DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum cont..:.Re: Browns Big Brain front office - not ready for prime time...

But, the handle is flesh toned.

It's all narrow and tight. Very rigid. Unbending. Used to manipulate and tell the blade what to do.

And the blade? My goodness, it looks soooooooo dangerous. It probably wants to hurt me.

j/c

It's obvious that the way Sashi addressed it was encompassing agents in general. Not a positive way to move forward with player agents.

And what I see missing from so many is that negotiations are a two way street. People act as though they are the only greedy party in contract negotiations.

Well, in case you missed it, Haslam has sat on loads of cap space for years now. Being greedy hasn't been a one way street.

jc ...

I think what Sashi said is much ado about nothing. So because there is some unspoken code about alienating agents, that gives agents a free pass to lie and say whatever they want to the media? I'm glad he called them on their BS.

I don't know if it's posted on this board or not, but there is an article on Mack and his FA process which states that dealing with Sashi and the Browns FO was a very respectful process. They praised the Browns FO multiple times.

What does any of this mean? If you are already predisposed to hate the FO, you will believe anything that paints them in a bad light and will use any ammunition possible to continue to bash them ... like some silly quote about agents. If you sit on the other side of the fence, you'll do the same.

Who cares? The Browns will suck no matter who owns them, who runs the team, who plays for them ... no matter the year. That's just the way it is. Until it isn't.

The funny part is people decide to pick a side and claim the other side is doing the BS. We really don't know who is doing the BSing.

Considering the this fan base has been promised so much and been given so little, I'm not quite sure who is BSing us, are you?

You are.

I think you actually know better.

Everything is about public relations. We have absolutely no idea who is lying about this situation. We have no idea if our FO pulled the offer or not.

Our FO isn't going to be any more honest with us as to what is going on behind the scenes as the players agents are.

But it must be of some kind of false comfort to believe one side is the devil and the other side are the angels. Hey, whatever helps people sleep better at night.

I think you are right in that we will never know who is being honest and who is not...or some combination of the two...makes for good debates tho...

on a side note was not aware that I "boo hoo" on this board...I will do my best to keep the "boo hooing" to a minimum...or maybe not. ( not directed to Pitdawg).

I"M trying to say I love you like a brother, but I am keeping my lips to myself as I am sure you don't mind that

Hey, more labeling! Yeay!!!!!

Don't agree w/a take, label the poster and make him seem ridiculous. Then later, change your tune and lead the charge to have guys fired.

Over and over and over and over....

Btw---------the NFL is a people business. And no amount of labeling is going to change that.

I don't think ddub was saying that SB had only a month the same way an outside newbie would have a month. Of course, Sashi knew the players/numbers. That's for sure.

No... I read dub's comment like this:

Without knowing whom Hue would want to keep/drop, almost ALL negotiations had to be postponed/slow-walked. That postponement led to roughly a month's worth of real time to hammer things out with ALL of them.

I'd like to hear from ddub to find out if my reading comprehension was on-point this time. I get a lot of stuff wrong around here- on the regular.

I deeply appreciate your consideration!

It is. Your explanation explains it in a nut shell.

Sashi had to wait until he got a HC and then had to wait until the HC made his decisions on those players. If that's accurate, it goes to show that Sashi is not in the GM role and it also shows how much of a say the HC has on the 53. In a typical GM role Sashi would have decided who he wanted on the 53 man roster and the HC would decide who to play on game day.

There, after your nutshell explanation I've gone and made it wordy and complicated again.

Like you calling posters "Wentz Worshippers" because you don't like that so many people are interested in him??

Do you mean that kind of labeling or some other kind of labeling?

I think he means the kind where you can't post pros or cons without being categorized into an overly optimistic or needlessly pessimistic group which is meant to define you from that point forward so that your opinion is no longer valid because, "Of course you'd say that".

That kind of labeling.

Now you're opening Pandora's Box with the examples there, ddub!

Glad to see you're no longer calling him Sushi. That's progress.

Well that depends on if someone finds it funny and is one to label others. To those who don't do either it means nothing at all.

That's if you think Hue came in day one knowing the all the players and which ones fit his needs. If you think that on day one all he had to do was analyze players then ya.

But if you consider that upon being hired he's immediately hounded by the local and national media for interviews day after day, that he has to immediately interview and hire his own staff while the pickings are good, read reports on and watch film on each player to see what adjustments he'll have to make on is preferred scheme and then confer with his coaching staff to be more specific watching film and analysing each FA for their fit then you might think he could use a week or two to pull all that together.

If it takes him two weeks then Sashi has one month to negotiate with the player's agents at at time when the agents are busy negotiating contact talks for his other players too, (not only his Browns players), with other teams as they test the FA market. Everyone's super busy in a shortened time frame.

It's like getting into the Red Zone. The field shortens and limits your options.

May I address your reading comprehension? Or, perhaps my communication abilities?

I understood what ddub was saying. My point was that Sashi's job description duties included negotiating contracts while Farmer was here, thus he was fully capable of re-working the contracts in question before Farmer and Pet got fired and Hue got here.

But before Farmer, who was in charge of the 53, got fired, he would have had to instruct Sashi to re-work the contracts in question. That would not be a move Sashi could do on his own. If he did he would've been overstepping his bounds by making the decision on who we want to keep, Farmer's job.

If you're saying Farmer should have instructed Sashi to re-work those contracts much earlier then I agree.

We don't know what Farmer wanted. I can't sit here and say that Farmer wanted those guys back. And you can't say he didn't.

Sashi's job was to handle contracts. That is what I know. I also know that none of the four are still on the team.

Ha! It most certainly is...if you don't like Asian food.

Perfect summation of your mindset.

Brown said we never pulled the offer. Are you saying he is a liar?

There is a rumor out there that maybe, just maybe, Schwartz's big brained agent was not ready for prime time.

Sashi is quoted as saying they did NOT pull any contract for Schwartz. He said that the other day at the NFL meetings in Florida.

Are you saying he couldn't be? Do you honestly believe if they pulled the offer he would make a public statement that they did?

We have to remember, this is a major corporation with PR and damage control in mind. If people honestly believe they are going to be honest and straight forward all of the time they're probably setting themselves up for disappointment.

I didn't say anything about you calling Sashi, Sushi. That was someone else. Although I do think it immature to do that I really don't care. I knew who you meant.

That's my point, in a way. If Farmer wanted them back Sashi should have done the contract last year. If he didn't it would not be on Sashi to do it anyway. If Farmer wanted them and Sashi didn't do his job then yeah, it's all on him.

It's hard to imagine he or any contract negotiator would blow his assignment that bad. But it's not hard for me to imagine Farmer dicking around, not making up his mind, pushing the decision into the future, the way he did with Mack two years ago and with Gipson tagging him at the last minute. Anyway, he got fired leaving the decision for the next guy, in this case Sashi.

I could be wrong. Farmer may have told him last October he wanted to extend Schwartz's contract but Sashi drug his feet or played hardball or something else that prevented an earlier signing. So maybe it's all on him. I just don't think it would've gone down that way.

I don't suppose it's even possible that when Schwartz returned BEFORE FREE AGENCY STARTED his agent wanted even more money from the Browns beyond the contract Sashi offered in order to pass on KCs offer.

You think you know what happened, state it as a fact and then place the blame where you think it should go. And then go on to call it spin if someone doesn't agree with you.



I can't say I disagree that at all.

He's been calling him a liar since January.

No, I honestly believe he wouldn't have publicly commented on it at all, like, "It's over, he's with KC now, we're moving on", kinda thing.

I feel he made the comments he did because he didn't like getting lied about publicly, made to look bad, and it irked him. Whether or not he should have said anything is another discussion, but I'd guess that why he did it.