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I can't comment on your first paragraph but I am in total agreement with the second.
He reminds of Tomlin,whom I think is a very good coach. I'll judge Tomlin when Ben retires then we'll see if he is any good or not...my guess not so much. My brother in law is a steeler fan and he is nervous about what happens when Ben retires. (hopefully soon).
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j/c... .I cannot believe how many people are onboard with the idea of signing RG3.
Man, we definitely put the funk in dysfunctional, don't we?
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j/c... .I cannot believe how many people are onboard with the idea of signing RG3.
Man, we definitely put the funk in dysfunctional, don't we?
I can't believe how quick they want to throw McCown on the scrap pile. He's been the best QB we've had in a while and now he's not good enough to make the team.
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j/c... .I cannot believe how many people are onboard with the idea of signing RG3.
Man, we definitely put the funk in dysfunctional, don't we?
I can't believe how quick they want to throw McCown on the scrap pile. He's been the best QB we've had in a while and now he's not good enough to make the team. Not just "a while", he's the best since The Return.... basically, the best since Bernie. Period.
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j/c... .I cannot believe how many people are onboard with the idea of signing RG3.
Man, we definitely put the funk in dysfunctional, don't we?
Quoted for truth.
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j/c... .I cannot believe how many people are onboard with the idea of signing RG3.
Man, we definitely put the funk in dysfunctional, don't we?
I can't believe how quick they want to throw McCown on the scrap pile. He's been the best QB we've had in a while and now he's not good enough to make the team. Just speaking for me, I like the idea of signing RGIII but not getting rid of McCown unless it's clear by the end of training camp that he's no longer viable as an NFL quarterback. We always need 3 QB's no matter what order they're played in and I'll take a healthy McCown over Davis and Shaw any day.
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yeah it was put out there by one poster...Shaw serves no purpose. McCown is here to MENTOR - RG3 needs a mentor, so will the rookie we draft. Lead in the class room, preparation for practice, for games, for game plans. Lead in watching film what to look for how to make adjustments.
He ain't going anywhere - if we need an emergency starter he can fit that bill too. McCown isn't going anywhere.
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yeah it was put out there by one poster...Shaw serves no purpose. McCown is here to MENTOR - RG3 needs a mentor, so will the rookie we draft. Lead in the class room, preparation for practice, for games, for game plans. Lead in watching film what to look for how to make adjustments.
He ain't going anywhere - if we need an emergency starter he can fit that bill too. McCown isn't going anywhere.
jmho Assuming we sign RG3, which I hope we do, McCown might not be here if we can trade him to another team. I doubt we give up a pick to keep him here doing the job of a coach. We keep him only if we can't find a team to take him for a pick.
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4. In his 2nd season he came back too soon from the injury and I think there was trust issues...regardless lets just say he didn't have that usual expected Growth. He is very smart and football smart as well. Definitely the will was not there! tab.......this is where you and I have problems. I almost let it go, like I do a lot of other things you say, but man....it bothers me when posters are deceived by the written word. I am not even saying it was intentional, but that comment is very misleading. RGIII struggles because he can't read defenses, which means he isn't that "football smart." Blaming others for his problems is wrong. And if the "will wasn't there," than that would be an even bigger negative on him. Just talk football and stop embellishing, please. Misleading posters is not cool.
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I'd rather hold onto McCown than cut him loose, but the differences in talent between him and RG3 might make that tough. I hope we keep both.
And Vers, the only thing I can say about your cons is that Hue specifically mentioned the reading defenses weakness in the article. That tells me it's something he's aware of and they're going to try to fix, for what it's worth. That makes me feel a little better than if he were to say "oh yeah, this guy is awesome, we're set forever".
Regarding the 'tude... while I think he's still got some attitude issues, I think he's smart enough to know that a QB that's been picked up off the scrap heap like he has can't do outrageous stuff like that. He may be a pain in the QB room, but I think he'll tone it way down from what was rumored in Washington.
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Thanks.
And you are right, that is the biggest concern. Hard to get past that.
But hey, at this point, I think he's worth a shot. He won't cost us any draft picks. To be fair, the guy hasn't been seen on a field in over a year, we have no idea how much he was studying (if any) or how much he may have progressed. I thought I was being fair. I listed positives and negatives. I even said I would support the signing of RGIII. I don't think that is unfair? Now, the next part is intended to educate.......not call you out. I hope you take it as such. There is a difference between reading defenses pre-snap vs post-snap. I call the latter reading coverages, but I think that confuses people on this board. Whatever........it's not important what we call it. Reading defenses pre-snap is something that a lot of film study can help. You look for tendencies on down and distances, field position, time left in the game, what the score is, etc. You can exploit things by getting your team in the right play by the look you see at the LOS. Thus, you can improve quite a bit in that area. Reading defenses [coverages] post-snap is a different world. Teams often disguise their pre-snap looks and switch into a different coverage. There are also smart defenders out there who come off of their guy because they read the offensive play. There are guys that bait you and that is why throwing w/anticipation is so important. Guys break on balls way faster than they do in college, so it is imperative to throw w/anticipation [again] and to make quick reads. Guys who aren't sure of what they see tend to do several bad things. --First, they begin by throwing what we call "dumb interceptions." "What was he looking at?" "Where was he throwing that ball?" --Second, they start taking a lot of sacks because they aren't sure of what they are seeing and throwing picks is a HUGE negative w/the media and fans. Teammates and coaches don't like it either, but coaches and offensive linemen hate when they take the blame for the QB getting sacked too much because the latter held the ball too long. The Browns have had plenty of those guys, such as Timid, Frye, BQ [to a certain extent], Weeden [OMG], McCown, Davis, and Manziel. --Next, QBs who can't read post-snap cover...ooppps...defenses, tend to check down a lot after their coaches and teammates start riding their ass. 3 and 10? Throw a 2 yard pass leading a guy out of bounds. Timid was the master of that. First look isn't open, check down immediately. Weeden anyone? Don't like what you see........heave it out of bounds. BQ did that often and who was that other guy.....oh yeah........Seneca Wallace. Anyone remember all his passes that sailed out of bounds? Tulsa, the thing w/reading defenses post-snap is that you really have a hard time coaching that up. It's about processing speed. Seeing what is really there. The game is so fast. Guys like you and I would see only a blur. Even the terrible qbs are so much better at it than the rest of the population. It's an innate gift. And that is why I said it was hard to overcome. I wasn't trying to be unfair. Hope you took this in the spirit it was intended.
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Yeah, I'm not too worried about the tude since we won't have much invested in him and he'll know that.
I am pretty worried about the time it will take to improve his field vision. If he's not used to making more than one or two reads, there will be timing issues as well.
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Regarding the 'tude... while I think he's still got some attitude issues, I think he's smart enough to know that a QB that's been picked up off the scrap heap like he has can't do outrageous stuff like that. He may be a pain in the QB room, but I think he'll tone it way down from what was rumored in Washington. Yeah, that is my hope as well. Guys like that can ruin a team. But, he is a guy who was at the very top of the mountain and he fell into the depths of a very deep canyon. The hope is that his situation will force him to change his attitude. The letter thing on his locker scares me, though.... LOL.........we're the Browns. Let's hope a miracle happens.
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I'm really slowly warming up to him coming here. I don't see any better risk/reward situation that's doable.
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I think your last sentence sums things up nicely. 
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Griffin Linked to Browns Tuesday, March 22 Bleacher Report's Jason Cole reported Griffin was humbled during his meetings with the Cleveland Browns and is willing to learn from the past: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/26226...g-free-agent-qbcould be true? maybe Griffin is humbled by the last couple of years. idk for sure but I still think he would be good as a back up to McCown and draft Cardale...or sign RGIII draft Cardale and keep Shaw (whom I like more than Davis). just throwing this small article out there
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I think you have good takes on RGIII and a lot of other football things.
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There is a difference between reading defenses pre-snap vs post-snap. I call the latter reading coverages, but I think that confuses people on this board. Whatever........it's not important what we call it.
Reading defenses pre-snap is something that a lot of film study can help. You look for tendencies on down and distances, field position, time left in the game, what the score is, etc. You can exploit things by getting your team in the right play by the look you see at the LOS. Thus, you can improve quite a bit in that area.
Reading defenses [coverages] post-snap is a different world. Teams often disguise their pre-snap looks and switch into a different coverage. There are also smart defenders out there who come off of their guy because they read the offensive play. There are guys that bait you and that is why throwing w/anticipation is so important. Guys break on balls way faster than they do in college, so it is imperative to throw w/anticipation [again] and to make quick reads.
Hi Vers (I read a lot on the board and don't jump in much) - Question for you on this, if you don't mind. I was reading this article Brady Release after your post as it got me to think just how much time a QB has to make that post-snap read. When you say Defenses change looks post snap, how much of the pre-snap read will still be accurate? Also, will Offense scheme dictate this more than defense? Can the Offense scheme around this to help RGIII out? This is the article I am referencing:
Over the past several seasons, the New England Patriots' passing attack has increasingly come to rely on short, quick passes. Tom Brady has never thrown the most accurate deep ball -- it's just not his strength. But what he's able to do better than nearly anyone else in NFL history is diagnose a defense before the snap so that he knows immediately where the ball should go.
That skill allows him to get the ball out and into a playmaker's hands before defenders can react, which puts players like Julian Edelman, Rob Gronkowski and more in position to make hay with yards after the catch.
Through three weeks of the 2015 season, the Patriots have taken the quick game to another level. According to data tracking done by Pro Football Focus, Brady has gotten the ball out in an average of 2.09 seconds over the course of his 133 passes this season, the fastest time since PFF began recording the stat back in 2011. Before 2015, the quickest anyone had averaged before throwing the football was Peyton Manning's 2.24 seconds last season.
The league as a whole has been trending toward quicker passes for a few years now, but it's safe to say Brady has been ahead of the pack and that he has taken things to an all-new extreme this season.
TIME TO THROW – WITHIN 2.5 SECONDS OF SNAP
YEAR % OF NFL DROPBACKS % OF BRADY DROPBACKS
2011 55.90% 61.37%
2012 55.19% 59.82%
2013 56.56% 60.88%
2014 58.55% 66.23%
2015 63.49% 80.58%
Brady's 80.58 percent rate of passes within 2.5 seconds of the snap also leads the NFL. It's not only safely ahead of the next-closest quarterback (Philip Rivers at 74.56 percent), but it is also the highest rate in the history of PFF's database. Manning's 2014 rate of 68.1 percent was the previous high for a full season. For what it's worth, five different quarterbacks -- Brady, Rivers, Manning, Matthew Stafford and Andy Dalton -- have topped that mark so far this year.
So, why are more and more throws coming out quickly? Well, because they're more efficient, of course. Take a look at the completion percentage numbers for throws within 2.5 seconds of the snap compared to those that come later, for both Brady and the NFL at large.
COMPLETION % BY RELEASE TIME
YEAR UNDER 2.5 – NFL
UNDER 2.5 – BRADY
2.5 OR MORE – NFL
2.5 OR MORE – BRADY
2011 64.6% 71.3%
55.0% 55.6%
2012 66.3% 72.7%
54.8% 47.3%
2013 66.8% 69.8%
54.4% 45.1%
2014 68.7% 70.7%
54.7% 50.0%
2015 70.3% 74.8%
54.9% 59.1%
You'll note that before this season, the split was even wider for Brady than it was for the average NFL quarterback. He has bumped both numbers up to all-time highs for the five-year sample, which has obviously helped the New England offense get off to its blistering start.
It has long been assumed that a steady diet of short, quick passes wasn't enough to win in the NFL because you eventually have to stretch the defense vertically. But the Patriots won the Super Bowl last season with an offense that was heavy on the quick game -- indeed, in the Super Bowl itself, 74.5 percent of Brady's passes came out within 2.5 seconds of the snap as he found Edelman and Shane Vereen on short crosses, quick outs and swing routes over and over again.
While that may have seemed like a Seahawks-specific strategy designed to slow down the pass rush and exploit one of the few weaknesses of Seattle's monster-sized corners (quick-breaking routes tend to give tall defensive backs problems because they can't change directions as quickly as smaller receivers), apparently they saw enough benefit from the strategy to push even farther in that direction this season. New England has never been uncomfortable challenging conventional NFL wisdom, and it seems like the Patriots are set to do that once again this year.
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I would actually have some hope if the Browns go w/RGIII, McCown, and Cardale. Yep, this is my best-case scenario as well. I think if we sign RGIII then McCown is most likely out. RGIII, Cardale, and Shaw would be my favorite scenario as of this moment. Not sure why signing RG3 means we part ways with McCown. I get that it's your opinion, and that's cool. Just my opinion that signing him does not spell the end of McCown in Cleveland. I especially do not see why we would cut McCown and keep Shaw. I do not get what people see in him.
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I'm really slowly warming up to him coming here. I don't see any better risk/reward situation that's doable. This could be quite the storyline (if we sign RGIII and he works out) considering we lost the bidding war for him that had the 'skins selling the farm....only to get him a few years later for pennies on the dollar.
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Does interest in Griffin show we have lack of interest in the top QBs? Or at least a QB at 2?
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I am of the opinion that we are taking a QB at 2, even if we sign RG3.
I think the hope is that we wind up with a situation where we have 2 very good QBs, and flexibility going forward.
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This could be quite the storyline (if we sign RGIII and he works out) considering we lost the bidding war for him that had the 'skins selling the farm....only to get him a few years later for pennies on the dollar.
Man, I sure forgot about that angle. Interesting take. ____________________ Since I haven't really weighed in on this subject... I see a lot of what Vers was describing in RG3... and the skeptic in me rues the idea that he'd need almost as much remedial work on his fundamentals as one would expect to spend on a rookie. With no more guarantee of success than you'd get with that same rookie. Man... I just don't know-
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This could be quite the storyline (if we sign RGIII and he works out) considering we lost the bidding war for him that had the 'skins selling the farm....only to get him a few years later for pennies on the dollar.
Man, I sure forgot about that angle. Interesting take. I made the same point in another thread. I called it deliciously ironic. 
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McCown is here to MENTOR - RG3 needs a mentor, so will the rookie we draft. Lead in the class room, preparation for practice, for games, for game plans. Lead in watching film what to look for how to make adjustments.
He ain't going anywhere - if we need an emergency starter he can fit that bill too. McCown isn't going anywhere.
jmho If the Browns sign RGIII (meh) and draft a rookie QB, I'll be very surprised if McCown remains on the roster. Hue Jackson states he isn't necessarily concerned with having a QB mentor. Acquiring mentors, though, isn’t the primary goal.
“I don’t know necessarily we’re looking for a guy to teach a guy,” Jackson said. “You’d like to have it staggered that way if you could. I think right now it’s about improving the position on our football team, just trying to be as good as we could be.”And... Still, Jackson was noncommittal about McCown’s future with the team.
“We’ll go through the process and see,” Jackson said. “He’s not going to be the reason why we don’t try to get better, and he’s not the reason why we’re trying to get better. We’re just going to [turn over] every rock that we can, as I said, at every position and see how it fits for us, and then we’ll make those decisions as we go.” Article Personally, RGIII excites me about as much as McCown, which is to say they don't, different style QBs, sure. Though, I consider the next couple years, building/throwaway years. I can't see the Browns offering RGIII more than a 1 -2 year deal. Ideally, for me, the Browns draft their QB for the long term future (I like Goff), RGIII has an improved year and he warrants some trade value that the Browns can take advantage of going into 2017. I can't imagine Hue and Co., hitching their long term plans to RGIII. I believe they still take a QB at #2. We shall see.
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Even if we sign RG3 I think we will still draft a QB at #2, as long as Hue and the Brain Trust deem either Wentz or Goff viable NFL starters. We will be doing what the Redskins did when they drafted both RG3 and Cousins in 2012 in hoping that 1 of the 2 turns into something. If Hue can get RG3 back to his rookie form then great if not then we hope the young guy can be something and if we get lucky and both turn out to be "the guy" then we have an extra chip to help get us a player we need at another position.
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I'm really slowly warming up to him coming here. I don't see any better risk/reward situation that's doable. This could be quite the storyline (if we sign RGIII and he works out) considering we lost the bidding war for him that had the 'skins selling the farm....only to get him a few years later for pennies on the dollar. To add to the storyline, we just get rid of one media sensation in Manziel and then go get another one in RGIII. It won't be as bad as the Manziel press but I expect the media to have a hay day with all the ongoing RGIII questions.
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At least we won't have RGIII cutting practice, showing up to practice drunk, buying crappy wigs, etc.
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Two things are apparent to me:
1. RG3's price tag is not going to be very high (or else this FO wouldn't sniff him)
2. His price tag is still a little too high for our FO's taste (because of their philosophy and/or because we're drafting a guy at 2 as well)
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yeah it was put out there by one poster...Shaw serves no purpose. McCown is here to MENTOR - RG3 needs a mentor, so will the rookie we draft. Lead in the class room, preparation for practice, for games, for game plans. Lead in watching film what to look for how to make adjustments.
He ain't going anywhere - if we need an emergency starter he can fit that bill too. McCown isn't going anywhere.
jmho If we sign RG3, then McCown is gone like the wind. McCown had value as a potential mentor, bit not every organization/coaching structure values a QB who is also a mentor. Often a staff that has successfully developed QBs in the past wants to do so their way, without a player potentially getting in the way. The other QB should be a good teammate, and support the one who is playing, but the coaches coach, and players play. This seems to be the philosophy that Hue follows. I think that it is about 95% certain that McCown is gone, if RG3 is brought in. I don't think that the front office would be cruel enough to stick him at 3rd on the depth chart all through camp, only to cut him at the last minute. If we sign RG3, then we will almost certainly try to work out a trade for McCown. It's the right thing to do for the team, and the right thing to do for the player.
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At least we won't have RGIII cutting practice, showing up to practice drunk, buying crappy wigs, etc.
You don't know that the wig was crappy.
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Wait a minute. You say this. I would actually have some hope if the Browns go w/RGIII, McCown, and Cardale. Then you say this. RGIII struggles because he can't read defenses, which means he isn't that "football smart." Are you serious? Reading a D is one of your top problems with QB's you don't like, yet you want 3 guys on this team that bring virtually nothing to the table. RGIII can't read a D and has no pocket presence and awareness. McCown plays recklessly all the time and is 37. Jones is given the damn job and can't even hold onto it. Are you sure you don't want to re-think that position? Wentz or Goff at 2 please. Both of these guys would be the most talented QB on this team the day they walk in the building. If Huey wants to sign Griffin, fine. I wouldn't, but I'm not the one paying him. It's reported that Huey even had the discussion with Griffin about taking a QB at 2. And Griffin's response was "The cream always rises to the top". IF Huey goes with Griffin, this would be a far better plan. Griffin McCown Wentz/Goff And I'd bet it won't take long for that cream to rise. Our #2 pick. Actually, letting Griffin be our battering ram while the OL gets some gametime together might not be a bad idea while we get the #2 pick ready for mid season.
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j/c: Prevailing feeling among coaches and GMs here in Boca at NFL owners mtg is that most expect Browns to be able to get deal done w RG3
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No........I just made it up so you could have ammunition to post your infatuation for drafting a qb.  DnD, I find it amazing that of all the people to talk about qb evaluations after what has transpired over the years, it's you. You always had a set on you.......I'll give you that.
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I'm really slowly warming up to him coming here. I don't see any better risk/reward situation that's doable. This could be quite the storyline (if we sign RGIII and he works out) considering we lost the bidding war for him that had the 'skins selling the farm....only to get him a few years later for pennies on the dollar. To add to the storyline, we just get rid of one media sensation in Manziel and then go get another one in RGIII. It won't be as bad as the Manziel press but I expect the media to have a hay day with all the ongoing RGIII questions. It isn't nearly the same type of media. This Washington debacle was as much on the coaching staff as it was Griffin, imho. The new regime came in and didn't want him, so they pretty much did the exact opposite of what they should...namely make the offense fit the QB. They asked him to do things outside of his realm and predictably, he failed. This caused much animosity and RGIII could have handled it better, but that was 50/50 blame on QB and Coaches. Bringing him here would erase that animosity as the coaching staff would be the ones bringing him in. Whether it is QB controversy with McCown or a #2 overall pick means very little. There is going to be that talk in the media no matter who is in camp, simply because we don't have an established QB on the roster.
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Hi Vers (I read a lot on the board and don't jump in much) - Question for you on this, if you don't mind. I was reading this article Brady Release after your post as it got me to think just how much time a QB has to make that post-snap read. When you say Defenses change looks post snap, how much of the pre-snap read will still be accurate? Also, will Offense scheme dictate this more than defense? Can the Offense scheme around this to help RGIII out? Hey Traveler. I probably worded that poorly. Teams don't always change their looks post-snap. I don't even know the percentage of times they do. I used the word often, but that may not be the case. I wasn't trying to deceive anyone; just typing fast. The point I was making that guys who struggle w/reading defenses post-snap will face big-time issues when teams do change their initial look or when guys come out of their designed coverage because they see something. They also struggle w/anticipation. The pre-snap read is often accurate. But it won't be if the team switches their coverage up from ....let's say.... a Cover 2 to a Cover 3. Thus, the QB...and actually the rest of the offense, has to decipher that instantly. It's tough, man. Here is a fairly simplistic video of what what the qb and offense should do: https://realfootballnetwork.com/2015/08/16/pre-snap-post-snap-reads/Can you imagine doing that instantly? It's tough to make reads while you are on the move and facing pressure. It's a true gift. Here is another link that just shows the various looks of Cover 3 vs Cover 4 defenses against certain offensive looks: https://www.google.com/search?q=cover+3+...Mg&dpr=1.65LOL.........it's a lot to digest, isn't it. That isn't even Cover 0, Cover 1, Cover 3, Cover 6, etc I found your article interesting because when comparing Brady vs Manning over the years, I always thought that Manning was the master of the pre-snap read while Brady was the master of the post-snap read. It's funny they didn't even mention Brady's post-snap reads in that article. Hmmmmm........what else did you ask me? Oh yeah, does the offense dictate this more than the defense? Not sure I understand the question. The defense will change their looks to confuse the QB and the offense. It would be up to the offense to adjust to the change. Maybe I misunderstood your question, though. And the other one...Can the offense scheme to help RGIII out? Well, as you know, a lot of collegiate offenses give the qb one read. That's why it's so tough for NFL scouts to determine if college qbs can make it in the NFL. It's not that they can say "so and so can't read coverages," it's just that they don't know because many college offenses don't ask the qb to go through progressions. That won't happen in the NFL, but I know that sometimes NFL teams will limit the number of reads a qb has to make. Here is an example that you might remember. Browns were playing Denver in a night game in Cleveland. It was BQ's first start. They only had him read half the field on each play, thereby making it simpler for him to make his reads. I think teams will shorten the route trees at times and then throw a few deep plays scattered in throughout the game to help keep defenses honest. For an example........think Manziel vs Tenn earlier this year. There are probably more examples and maybe some one like Dep or steve can add to these. Of course, no OC is going to want to limit his repertoire. Defenses do catch-up after studying an offenses tendencies, schemes, etc over the course of 4 weeks or so. That severely hampers your offense and you see teams start off hot and then fizzle as the year progresses. Kinda happened w/the Browns the past two years. Hope this helps and feel free to ask more questions if I haven't been clear.......which is probably the case. 
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Hey Irish.
I wasn't so much talking about a QB controversy as simply just the person of RGIII. He's kinda famous. The media will be all over him and the coach asking questions about his time in Washington, what has he learned from that experience, how's the knee feel, what made him consider the Browns, what convinced him to sign here, how he expects things to be different now, does he expect to start, etc., etc., etc.
I just see a media feeding frenzy initially. The good thing is it should die down before training camp, unlike the situation with Johnny.
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I agree w/you that the scrutiny would not be nearly as bad here as it was in Washington, but this part....... The new regime came in and didn't want him, so they pretty much did the exact opposite of what they should. Untrue. They did not deliberately sabotage RGIII. They tried working w/him, but he didn't work out. These conspiracy theories that suggest coaches deliberately don't want players to succeed blow my mind.
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Simple and honest question for everyone.
Let's say RGIII somehow, miraculously, turns himself around and improves as the player and a teammate... he's playing good football for us, how long of a career does RGIII have as is? We're talking about a kid who's been run into the ground and has undergone several injuries.
Even if he pans out, is it safe to say his career is already cut a little short given whats all unfolded for him since being drafted? He probably needs a few years off or as third string to repair himself.
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Yeah, I think RGIII was a butt head from the git with the new HC. Probably because the owner gave him carte blanche which probably made him feel entitled. Hopefully that entitled crap has been benched out of him.
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