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Uh, preventing people from even getting to a speech is okay?

I am trying to imagine how the news media would treat it if a group of Young Republicans" were to create such a dangerous situation, as in Chicago, that a Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton rally had to be cancelled ..... if a Young Republican protester threw a rock through a window of the Clinton residence, or if they blocked off the road to a Clinton or Sanders campaign event.

Oh, I already know how it would be treated, the double standard has existed in the news media for decades now, and these people who would be courageous protesters if they were protesting a Republican, would be considered criminals, and racist filth. (even if they made no mention of race)

Heck, the Tea Party, for the most part, never even saw an event where race was even mentioned, yet somehow they were racists according to many in the news media. In fact, there were times at Tea Party rallies, where a person would show up with a racist sign, and they would be challenged by others in attendance, asking that person to get rid of the racist sign.

Why are our politics so dishonest and divisive? I think that it is in large part because our media is so dishonest and biased.

As for the media - check this headline out: "Black Woman Holding Fake Gun Killed by Police in Virginia"

Right there, you have everything that "sells". Race - black. Sex: Woman. And, "fake gun", followed by "killed by police.

Read the article though. The headline should've read "Person pulls handgun, waves it in threatening manner, and is killed".

http://news.yahoo.com/black-woman-holding-fake-gun-191600557.html

Trump is not a Conservative, he is a Republican.

Part of the problem in politics these days is there are zero conservative/moderates who can run on the Democrat side and zero Liberal/moderates who can survive the Republican side.

It is for the people to decide who they want, not the party.
Let them all run and we will pick who we want.

In Trumps case I am willing to sacrifice his liberal/moderate wrongness because I see him as something America really needs right now, a Businessman! A businessman who can bring both sides together and get things done, even tho it won't be all my way.

Cruz is everything I want in a Conservative but he has always been a stand your ground at all costs Lawyer, he can be a divider who I don't think will get anything done in Washington. He has never run anything either.

I will however vote for either of them come election time.

So it doesn't matter if they are actually a conservative as long as they have an R on the ticket.

Way to stick to your ground!

I find it admirable for a peaceful protest to obstruct a megalomaniac from spewing more hatred against the citizens of this country, and the world at large.

Peaceful protests are great.

Preventing, on a public highway no less, supporters getting to the rally seems a bit overboard, would you not agree?

What the haters did in Arizona was not a peaceful protest. It was illegal.

What about congestion that happens during rush hour, sporting events, busy holiday shopping, etc.

Seems the only outrage that happens against not being able to go somewhere is when it's about something people don't agree about, or feel their ideals are getting exposed.

Look at the bigger issue, Arch. The man spews hate, intolerance, and feels compelled to undo tons of hard work accomplished in civil rights. If he gets elected it won't affect us as white males, but he's going to try his best to make life hell for all minorities. This is why I'll get behind Hillary, and not just throw my vote away because Sanders won't make it to the national stage.

This is what compels people to participate in civil disobedience against Trump.

I'm pretty sure I've never said I was a Trump supporter. In fact, you can look back at who I voted for in Ohio last week if you care to.

Now, do you have a right to block a public road because you think people using that road, at that time, might be going to something you don't agree with?

Do you have a right to prevent someone from using a public highway because you don't agree with what they might be going to?

You would be fine with a group of people blocking the roads to a Bernie rally, or a Hillary rally, or a Carson rally? Maybe a Kasich rally? You'd be fine with that?

What if the black panthers blocked your way to vote? You'd be fine with that? What if the kkk blocked your way to the polls? You'd be fine with that?

Yes, it does seem that you are fine with blocking a public roadway as long as the blockers are on "your" side.

And further, if you're going to get behind hillary, that's fine. If you don't like what Trump has to say, that's fine.

But you certainly have no right to prevent people from traveling down a free way simply because they might be going to something you don't like.

Or, if you do think you have that right, then perhaps you'd agree that a group of people have the right to prevent you from going to the polls. No?

This is what irks me most this election cycle. You see the propaganda being spread and then one of our guys, Rocket getting scared we are talking about anointing the second coming of Adolf Hitler and the KKK for Congress!

You are gonna have to show me proof of the Donald spewing hate against minorities. I call BS.

Building a wall is taking control of our borders.
Kicking out illegals is taking control of immigration.
A temporary ban on Muslim immigration is to protect American citizens from danger, protecting all of us, including Muslim Americans.

Where is the Hate? Show me?

You do realize that Trump trusts one very close and personal friend to drive him and his family to everything, don't you. He has praised the guy numerous times. That guy is a Black Man!

Show me the Hate because I think it is only conceived hate.

You're allowed to do as you wish, but you must be willing to take the consequences for what will happen. This is how Martin Luther King Jr., and Gandhi operated. It's about getting the message out there, keeping it visible, and remain in the public eye instead of getting conveniently forgotten about.



They're not against the people who want to go. They're just fed up with the megalomaniac looking to cause trouble.



Sure! I love the idea of civil disobedience. Our country was founded on such ideas as Pit says. We need more citizens involved in the public sphere as to what's really going on.



The original Black Panther group looked to do no such thing.

If you're talking about the individuals who call themselves that now...well, I'd attempt to vote anyway. If I get beaten up...then so be it. I acted peacefully, and they acted in an adversarial manner looking to injure people.



See my "black panther" response.



I'm fine with peaceful protest that looks for no bodily harm to any individual. What happened with the people did not involve any bodily harm to anyone.

So the Koch Brothers can spend their money anyway they want, including buying an election and Soros can't?

Never have I equated Trump to any of those groups. He spews hate, and is a megalomaniac. I even called someone out on this board for starting the Hitler comparison.



Thank you for my daily dose of dramatic irony, 40.

Your last sentence.

Imagine if, come voting time, people blocked you and swish and others that are known hillary supporters, from voting. No bodily injury, but they would'nt let you in to vote. You'd be fine with that?

Imagine if Hillary were having a speech at your local school. And a group of people decided to block off the roads to the school. You'd be fine with that?

Imagine you were going to a concert. But a group of people didn't like the musician, so they blocked the roads so you you couldn't go. You're fine with that?

Yes.

Look what happened yesterday, and in other places. Law enforcement arrived, the individuals responsible for the protest allowed themselves to get arrested, and life carried on.

Now there's going to be an argument against me saying "Well what if law enforcement got tired of the antics and stopped responding?"

To that I say this: Cooler heads will prevail, and law enforcement will do their jobs, and the protesters will comply.

Come on man, be realistic. If you were prevented from going down a public road to get to something you wanted to see, yet some other group didn't want you to see it so they prevented you getting there, you'd be fine with it?

Come on man.

In my head I'd be annoyed, but I'd see the overall picture and feel ambivalent.

You can't that be shocked that I'd be okay with this if it happened to me. I march to the beat of a different drum than most in my generation.

My question Arch is who was it that was "stopped" from going to the Trump rally? As far as I know, the road block was broken up and everyone going to the rally got there. The protesters were arrested without violence and everyone went on about their way.

The protesters made their point, everyone made it to the rally and nobody was harmed. So why the outrage?

You do realize that protest and civil disobedience formed this country, enabled civil rights and women's rights to come to fruition, right? That every major statement made by our people has come though civil disobedience and protest.

Are some of those actions illegal? Yes they are. As such people decide they are willing to pay the price to make their cause and point known. The justice system handles them accordingly and they are punished.

Nobody was "prevented" from getting there. So as you say..... Come on man.

Fair enough.

Hope it happens at a hillary rally. I can't imagine the outrage there would be. Heck, just imagine if it happened years ago at an Obama rally.

But, it's okay. Trump is white, and he's a republican, so have at it.

Hey, I hear next Sunday the republicans are going to block you way to church. Don't worry, you'll make it to church on time to sing the closing hymn. Might even make it there sooner. But, the people that don't want you going to church have a right to block the road, right?

Hilliary wishes someone would protest her because she's not getting any airtime.

What the idiot liberals don't realize is that the protests glorify Trump even further and garner him even more free publicity. He's on all the news channels 24x7.

hilary just swept 5 states. she doesn't need the airtime.

free air time only works when the majority of the country likes you.

most polls have hilary beating trump, at least for now.

this is perfect political strategy at it's finest. keep quiet and let the idiot hang himself.

Those polls are biased and not reliable. Hiliary even said as much when she lost Michigan. She can barely beat Bernie and you think she doesn't want publicity? Ha! Trump is playing you guys so badly.

She's beating Bernie quite soundly. Michigan was just an aberration. It's his own fault for getting into the mess he's in, and it's because he failed to intelligently convey his message to all Americans in a digestible form.

that's why i said "for now".

and barely beat bernie? tad dramatic, as the voting so far, in the states she's won, a lot of them weren't even close.

Bernie needs a miracle to beat hilary as of right now.

as far as trump playing us? lol, keep thinking that. unless you mean he's running a sham, then sure.

She's barely beating him. The super delegates only guarantee she will win. If she can only barely beat a socialist wack job, I don't think she has much of a chance against Trump.

If you listen to de Bern, he's only had his butt kicked in the south from Billary and they are going to vote R anyway so he still thinks this is his election to win.

Bernie's problem is most Americans do not want socialism, which makes me happy.

This is true. She won the south because she has the black vote, but how will she win the west where there are fewer blacks?

not really. the problem is you're thinking that somehow struggling with an extreme candidate within the party is somehow going to make it easier against the right.

it would've been true if your top dog was kasich, or hell, rubio for that matter.

but you are trying to cross compare between three candidates instead of comparing strictly two. that's the flaw.

for example. just because trump might "struggle" against cruz doesn't mean a thing if he goes head to head against Sanders. the comparisons change dramatically. you can't campaign the same way for Sanders as you do for cruz. trump could very well mop the floor with sanders, and it doesn't have squat to do with how he faired against cruz.

you can't look at a battle between two of the same ideologies and think it's accurate to compare it to an ideology completely different.

or, if this is clearer, you can't say left vs left means it's gonna be easy when it comes to left vs right. it doesn't, and hasn't, ever worked that way.

because she also has the latino vote.

A bunch of illegals aren't going to help her much.

So all Latino voters are undocumented individuals?

I love the level of civil discourse around here.

Yeah because Trump protestors are so civil. His beef with them today was all the profanity on the signs such that it couldn't be shown on TV.

Thanks Bern for the free publicity, but please clean up your act!

this is what the right thinks of mexicans, apparently.

funny cause illegals can't vote, either. next, she'll post something about voter fraud, which has already been debunked.

but regardless, wow. illegals won't help, implying that all the latino's are illegal.

no wonder trump said he loves the uneducated.

I predict Bernie wins the west, and Hiliary uses her claws to gain victory via the super delegates.