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We're going to need someone to help block on the offensive line.

Personally I think we're going to trade for John Elway because he used to be a baseball player.

Bob Uecker's still alive; we could call him.

Then make at least one positive move and cut his A**

there have been some decent football playing baseball players.. Bo and Deion come to mind..

Mark Sanchez could become available...

I would say he feels like somebody was wearing steel toed boots when they kicked him in the balls.

Would you please show me all the people who are trashing the Browns because they lost ALL FOUR players? That's not objective. That's called a gross exaggeration to slide the argument in your favor.

I think it's you who doesn't get it.

Damn.

I find it amazing that a bad,3-13 team could actually find a way to get worse.
It was painfully obvious that MAck and Gipson were going to leave,not much could have been done to stop that.TB ehh,fast WR's that can't go over the middle are plentiful.
Schwartz,this one kills me.I refuse to allow myself to believe that the Browns rescinded an offer,because if true,it shows that this FO.
I'm sorry,I guess I don't really care enough any more to concern myself this mess.

Take heart, fans. We can guarantee that, at most, our loss total will only increase by 3.

I have no "argument" nor agenda and deliberately trying to avoid being confrontational as the issue is very sensitive to many posters. I have reresd Devil's post several times and continue to believe that his post was objective, balanced, and rational...

Of course you would......

Vers, you never miss a chance to reduce threads to a personal level do you? I don't know why I'm going to bother to take the time but...

mac's OP expressed a lot of disappointment and betrayal (to put it lightly). Others through out the thread of expressed similar feelings to varying degrees. I'm not interested in getting in to any particular pissing matches with anyone as I absolutely understand the sentiment and the feeling. I really do. You yourself have eve continued your agenda in regards to your belief that this FO can't do anything right, and that every little thing that doesn't go our (or more precisely YOUR way) is irrefutable proof of your position. My post was along the lines of "talking people away from the ledge".

Would you seriously disagree that Benjamin ISN'T replaceable? I believe he is, so no, I'm not upset he's gone.

Do you honestly think that there was more than a slim chance at best Mack would stay? It sucks, but it's not a surprise either.

Are you honestly going to deny that despite his talent, Gipson does have legit injury concerns? Maybe you would pay him massive $$, but more level headed people are going to be a little more reluctant to shell out that kind of dough for a guy you're not sure can even play a half season's worth of games. I love Gipson as much as anybody, but he's worthless to us on the sidelines.

As to Shwartz, I plainly admitted that I don't know enough about the position so I wouldn't comment on the impact of his loss. I have to wait until i see how his replacement whomever that may be performs.

In no way, shape, or form did I now, or in the past, ever blindly defend the FO. And if all you got out of my post is that I was, then you clearly didn't actually read it. You saw the letters and words, but you didn't read it.

Have a nice day!

thank you

Hopefully all of their algorithms and fancy maths can help the Browns field a viable product on the field next season... I'll give the browns 6 wins at most this year barring some miracle.

Six wins? I truthfully think that would be a miracle in itself. I'm not sure we come close to four wins this season, and the offense will play like the defense did last year and the defense will be slightly better with Horton.

So ...... kind of like the rest of us do?

Yeah, I'm predicting two wins right now (if I had to pick a random number), but the roster as-is could EASILY achieve 0-16.

I predict the over/under out of Vegas will be 4.5. LOL

For the Browns?

The way it's looking right now, we'll be lucky to see an over/under of 1.5.

Glad there's a plan. Althought the plan seems to be, play without a center and a right tackle. Or do you think those positions will fill themselves? We had holes we needed to fill in the draft before all our FA's left. Now we have three MORE to fill. You think we can fill those holes in one draft? In two? And when more of our own guys walk next year making even more holes we can fill them ALL with the draft? Here's hoping you weren't expecting this team to win more than 4 games a season in the foreseeable future....I guess that IS the plan. LOSE early and often. Great plan.

Horton isn't a miracle worker. He has zero pass rushers and a secondary that's in a shambles. This defense was in much better shape the last time Horton was here. We could easily go 1-15. I'd say 0-16 but it's hard not to win one by accident. Nice to know we will absolutely have the first pick in the draft next year.

I know, I think Jimmy O'Neil really fudged the defense and made the product even worse than what it truly is/was. Hence why I said "slightly better" as Horton has lots of work to put in.

I'm happy. Clean house. They don't want to be here then let the door hit them in the arse on the way out. It's time. Stop trying to hire new everybody in the F.O. and on the sidelines and ask them to build a Super Bowl team on the manure left by multiple admins and coaches from multiple years back.

To me? This is a new day. I'm more optimistic then I have been in 17 years.

Use the money and draft picks wisely. Build and move forward. Go Browns!

I love Joe. I got him to sign my Joe Thomas jersey in camp his first season. And I laughingly asked him to put H.O.F. after his sig. He smiled and said, "Not yet."

Joe is 31 and hasn't missed a snap. That might make him an iron man but it also brings the odds of him experiencing an injury high. Wear and tear is a killer. He's at the average life span in the career of an NFL O-lineman, 10 years. Max years, per history, is around 16-17.

Personally, with his high character I think that even if he isn't happy with these decisions he will give 110% on the field.

Now...his value on the auction block is very high. And in all fairness, I think the club owes him the chance to get a ring and his share of a Lombardi with a solid winning team.

That's all I got to say about that.

Can you pm me your demographic info? I want to set up a Gofundme page to cover your mental health treatment.

Benjamin and Gipson both got way overpaid. Bademosi was a bum and we all knew Mack was out the door already. Schwartz is really the only one I'm upset we let get away but word is that he was playing teams off each other and wasn't exactly dealing ethically.

We were 3-13 kids.... change clearly cannot be a bad thing.

Badmostly is gone? Can't say this one tears me up a whole lot.

Bademosi is a great, great special teams player.

Yes, losing him will hurt us.

So was Cribbs, we didn't win with him either.

I agree 1,000%

I agree also. We have new people and a new system so let's give them a chance. If you got a new job and were put in charge you would want a fair shot at succeeding and wouldn't want to be condemned before you barely started. If people wanted to leave so be it. We'll get players who may want to be here and want a shot. At this point we have no other option but to go with it. JMHO

Except Schwartz and Gipson wanted to be here... Can't speak or care about Bademosi. I'm not going to underestimate the genius of Chris "The Cockroach" Tabor. There must be a reason.

Using your logic,we should get rid of every player on the team,especially Joe Thomas as he is overpaid.
We didn't win with him,change is good.

Unlike you, possibly, I'm in no need of charity or any type of hand out. Unlike you possibly, I have more then ample finances and net worth to handle psychiatric care and I don't beg from people. Thank you!

Perhaps you can use a portion of your net worth to buy a few grammar lessons.

I was in sales and sales management my entire life. I learned one thing very early and utilized always. There are three kinds of people.

1) Superstars. They out perform. They will always out perform. And they need practically no maintenance.

2) Cows. You milk the cows for whatever you can get out of them and they require a ton of attention and maintenance.

3) Dogs. You take the dogs out and shoot them.

If I was a new staff in this situation I'd treat it like every business I've ever run. Evaluate and decide, who are the superstars (and are they worth their price), who are the cows (and how easily can we live without them) and who are the dogs.

Frankly, Mack was not pro-bowl caliber impressive this last season. Our O-line sucked. He's a cow. Let him go. Benjamin hovered between superstar and cow. But, his liability in expense was too much considering how many possible superstars we can get cheaper and younger. Gipson never impressed me. He's a dog, imho. And Schwartz is an unfortunate victim in a housecleaning. I would have like to see us keep him.

Oh boy! A grammar nazi! Ain't you impressive. Hardy har har.