost always edge rushers. Yes, there are some good ones inside...such as Donald...but the vast majority of excellent pass rushers are outside guys.

That gets me to thinking about the LT/RT nonsense that some are talking about.........but, I'll save that for another time.

I don't think as many people are concerned about how annoyed you are as you might wish. Just sayin'...

I'm as bummed as anyone about the last two days but the fact is that the players have to accept the offers and if they didn't, all we can do is move on and hope for the best.

Ultimately that is correct; however, the end result is not what guys like Schefter, the agent community, fans, and the players themselves are dismayed about.

It is the way in which the front office treated the negotiation process leading to ostracizing agents, perpetuating the perception of ineptitude and uncertainty. Being the highest IQ'd people in the room does not entitle bad business practices of not preserving relationships, not being straightforward, and not exemplifying your brand.

As I might wish?

Be a man and throw a real insult if that is your wish. Don't give me that wishy-washy crap.

jc...

I have not read through all 7 pages of this thread so my take may be in line with others.

I don't give two craps about the salary cap. I don't give two craps about how much we pay players. I don't give two craps about if we are paying too much for a player. I just want to win. We are worse team today than we were yesterday. That does not equal more wins.

This is the same thing Farmer did. It's no different.

Have you wondered about how much influence Haslam and Sashi had on the moves that Farmer made last year?

I have......

... or sign a stud run blocking RT, put Paztor in at RG if you need to slide Grecco over to C because Irving still sucks.

So you are saying that you're constipated.

I have no desire to insult you, just pointing out something you seem to not be aware of. It seemed pretty clear that by telling everyone how annoyed you were at people who have hope that you thought they cared. I was just letting you know that, that was likely not the case. I for one take enjoyment out of your annoyance so I do appreciate being informed as to your emotional state but others may not be as entertained by you as I am.

Please don't pretend that you know me.

Btw---------I find you annoying, too.

Where has spirit been during all of this? I figured he would be all over the free agency threads

Adam Schefter ‏ @ AdamSchefter 6m 6 minutes ago
Browns have lost another free agent, this time special teams standout Johnson Bademosi, who reached agreement on 2-year deal with Lions.



Jesus now even our terrible players are leaving

J/C

I blame the exodus of four solid players on Haslam. We've been directionless for a long time, throwing any idea against the wall to make it work, and the result gets worse and worse every year.

We gave enough money, but the players....and fans, are tired of the dysfunction.

I only know the persona you present on these boards. It's real easy to be against everything but man, that's a crappy way to go through life. Even if it's only the slice of life taken up by these boards.

Anyway, enough of that. It sucks that we lost Bademosi. I truly hope the guys in Berea are supremely confident in their plans. If not, the lack of progress right now has got to be demoralizing, even more than for the fans. Once they reach training camp though, this will all be a dim memory as they get ready to use the guys they do have to try and get the team on the right track. I'm personally excited for that day to get here. (Hell, who am I kidding I'm excited for he draft too. LOL)

I think keeping some of our FA would have been good for a continuity standpoint and less holes to fill in draft. But lets not pretend we're letting orlando pace and lecharles bentley go. We were 2nd worst in NFL for a reason, talent and coaching, hopefully the coaching is there now, but I think we'll see alot more roster shed before training camp, if i was to guess, noone is safe.

So you think that Mack, Gipson [both former Pro Bowlers], and Schwartz [a highly regarded RT] are the reason the Browns lost?

LOL..........unreal.

jc sorry I'm bored (that is a hand/mouse drawn line FWIW)

Didn't Mack say the same thing? They knew all the right things to say to get them the hell out of Cleveland as fast as possible.

I cannot figure this out. I sure hope there is a mega plan in place because I am getting nervous as to where this is all leading to.

I was just thinking the same thing today. Heck one could argue this team may be worse off in talent than the 99 team. Now we will probably throwing another young QB to the wolves. Or do we draft another center with that 2nd pick...wouldn't put it past them.

literally LOL'd!

Mack may have said that when he was a member of the team. He changed his tune as soon as the season was over.

This one move is the most concerning of all, inexperience and ego have no place in multi-million dollar negotiations. When Schwatrz' agent came back to the table, maybe you make him eat a little crap, pull $500k/yr from the offer and start over, but you don't pull the offer on an asset you desperately need just to make a point. This screams egomaniacal amateur hour.

Second most concerning move, entering the Kaepernick race. We have no business attempting to bring him into this division, regardless of Hue's woody for him. He can't read defenses or make quick reads, and his decision making is at best, questionable. Once again, this shows inexperienced analysis and poor decision making.

Finally, it's somewhat concerning that they don't understand that the market sets the market, and that going forward, they'll need to play in that sandbox in order to succeed.

Overall, this hints at yet another inexperienced regime that may has a tendency for outamarting itself.

Benjamin - team needs talent, but no reason to pay #2 money for a #3 WR.
Mack didn't want to be here or he would've taken the offer, regardless of what's being tweeted about Geoff making him almost want to stay.
Gipson basically checked out last year when the Browns didn't renegotiate his contract after the 2014 season, so whatever. Goodbye and good luck.

Bottom line, they'll need to be extraordinarily successful in the draft to begin to right this sinking ship and change perception.

JMHO

None of them are going to say anything overtly negative to make waves (well, not the smart ones, anyway). Other teams don't look fondly on that, either, because it might be them you speak out about next time.

Players play the media & public very smartly (as they should).

As for Thomas, I'd be incredibly bummed to see him go, but I'd completely support it. That man, of anybody, deserves to go to a winner and enjoy a few seasons of success. He's suffered being mired in mediocrity long enough.

Mack is such a scoundrel. The Browns have a real plan this time and they are executing it perfectly!

He wishes he has been mired in mediocrity.

LOL..........I was thinking the same thing.

The Seahawks re-signed Jermaine Kearse.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/708103756966187008

Three years, $13.5 million is pretty reasonable (especially considering what Sanu got).

These are the type of guys we should be signing.

Dang. Three year $15 million would have been nice for Kearse.

Had they gotten him to answer the phone.

they didn't help with the worst rushing attach and second worst pass blocking in the league..so yeah..they were a part of it...the whole team is..which is my point

Broncos dealing with turnover of entire offensive backfield

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- It may seem odd to the outside world that a team with a Hall of Fame quarterback -- John Elway -- as its chief football decision-maker and a former quarterback -- Gary Kubiak -- as its coach would see its entire offensive backfield depart after a Super Bowl winning season.

Two days into free agency and the Denver Broncos just might be that team.

Quarterback Peyton Manning has retired, quarterback Brock Osweiler has departed for the greener financial pastures of the Houston Texans, running back C.J. Anderson has signed an offer sheet with the Miami Dolphins, and the Broncos have essentially told running back Ronnie Hillman to check the free market and get back to them.

As of early afternoon Thursday, the Broncos lone signing had been tackle/guard Donald Stephenson, an anticipated move, but those backfield skill positions were still in flux. The Broncos had tried to draw up plans for some of this, but life has come at them pretty fast in the last week and it has put them in a position of trying to crank up the offense with the prospect of several new faces.

Manning told Elway and Kubiak on Saturday he was retiring. Osweiler’s representatives informed the Broncos Wednesday he was moving on and while the general lack of contact between the Broncos and Osweiler as well as his representatives should have been a sign, that left only Trevor Siemian at quarterback.

And to the team’s website Elway framed Osweiler’s exit with: “We’ve stayed true to our philosophy of building a team with players who want to be Denver Broncos and want to be here. That’s been a successful approach for us. While we did offer a very competitive and fair long-term contract to Brock, we ultimately had to remain disciplined while continuing to assemble a roster that can compete for championships.’’

Anderson was in Miami on Thursday, where former Broncos offensive coordinator Adam Gase happens to coach. The Dolphins are one of a handful of teams with interest in Anderson. Anderson is a restricted free agent, but the Broncos put the lowest tender on him -- a one-year $1.671 million deal with right of first refusal.

What that means is yes, the Broncos do have the right to match any offer Anderson gets, but they do not get any compensation in return if they choose not to match the offer and Anderson moves on. That makes Anderson a popular target among the league’s restricted free agents.

And Hillman led the Broncos both in rushing (863 yards) and rushing touchdowns (seven) this past season. But the Broncos haven’t been inclined to reach out to him in free agency.

Hillman is a player the Broncos would look at eventually, but only after things have died down in free agency.

Elway said in recent weeks that he knew “there’s going to be some changes coming … that’s the league. We have some tough choices, but you want tough choices, because if you’re not looking at tough choice after tough choice then you’re not as good as you need to be to compete.’’


There should be no sugar-coating it: Elway has stumbled out of the blocks. He still could recover, but there seems to be a near-unrealistic expectation that he's "got this" because he's John Elway. At the moment, he has no quarterback -- a predicament due in part to Elway's inability to get linebacker Von Miller signed to a long-term deal -- and he foolishly offered a low tender to running back C.J. Anderson. On Thursday, Anderson signed an offer sheet with the Dolphins that will be difficult for the Broncos to match. Tack on the free-agent departures of defensive tackle Malik Jackson and linebacker Danny Trevathan, and it's difficult to imagine the Broncos in the 2016 championship mix.

Yates: Dolphins' moves keeping them in cellar

Miami has traded for a bad contract and signed a defender coming off the worst season of his career, plus let young, talented players walk in free agency. What are you doing, Dolphins?
PFF On Free-Agent Fits

After the Super Bowl, with Peyton Manning retiring, it was the beginning of the end for that team of Broncos.

Yup. That was an all-or-nothing run. I'm pretty sure that everyone knew Peyton was retiring as far back as October - or at least had a strong inkling. It was built to win this year and then figure the rest out later.

They felt they had a pretty solid chance to hold onto Brock, and if not for the Texans losing their minds, they would have.

They aren't that bad off, however. They'll find and sign a QB, and it's Denver... they'll conjure a trio of backs out of nowhere and be able to run the ball just fine.

It won't be the same team that won, but those teams never are. Those teams ALWAYS get raided for the free agents that got lots of name recognition during their run to a championship.

So let's cut everyone who played for us last year

I hated Elway as a player. Despised him more than any guy in the league.

However, as a GM or whatever he is, he has had his team in multiple playoff games,two recent Super Bowls, and won a Super Bowl this past season.

I find it odd to criticize him. I find it laughable for a poster to post that article as some sort of defense for Haslam and Sashi. They have won NOTHING!

In case you didn't notice, I think that's what were doing. Hence, why everybodys upset.

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