DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2016 NFL Season 2016 NFL Draft Jared Goff excited about possibility of Browns drafting him at No. 2

Show me one successful QB with his stick arms and legs. They look smaller than Bridgewater's, and he's the closest I can come up with.

I agree. Hopefully our picker gets it right.

Did you know that in Tom Brady's first 3 years with 46 starts, he fumbled 36 times? That's an average of 1 fumble in 78.2% of his games...

Over his career he has fumbled 155 times in his 222 regular season starts.. that's 69.8%

I think the reason that Hue doesn't want a QB with small hands is because it is easier to post things on twitter using your phone with small hands.

Things like partying when you told the world you were in Berea with your dog. Which is really weird when you live in Avon.

I believe you are right and I think it comes down to deniability... if you draft a guy with a measurable outside of what is considered "NFL quality".. and that guy fails, you are going to get hit much harder than if you draft a guy who fits all of the measurables and he fails.. even if he seemed to generally lacking in some talent or instincts...

People can say it's wrong or it's right, doesn't matter... but I believe there is a certain amount of "job protection" that goes into this thought process.

the irony of that is, if you are a GM (and probably a coach too) and you draft a QB in the top 5 and 2/3 years in he looks like a bust, you are going to get fired... I don't care what metrics you used as justification for drafting him.

That's kind of what prompted my question as to "what constitutes a fumble?" There is the strip sack type fumble.. then there is the shotgun snap that hits you in the ankles... if they both count equally, then I would assume you would need more data to determine if 23 is really a lot... I had trouble finding any information on other college QBs and the number of times they fumble.

But I did find, after my previous post, that Aaron Rodgers (who is alleged to have small hands as well) has only fumbled in 45% of his games..

I don't know what all of that means, I assume a lot of it has to do with # of dropbacks per game, pocket presence and ability to instinctively avoid the rush, quality of the OL, etc...

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...-at-nfl-combine

http://www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/nfl-s...dgewater-022216




I believe Michael Vick had among the smallest they ever measured for a QB. RGIII, Winston, Bortles, and Tannehill all have small hands.



If I had other concerns about Goff, it would make me more concerned about the size of his hands. I think Goff is good enough to overcome this overblown issue.

Man, Lynch has some huge mitts.

I can say that I have hands that are big enough for me to be an NFL QB .... because my hands are about 1/8 of an inch larger than Vick's.

Phew......what a relief. He sure as heck won't be pressured in the NFL. That league doesn't have all the outstanding pass rushers that the PAC 12 and Air Force threw at him.

My guess is that he will be pressured less in his first NFL year than he was in college (especially in 2013 and 2014).

Also, he dealt with pressure better than any QB in this draft.

Well, you got the part about you guessing right.

It's all we have at this point.

(Just like your guess that Goff won't be good.)

The NFL game is much faster. QBs have to throw it faster. The pass rushers get there quicker. The pass defenders break on the ball faster. That ain't a guess.

My opinions on Goff and the other qbs are a guess. I have stated that it's just my opinion and I could be wrong.....several times, which is very unlike some people who claim that Wentz or Goff are going to be good, as if it is a fact.

And one other thing. I never said he stinks. I have never said any of them stink. I said Kap stinks, but he is already in the NFL.

I think the top 3 qbs can succeed. I just don't think the odds are as high as most of you do. I think it is a big gamble to choose one of them so high. Heck, you guys can't even agree who is the best qb of the bunch and you wanna mortgage your future to one of those guys?

Also, Pit brought up the Andrew Luck argument. I never said a guy had to be as good as Luck coming out. How can you guys forget me pimping Teddy and the other qbs a couple of years ago. I thought there were a few guys in that draft who were safer than anyone in this draft. Then, there was Manziel. Nah.....I don't even wanna talk about him.

Anyway...........I need to say this again..........I DO NOT THINK ANY OF THE TOP THREE QBS IN THIS DRAFT SUCKS!!!

I have said that several times, but somehow people come to that conclusion because I don't want any of them at number 2. Weird.

You know, I am thinking back to that draft when we got Manziel.

I think many of you remember how I pimped Teddy. LOL

I was thinking about how much time I spent looking at qbs that year.

Teddy didn't start off at the top of my list, but I was amazed by how smart he was. I love smart QBs.

Carr had all the tools. Very pretty passer. Better skills by far than any qb in this draft. I did not like him as much as Teddy because I thought he wasn't tough enough in the pocket. I thought he was gun-shy and either took sacks or more often than not, checked down too early. I used to argue w/Mourg and steve about that. I have to say that Carr is way tougher than I thought.

I had Manziel as my second guy. I was not aware of all the off the field stuff. I was aware of some of it, but not to that extent. I always said he was boom or bust.

Bortles was my sleeper. LOL......watched him early on and mentioned us maybe getting him later, like the 3rd. No one was talking about him nationally at the time. I did predict he would shoot up the boards, but man, I never thought he would go that high when I first saw him.

I liked Jimmy G, but I really didn't stufy him as much. I thought he threw into traffic too much, but other than that, I liked him.

Mettenberger started off very high. Maybe first. But man, that stiff front leg. I knew he would get injured. And then I saw he was really erratic.

Who else was in that class? I remember watching others. They started high but fizzled later.

I liked a lot of the top guys, but I admit I was smitten w/Teddy and really talked him up and others down a bit. Kinda like some of you are doing now w/Wentz and Goff. I thought it was okay then, but I find y'all annoying. I guess I was, too.

my hands are 9 1/4" at 6'tall man I could be a QB for sure...hold on I'm calling Dee. Be forewarned though I might be a hold out because I'm demanding top five money. I have the hands for it ...jk

Both Goff and Wentz are supposedly very smart guys for whatever it's worth.

Goff has even been compared to Bridgewater by some with regards to how he consumes the game.

After Goff's pro day workout was over, Pep Hamilton walked over and squirted water on a ball and had Goff throw some wet balls. I have never heard or seen that before during a public workout.

I think Goff is the pick.

Or they are trying to convince the other 31 teams he is.

I should clarify, I don't think Goff is the pick because of what happened today. I have wanted him all along.

Finally, something interesting to read on this board!

Pro days, lol.

His hands grew too

Goff's hand measured 9 1/8 inches at Cal's pro day on Friday, just a bit bigger than it did roughly three weeks ago at the combine.

Here is the link, with video, to Pep watering the ball at Goff's Pro Day.

Browns' Pep Hamilton throws water on Jared Goff's Pro Day

Article

There is an article somewhere on the internets about the Arkansas QB doing exercises to make his hand size grow.

Analytics guys told Pep that there's a 68.7% chance of a ball being wet in AFC North climates in the fall / early winter. Anyway, I always thought a wet ball was easier to grip. Its the cold ball in freezing weather that gives an advantage to guys with larger hands, IMO.

The No. 2 picks has got to be Wentz or Goff, and it looks like it is Hue's to make. There won't be a homeless guy piping up to Jimmy, and this front office is built to defer to Jackson on such matters. I am just fine with leaving it up to him.

yeah especially if they had a new ball, most of the water would have just repelled. put the ball in a cooler of ice water for about 30 minutes if you want a real test.

No, it's not Hue's decision. It's Sashi's. He will lean heavily on his scouts and Hue will be part of the team.

jared's are crooks. I had jewelry made for them they said was worth 2,000 and validated it for that much for insurance purposes but when I tried to sell it later they only wanted to give me $300 for it. Utter and complete crooks that will never get my business ever again.

I honestly don't like this guy. He has small hands and he looks a bit delicate too if you ask me. What worries me is that I get this gut feeling that there is some kind of mental issue with him that is a landmine. I know that is not scientific but my guts are almost always right on these kind of things.

I really hope we take wentz or lynch.

This is hilarious.

He went to Cal-Berkeley.

I don't think he was talking about him being dumb.