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Where is Old Cold Dawg tonight? Camping?


Licking my wounds 40. licking my wounds. This country deserves Hillary or Trump. They are just too stupid to vote for their own best interest. I'll never understand it.

I formally concede that Bernie has almost no chance now, short of an indictment. wink


Well sorry for your loss but we will still keep you in the Family so don't go no place. smile

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i've made it clear that i supported hilary from the jump.

Trump Vs Hilary....come on now.

i like her in almost every way imaginable over trump.

and this is just an ADDED bonus, she's a woman.

the democrats will continue making history while the republicans keep trying to find ways to regress the country.

keep those little house on the prairies outfits in idaho for the religious polygamist, please.


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The orange one wins NC and IL.

After all that crap about him being shut down he wins Illinois.


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The orange one wins NC and IL.

After all that crap about him being shut down he wins Illinois.


Yeah...all those hateful Bernie supporters and Bernie looses Illinois.


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yea, but that's fine. made sure i voted for hilary.



And that's your right.

As for democrats, I'd much rather see Bernie get the nod. At least he's open and upfront about what he wants. Not 10% of what he wants will pass congress. Hillary? She's out for herself, and she'll crap on anyone that gets in her way. She talks out of the sides of her mouth so much it makes me want to vomit.

As for the republicans - Trump is a loud mouth.


This is what I believe. Something about Hillary just majorly rubs be the wrong way and she just feels like such a slimy typical politican. There's something about her and I think she is the most dishonest candidate. Not that Trump is a saint but I am just saying.


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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
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Where is Old Cold Dawg tonight? Camping?


Licking my wounds 40. licking my wounds. This country deserves Hillary or Trump. They are just too stupid to vote for their own best interest. I'll never understand it.

I formally concede that Bernie has almost no chance now, short of an indictment. wink




Voting for bernie is not in the best interest of anyone who works for a living. Sooner or later, those that don't work will outnumber those who do and you'll get your socialist utopia.


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Disappointed, but I'll still vote for Trump. I'm tempted to not vote, but I always have and won't stop now. Makes it easier since its Hillary. I won't look at is as voting for Trump as much as voting against her.

I still think a guy like Kasich would have beat Hillary, but it's going to be shaky with Trump.

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Just like every other election ever we're down to the lessor of two Weevils.



Now I have to decide which one bugs me the least...

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Just listening to her voice makes me cringe. I'd hate to think of 4/8 years of that.


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lemme just say, as a resident of ohio, that i'm so glad that the majority of our voters don't favor a guy like trump.

at least we have some sort of moral standard.


and I am embarrassed that they support a guy who is against our elderly, our disabled, and our residents with Developmental Disabilities. blush


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lemme just say, as a resident of ohio, that i'm so glad that the majority of our voters don't favor a guy like trump.

at least we have some sort of moral standard.


and I am embarrassed that they support a guy who is against our elderly, our disabled, and our residents with Developmental Disabilities. blush


But voting for the guy that openly mocks the disabled and those with developmental disabilities while at the podium is okay?


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I am not a big Trump fan either, but I would rather vote for a guy who mocked them than a guy who takes food off their table. The saddest thing about this election is that nobody on either side deserves our votes.


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We choose the nominee, not the voters: Senior GOP official


Political parties, not voters, choose their presidential nominees, a Republican convention rules member told CNBC, a day after GOP front-runner Donald Trump rolled up more big primary victories.

"The media has created the perception that the voters choose the nomination. That's the conflict here," Curly Haugland, an unbound GOP delegate from North Dakota, told CNBC's "Squawk Box" on Wednesday. He even questioned why primaries and caucuses are held.

Haugland is one of 112 Republican delegates who are not required to cast their support for any one candidate because their states and territories don't hold primaries or caucuses.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/03/16/we-choose-the-nominee-not-the-voters-senior-gop-official.html

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yes, please have a brokered convention!!! i want train wreck to be the most gloriousin political history!! that combined with the news that obama is about to nominated a moderate judge we was ALREADY confirmed before, who knows what the GOP is gonna do?

i got popcorn for everybody!!!


Boehner backs Paul Ryan for president

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/boehner-endorses-paul-ryan-for-president-220855

BOCA RATON, Fla. — Former Speaker John Boehner said Paul Ryan should be the Republican nominee for president if the party fails to choose a candidate on the first ballot.
"If we don't have a nominee who can win on the first ballot, I'm for none of the above," Boehner said at the Futures Industry Association conference here. "They all had a chance to win. None of them won. So I'm for none of the above. I'm for Paul Ryan to be our nominee."
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Wading into the GOP nominating battle for the first time since leaving office last fall, Boehner said that "anybody can be nominated" at the convention in Cleveland this summer.
Boehner, who now splits his time between Florida, Ohio and D.C., had long whispered to friends that he believes Ryan could be the party's political savior if it came to that.
But Boehner never said it publicly until now.
In the same question-and-answer session here, Boehner referred to Ted Cruz as "lucifer." He previously called the Texas senator, who led the failed Republican effort to shut down the government over Obamacare, a “jackass.”
On Tuesday, Ryan told CNBC that he believes one "should run for president if you're gonna be president, if you wanna be president." He said he was happy serving as speaker of the House.
"I'm not running for president," Ryan said. "I made that decision, consciously, not to. I don't see that happening. I'm not thinking about it. I'm happy where I am, so no."
Seconds later, Ryan said he hadn't given "any thought" to a contested convention, and "a lot of people" are running for president."
It’s possible, of course, that frontrunner Donald Trump will garner the 1,237 delegates needed to win the nomination outright.
Boehner, an Ohio Republican who resigned last fall after pressure from conservatives on Capitol Hill, said he voted for his governor, John Kasich, in the Buckeye State primary. Boehner and Kasich served together in the House for a decade.
Boehner is also friendly with Trump. The business mogul was in the Capitol when Boehner awarded Jack Nicklaus with the congressional gold medal. Both good golfers, Boehner and Trump have hit the links together on several occasions.
Temple-West reported from Boca Raton, Florida, and Sherman reported from Washington.


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/boehner-endorses-paul-ryan-for-president-220855#ixzz434pTvcVi
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Rest In Peace To The Republican Party

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnzogby/2016/03/16/rest-in-peace-to-the-republican-party/#57247c716fe3

The Republican Party, known by its nickname as the Grand Old Party, died on March 15, 2016. It was 162 years old. The party, born in the strife of the 1850s, succumbed to internal strife, sources said.

The GOP had been suffering from hopeless internal divisiveness brought on by multiple sectors internally all claiming to be the “real conservatives” and no one ready to agree on a unifying theme. The party stopped breathing because of demographics that were stacked against it and its inability to adjust to a different America demographically, culturally, and having a worldview that didn’t recognize new global realities.

What accelerated its demise, however, was the consistent victories and accumulation of delegates by real estate mogul and reality television star Donald Trump. Party sources said that Trump was able to exploit fears of white Americans who could not adjust to a changing America. One Trump supporter told us that “We grew up in an all-white America with Christian values. We look around and see immigrants, Muslims, people who are just not like us.” Others cited Supreme Court decisions that granted gay Americans the right to marry and legislation that expanded healthcare coverage to millions of previously uninsured Americans.

Party officials made last ditch efforts to revive the dying party but primary voters granted Trump victories in key states like Florida, Illinois and North Carolina. Given that Trump ran a campaign against party officials, eschewed the services of GOP policy elite advisors, ignored the role of campaign consultants, and—according to many party leaders—most likely did not believe much (if any) of the things he was saying, any effort by GOP establishment to stop Trump was doomed before it really began.


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“How do you deny the nomination to someone who actually comes to the party’s convention with the most votes? Are we a party that respects votes or a party that bows to its elites?” said one Trump supporter.

But several of those party elites reiterated that “We just cannot go into this general election with a nominee who attacks Hispanics, Muslims, foreign nations, women and more.” Others noted that they simply cannot support Trump as a Republican candidate. Ironically, sources said, the very group—notably Millennials—who were not necessarily enthusiastic about likely Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton would probably raise their intensity level to vote against Trump.

In short, according to GOP officials, “We had a choice to either accept Trump as our nominee or fight his nomination. Either way we lose.”

The GOP leaves behind millions of supporters identified as “real conservatives,” angry whites who just could not adjust to change.

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I may be dead wrong about this, especially since Hillary Clinton is a damaged candidate and the GOP has strong state parties that control the majority of state governorships and legislatures.

But after March 15, it appears that the GOP is heading towards some serious bloodletting. There may be some efforts to sit down and “make deals” with Donald Trump, but he has said a lot of things about a lot of people—and those statements are simply not going away.


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In the same question-and-answer session here, Boehner referred to Ted Cruz as "lucifer." He previously called the Texas senator, who led the failed Republican effort to shut down the government over Obamacare, a “jackass.”


That line right there, if Beohner hates the guy, he's got to be a pretty effective guy against the establishment that is screwing everything up.



I'm not about to trust this guys judgement.


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But several of those party elites reiterated that “We just cannot go into this general election with a nominee who attacks Hispanics, Muslims, foreign nations, women and more.” Others noted that they simply cannot support Trump as a Republican candidate.


Uhm, do they not understand they've been attacking these groups on a regular basis for the past decade?!

They've created this monster, and they must live with it.

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But several of those party elites reiterated that “We just cannot go into this general election with a nominee who attacks Hispanics, Muslims, foreign nations, women and more.” Others noted that they simply cannot support Trump as a Republican candidate.


Uhm, do they not understand they've been attacking these groups on a regular basis for the past decade?!

They've created this monster, and they must live with it.


Trump just won Fla while kicking the crap out of two Hispanics. Do you know how many Hispanics are in Fla? It would appear they aren't voting race.


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the number of hispanic republicans is probably lower than the number of hispanic democrats.

remember when trump said he got the hispanic vote in nevada?

everybody was in awe....until they found that the number of hispanics who voted was about 2k.

lets not get ahead of ourselves, here.


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Fox news just had to cancel the next debate since Trump and Kasich bailed on it.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-primaries/273243-fox-news-cancels-gop-debate-report

makes sense, there's been more than enough, imo.

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the number of hispanic republicans is probably lower than the number of hispanic democrats.

remember when trump said he got the hispanic vote in nevada?

everybody was in awe....until they found that the number of hispanics who voted was about 2k.

lets not get ahead of ourselves, here.


There's enough Hispanics to Vote Rubio into office.


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Many of the Hispanic people are a hard working group. They love their families and favor those things that support their traditional family values. They would like to keep more of what they earn. They are the leaders of this Nation in job creation through their top position of starting the most small businesses in this Country. They are struggling with illegal immigrants working for pennies on the dollar, keeping their wages low, taking away their jobs. They are a true asset to our Nation.

They also do not want to see their new Country destroyed by the socialist programs offered by the Democrats. Many of them believe people should work for their livelihoods.

They are already Republicans at heart and we will carry their vote as we make America great again because it is also what they want.

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"They love their families and favor those things that support their traditional family values."

you keep saying this, but how is this only limited to hispanics? you trying to say whites, blacks, asians, and arabs don't possess the same qualities?

and if what you said was true, than why does the majority of hispanic voters go democrat?

the majority of the country as a whole doesn't wants to make america hate again.

your boy is gonna get slaughtered in the general.

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and after his voting record got put on blast, there will be enough to vote him out.


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Many of the Hispanic people are a hard working group. They love their families and favor those things that support their traditional family values. They would like to keep more of what they earn. They are the leaders of this Nation in job creation through their top position of starting the most small businesses in this Country. They are struggling with illegal immigrants working for pennies on the dollar, keeping their wages low, taking away their jobs. They are a true asset to our Nation.

They also do not want to see their new Country destroyed by the socialist programs offered by the Democrats. Many of them believe people should work for their livelihoods.

They are already Republicans at heart and we will carry their vote as we make America great again because it is also what they want.


If they truely understood Trump's desire to create jobs they would have just stayed in Mexico.
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Rest In Peace To The Republican Party

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnzogby/2016/03/16/rest-in-peace-to-the-republican-party/#57247c716fe3

The Republican Party, known by its nickname as the Grand Old Party, died on March 15, 2016. It was 162 years old. The party, born in the strife of the 1850s, succumbed to internal strife, sources said.

The GOP had been suffering from hopeless internal divisiveness brought on by multiple sectors internally all claiming to be the “real conservatives” and no one ready to agree on a unifying theme. The party stopped breathing because of demographics that were stacked against it and its inability to adjust to a different America demographically, culturally, and having a worldview that didn’t recognize new global realities.

What accelerated its demise, however, was the consistent victories and accumulation of delegates by real estate mogul and reality television star Donald Trump. Party sources said that Trump was able to exploit fears of white Americans who could not adjust to a changing America. One Trump supporter told us that “We grew up in an all-white America with Christian values. We look around and see immigrants, Muslims, people who are just not like us.” Others cited Supreme Court decisions that granted gay Americans the right to marry and legislation that expanded healthcare coverage to millions of previously uninsured Americans.

Party officials made last ditch efforts to revive the dying party but primary voters granted Trump victories in key states like Florida, Illinois and North Carolina. Given that Trump ran a campaign against party officials, eschewed the services of GOP policy elite advisors, ignored the role of campaign consultants, and—according to many party leaders—most likely did not believe much (if any) of the things he was saying, any effort by GOP establishment to stop Trump was doomed before it really began.


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“How do you deny the nomination to someone who actually comes to the party’s convention with the most votes? Are we a party that respects votes or a party that bows to its elites?” said one Trump supporter.

But several of those party elites reiterated that “We just cannot go into this general election with a nominee who attacks Hispanics, Muslims, foreign nations, women and more.” Others noted that they simply cannot support Trump as a Republican candidate. Ironically, sources said, the very group—notably Millennials—who were not necessarily enthusiastic about likely Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton would probably raise their intensity level to vote against Trump.

In short, according to GOP officials, “We had a choice to either accept Trump as our nominee or fight his nomination. Either way we lose.”

The GOP leaves behind millions of supporters identified as “real conservatives,” angry whites who just could not adjust to change.

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I may be dead wrong about this, especially since Hillary Clinton is a damaged candidate and the GOP has strong state parties that control the majority of state governorships and legislatures.

But after March 15, it appears that the GOP is heading towards some serious bloodletting. There may be some efforts to sit down and “make deals” with Donald Trump, but he has said a lot of things about a lot of people—and those statements are simply not going away.


The same exact thing is happening to the Dems. The GOP just made it there first. Bernie Sanders is literally the DEM version of Trump. They align on a LOT of issues. I did the "Who do I side with" and it came back 77% Trump and 73% Bernie.



Both are extremely anti establishment. The GOP group, just had enough of the establishment before the DEMS. If Hilary gets elected, they will be ready for anti establishment the next time around.

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yea...not really.

as Dems, we take our L's and just roll with it. Sanders was a real dude, but you saying he was the Dem's version of Trump is exactly why Clnton swept the primaries yesterday.

his ideas are great. the way he wants to accomplish said ideas are not.

same thing with trump, and the liberals have made it clear that we don't want to be so far left like the GOP has become now that they are far right.

as center left as possible is the ideal way. the people have confirmed that yesterday.

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right?

still waiting for him to bring those jobs back from mexico and china to the US, btw.


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In your zeal to Hate Trump and the Republicans you completely miss the point. Try now to think unemotionally for a moment, Would you respect Trump more if he stupidly had his clothes made in America where they would be too expensive to sell or can you see a wise businessman producing them cheaply elsewhere and turning a profit.

This is happening all over America as we can not compete because of poor trade deals, manipulation of currencies, and some of the highest corporate taxes on the planet.

Both Trump and Cruz want to change this stupidity and make America competitive again. thumbsup

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Trump has done more to affirm every negative thing said about them than every candidate I've seen them run in my lifetime. And you don't have to take that from me, you can take that from Republicans.

Trump is a baffoon and as Cruz himself said, he wants to find out if sand can glow.

While you may be happy about that, neither can win the presidency. That only hurts your cause, not help it.

The only logical candidate the GOP could run and stand a chance at winning would have been Kasich. But anger has taken over common sense.

You will be one I'll directly blame for getting Hillary elected. Shame on you!


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yes, because at least he would be leading by example.

"hey guys, we need to do stuff this way, even though i'm doing something another way"

you keep saying we need leadership, well one thing i know from being a leader is that people won't respect you unless you lead by example.

why should i, or ANYBODY take him seriously when he has a history of doing the exact opposite of what he's current trying to pass off to voters?


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I'm stunned Boehner didn't pledge his support for Trump. I mean, where else can you find 2 orange-ier Oompa-Loompa people?


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at least he has great hair for his age.


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Originally Posted By: Swish
"They love their families and favor those things that support their traditional family values."

you keep saying this, but how is this only limited to hispanics? you trying to say whites, blacks, asians, and arabs don't possess the same qualities?

and if what you said was true, than why does the majority of hispanic voters go democrat?

the majority of the country as a whole doesn't wants to make america hate again.

your boy is gonna get slaughtered in the general.


Is that fact (in your opinion), fiction or just Swish looking into his crystal ball?


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so it's only my opinion that other races, not just hispanics love their families?

pretty low, C.

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Uh Oh, victim time. rolleyes

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not a victim time, just asking for clarification.

which you didn't clarify either. you just spun out, as usual.


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Originally Posted By: Swish
not a victim time, just asking for clarification.

which you didn't clarify either. you just spun out, as usual.


The fact you can not comprehend when someone is speaking about the Hispanic population has nothing to do with the rest of the population does not deserve a further explanation from me.

The problem is yours.
The time wasted was mine.

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not a problem, just a discussion.

but i'm glad we're giving political answers even though we aren't politicians.

you should run for office.


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