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are you saying sashi was doing Farmers job last year? and one thing I have learned in life, you can't fire the owner

...and the fact remains that at least three of the players we lost wanted out. One because he thinks Jax has a better chance of winning, one because the guy that used to be our oc is there, and one because of various reasons, including citing weather

You are making things up to defend a huge fail.

I am saying that it was common knowledge that there "were too many cooks in the kitchen." How are you guys forgetting that? Haslam and Sashi were part of that.

There is an entire building which has people from last year doesn't mean all of them had say in who stayed who didn't.

Farmer got blamed for a lot that wasn't his fault according to you.

I suppose you missed the claims from other GMs in dealing w/the Browns?

Look..........you ain't gonna admit nothing because you are in full combat gear ready to defend the Crook and the Lawyer. That's fine.........but please don't act like we are having a rational conversation here.

We completely disagree on the direction of the Browns. Best to leave it at that.

Hey......just thought of something. The Crook and The Lawyer. A match made in heaven if there ever was one.

Yep can't debate someone who uses 5 year old mentality in name calling...not something adults do.

What fail am I defending? I don't remember defending anything. I'm just saying "it is what it is, and let's move on" and "there's no sense in trying to retain players that clearly didnt want to be here.

As far as signing people, a few overpriced free agents are not going to cure this team. No matter what we do, it's going to take a while. Free agency almost never turns a bad team into a good team. IF we sign a couple or few free agents, that work out, that's a nice bonus

Extend contracts of key players (like we did with Barnidge, Haden, and TRIED to do with others like Benjamim and Scwartz if you remember) and do well in the draft. If they do this, they are doing it right, IMO.

We had already offered some of these guys extensions before F.A began, so saying that they are just "letting them go" is kind of fallacious. The only thing I see that is questionable is pulling the offer on Swartz, but I dont know the whole story on that

Making stuff up to defend a Fail!!! You want to talk fail. Then lets talk fail. This team has failed every year except for 2 since the rebirth. You are wailing and gnashing of teeth over players that have been losers since they have been here. I could care less if they trade or let Joe Thomas, Joe Haden, or anyone else on this sorry team go. I said last year at the trade deadline when they were talking about trading everyone I would trade all 53 of these losers.

Maybe the bigger fail was drafting Alex Mack, Mitchell Schwartz, Travis Benjamin than letting them go. How many wins did they bring this team?

Who ever heard of paying a center 10 million dollars a year? The Seahawks Oline has been terrible yet they have been to 2 of the last 3 superbowls. The Broncos oline has been maligined and they have also been to 2 of the last 3 super bowls. We have had the highest paid oline for a few years and we win what 3 to 4 games per year. And we should all be upset that these losers left in free agency. Heck all 53 of them can go!

I don't know if Sashi will be any good or not but I ain't going to criticize them for letting players that have been here for 4 to 6 years and have not produced wins.

Yeah guys. The moves were great. The Browns finally have a plan.

This is some of the most absurd logic I've been exposed to in a long while.

So, because a team is underperforming - which, mind you, is because this front office keeps letting the good players walk (or just releases them) - you're completely Ok with cutting bait on all the few good parts of it remaining??


That is some of the most uninformed, whacked out, apologistic logic ...ever.

It's quite simple:

• If you don't, at some point, begin to retain your good talent, you will never amount to anything.
• If you don't, at some point, stop changing coaches and schemes every two years, you will never amount to anything.
• If you don't, at some point, actually start BUILDING something instead of always tearing down what you have, you will never amount to anything.

I agree they need to end the cycle they are currently on. They need to stop changing coaches, front office, and players. But, they also need to change the culture. How do you do that with the same loser players? I am still waiting to see them dump Dwayne Bowe. His coasting for a contract needs to go.

This team only won 3 games last season. How much worse can they actually be? 3 games worse? Who cares. If you are going to suck might as well suck the worse. Paying a Center and a Right Tackle big money to produce only 3 wins does not make sense either. Trade the 2 Joe's and start this thing over.

When the existing culture is being created and dictated by changing coaching staffs and front office roullete.... trashing your player roster isn't going to accomplish a damned thing except guarantee a self-fulfilling prophecy of "Oh, no. We suck again!"

Still. We suck still.

Pete Prisco gave all the teams Free Agency Grades. Only one team got an F. You can guess who that was.

Here is the link:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/pete...y-one-big-fat-f

I think that I have it figured out!

Sashi and DePodesta don't want to pay any player more than they, themselves, make.

Brilliant! After all. it's the front office, not players, who win games!

It is a bit unfair to give a team a grade after something is not complete.

This is like giving a student a test, then taking the test from them after the are only 25% done and grading it.

(With that said, we haven't done well at this point.)

So our 1st quarter grade is an F. It is a big, fat, nasty, smelly, open oozing sore disgusting, stinking F.

Sure we've had our shares of C's and D's in the past, but getting this kind of an F really takes commitment.

You didn't read the article, did you?

I am only interested in the final grade.

Eric Weddle is signing with the Ravens.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/709431851857932288

The part of free agency where you improve your starters is over. We are now into the phase where the good-to-great players are off the table and you're merely backfilling depth (which, in our case, would be improving our starters).

So, in essence, the valuable part of free agency is over. Everything from here on is bargain bin shopping.

I disagree. There are plenty of starting quality players available.

Ravens got Eric Weddle.

This sucks. Weddle is one of my favorite safeties. Older than 30+ or not, he's a beast back there and has been for some time.

Baltimore was terrible last year, and hdd been trending downward for a while..

But they are still "The Baltimore Ravens"

Same FO, Same HC, Same QB.

So even being terrible last season, they can still bring in high valued FAs.

I don't hold the new FO completely responsible for the loss of our players. Mack, to me the most important of them, was gone anyway. I hoped he would stay. But he wanted out 2 years ago when we did a complete reboot, but was essentially forced to stay by the transition tag. Now, again with the opportunity to leave, he was looking at yet another complete reboot with less of a career to waste with another rebuilding process. In retrospect, I don't think we had a realistic chance of keeping him.

Benji and Gibson are both players with good qualities and flaws. I like them both, but neither is irreplaceable. They too had hard feelings toward the Browns and I think were gone either way as well. Schwartz was the only one I think we could have kept. If the reports are true, then here is where the FO dropped the ball.

Lets face it, the Browns are not a team good players want to play for. Until we change the culture, the reputation, and record of the team, we will continue to lose good players while good FA will continue to choose other teams. And that will not change overnight. It will take years of steady improvement to change that image.

And yes, that is what I said about the old regime too. The facts of this have not changed even if the faces have.

There are so, so many of you repeating the same things over and over again. Soon, these things will become accepted as fact on here rather than opinions because you all repeat them over and over and over......

That type of posting has bothered me for a long, long time. People make stuff up and say it enough times that other people say it and then it becomes "fact."

It's irresponsible and deceptive.

Here we go again.....

when I post each and every time it is only my opinion I am posting. Unless Iam sharing information and then it comes with a link...My opinions do change from time to time, but not that often

The only things that are not opinion are direct quotes from players and coaches, direct observation of what happens on the field, (and even that can depend on one player or another making a mistake that screws up the whole play, and not having a play book or a coaches tape, we don't know those all the time either) or a firm statistical examination of players. (which many on here treat as if it came from the devil) I grant that even stats carry an interpretation factor with them.

We interpret or opine regarding almost everything that happens with this team. on or off the field.

Kimberly Martin (@KMart_LI) tweeting that former Jets ILB Demario Davis is visiting the Browns right now. Retweeted by Grossi.

The dude has started all 16 games for NYJ the past three years?

just saw this as well. Haven't heard of him, is he any good? starter? back up?

yeah but he really struggled in coverage recently. Jets fans aren't real sad about letting him walk. That's why he's still available.

Yeah, I don't know much about him. I defer to your better judgment.

I was excited about him coming out of college, but there's a reason the Jets are letting their three-year starter who is 27 walk.

basically then a push for replacing Robertson?

He can defend the run which is all I care about.