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Charles Davis of NFL Network brought up a great point, which to date, I had not considered. With the signing of RGIII, this may have obviated the need for the Browns to draft a QB with the #2 pick.. Assuming that neither the Titans at #1 or the Browns at #2 are going QB, this brings Cleveland into play as a potential trade partner rather than the Titans. While the "kings ransom" (a la Washington) is likely not to be repeated, a trade with us would be less expensive that going to #1. It is an interesting scenario, one of many out there as we approach the draft...

I hope this happens. I just question if any team would want any of these qbs enough to move up...

Maybe the Rams, but that's a long way to move up.

Denver would be indeed, too far down as a potential trade partner, but Dallas, Niners, Eagles (!), and perhaps the Rams (I agree, a stretch) could be in a position to pull this off. At the moment, I am torn on moving out of the #2 spot...

I guess what I am saying is I question just how good any of those qbs are. I know they get a lot of love on here, but I wonder if NFL teams view them the say way? I'm skeptical about that.

I'm all about a trade down. Especially after seeing all our free agents walk and now having an increased amount of holes that need filled. The Cardale Jones project becomes even more intriguing as a later 3rd or beyond round selection.

Unless this staff truly believes in one of the top qbs, trade down. Tempting as Bosa is, we just have too many spots needing addressed.

Trading back is almost never worked out in our favor. Not because of picks, but because we draft crap players.

Let's just stay at 2 and grab Bosa

I don't forsee any team trading up to #2 for Bosa...

As I stated earlier, Swish, I am torn about trading down (and I'm not a Bosa fan). The signing of RGIII has muddied, not clarified, the big picture...

I meant, as tempting as Bosa is for US to take...

I don't care what other teams would want by trading with us, just give us extra picks! No one single player unless it's a Qb who can ball out day one, is not going to make or break this team.

Im with Swish on this one.

If we aren't picking a QB, then why do teams need to trade up?

Being scared because past results haven't gone our way is not the way to go. Just make the move that is best for the team. If that means trading down, trade down.

Virtually all believe the Titans aren't picking a QB at #1. They don't know however (and perhaps our FO doesn't know either at this moment), whether or not we are taking a QB. If a team wants the QB of their choice, they will have to go through us. Yes as you may say, this has always been so, but the picture now is much less clear...

If we aren't drafting a QB, wouldn't the team to trade up with be the Chargers?

We still need to draft a QB high this draft. If we don't take one at #2 we'll need to move up from 32 to get one.

We won't be trading the #2 pick to anyone. We need it.

If we are not drafting a QB then I will be seriously surprised. RG3 contract is for 2 years. That's the perfect amount for wentz or even lynch to sit and learn and get used to the NFL in a less stressful manner.

That would be true if your guy was still on the board at #3 and you firmly believed the Cowboys are picking your guy at #4. I do believe that the Cowboys and the Browns are in a similar situation in that it is not apparent whether or not they will take a QB. Before us acquiring RGIII, I'd say everybody and their cousin were certain that we're picking a QB. It's not a lock now. A team wanting their choice of QB's will likely have to deal with the Browns as now we may be more willing to deal with RGIII on board. If that's clear...

j/c

I wouldn't trade the #2 overall. Personally, I'd take Jack at that pick, how's that for an OSU homer? I'd also be fine with Bosa but I perferr Jack.

I would entertain offers for the #32 overall.

more rumors today of Cowboys, 49ers, Rams and Jets asking what would it take. WEntz and Goff impressed this week.

Because of weather, Jackson was the only NFL HC to at the Pro day for Wentz. According to the NFL.com mobile app anyway.

We have the opportunity to do it right .... to take a talented QB, and let him develop without being thrown into the fire on day 1 ...... and instead we want to give that away? I really don't get it. What is the worse case if we draft Wentz or Goff? That RG3 studs out, and we wind up having to trade someone? Oh, the horror! Maybe that we have RG3 start, and he does a serviceable job for 2 years, and then we turn the team over to the young QB?

Man, I feel like I am living in Bizarro World here. So many people greatly disliked RG3, and wanted no part of him, but now want to commit to him as our QB going forward, and pass on a young QB we can develop.

I was one of the biggest RG3 pimps around. I really wanted us to trade up for him. However, the fact, today, is that RG3 is no sure thing. I think that he still has great potential, but he also has great potential to bust for us.

We have struggled with the QB position for so long, and it is the single most important position on any NFL team ...... but let's pass when we have our choice of QBs. Maybe we can get to being a middle of the road team, winning 6-8 games, and get stuck there. *sigh*

The only way I trade out of 2 is if I get a "Redskins" type offer of 3 1's and a 2nd ..... or Hue decides that there is not a QB he wants in this draft. Otherwise, if Hue says that he really likes one of the QBs, I go get him. We brought him in, at least in part, to develop a young QB. Who knows if we will be back in position to draft the QB of our choice again.Take advantage of the situation. It is the hardest position to fill, as we well know from the shirt with 80 or however many names on it can attest. (OK, maybe not 80, but it sure seems like it)

I think that is the worst case of the best case scenarios. The worst case scenario is RG3 flops and Wentz/Goff is not the top 5 talent some think they are, (and some do worry they're not), leaving us with no QB still and a couple of years wasted in finding that out.



I have to agree with that. If he really believes one of those two is worthy of that pick then do for it.

Bozo's? DJ was a former NFL scout. CD played in the league and also played in the SEC.

They have better credentials than you do. Shut up!

I think the "hope" aspect of being a Brown's fan is really causing people to severely overrate Hue.

I think he is a good coach, but people are acting like he is some kind of QB Whisperer. That isn't true.

He may not be a "QB Whisperer", but he is a darn good QB developer.

Look at the list of QBs he has worked with. Every one that I can recall has had his best year under Hue's tutelage.

You can't have it both ways..

You can't yell at everyone for them wanting to pass on these QBs, then saying its ok to pass on them if Hue says too..

I honestly think the only sure Top 5 pkayer in this draft is Ramsey, but I don't know if his impact is valued enough at #2.

If Jack's knee checks out I might just take him at #2 and let him be the fact of the franchise.. Draft a WR (taller than 6') at 32, and were not looking too bad IMO.

If Ramsey had better hands he'd be Earl Thomas 2.0

I'd draft Earl Thomas #2. He's the anchor of Seattles defense. He makes that system go.

Wentz is the answer at QB. Stop all this trading down and take Wentz. With the second round pick take the best defensive player. The top of the draft has elite defensive players and one will fall to us (Jarran Reed?). The 3rd and 4th round will have plenty of very good #2 WR like Leonte Carroo, Kenny Lawler, Pharoh Cooper. If Hunter Henry is available in round 3 I would love to have him. He will probably go late 2nd.

To date, this thread has been well-mannered. For the sake of all, please keep it civil...

When looking at Ramsey, I think you need to decide if you like him as a Cb or a S separately.


As a Cb, I really like him. Sticks like glue to his receiver, is long and rangy and can match up well with the big receivers like AJ Green. He is potentially worth the #2 overall pick. Add in that you know he can convert to safety in ten years and you have a 15 year defensive cornerstone.

As a safety, I don't love him. Good solid player but I think he gets overhyped because of what a great athlete he is. I want 2 things from my safety.

One is to be the smart "Qb" of the defensive. Kind of like Jim Leonard was. But if he can't, not a big deal. You can give those responsibilities to someone else. I personally like the view the safety gets in making those calls. I don't know how capable Ramsey is with this.

The more important thing that I want from my free safety is to be a ballhawk. When a Qb makes a mistake or hangs the ball up there, I want the kind of safety who goes up and gets it. Ramsey only has 3 career interception. This bother me when I think about taking a safety with the #2 overall pick.

Not saying that I don't think he is 1st round value as a safety, just bottom half rather than top 2 though he is a top 5 player as a CB. I think that to know his value requires you to know how you plan to use him. JMO

I don't think you have to look at Ramsey as an either/or situation. I think he can play corner and safety depending on the matchups. You can move him around. I think he's a little like the Honey Badger that way. Ramsey's not quite the playmaker Mathieu is, but I don't think his lack of INT's is entirely reflective of his ability. He seems to have solid hands, and flashes the ability to play the ball. It's easier to avoid corners which he has primarily played. Richard Sherman only had two picks his first 4 years at Stanford (He did have 4 his last/5th year). Ramsey is/was a true junior and only had 3 years total of college ball. They strike me as similar stylistically at the next level as CBs, with Ramsey having the experience at safety as well.

I've read that teams love his IQ and intangibles. He's been described as the alpha dog amongst alpha dogs, and Florida State has had a pretty stacked roster. I think he could be a good counter for Eifert/Jordan Reed type TE's while Shutting down receivers the rest of the time.

If Wentz isn't the guy and we can't trade down, I'm with Ramsey. With the elimination of cut blocks, I only see more emphasis going to the passing game.

Corner is harder to play than safety.

There are examples of great players who started off at cornerback and then switched to FS later in their careers. Ronnie Lott and Rod Woodson come to mind.

You're a funny guy.

Please, let it stop here....for the sake of the thread. Thank you...

It seems as though most of the media specialist prefer wentz but Goff is the one driving the market at the moment, which is very interesting. Maybe its due to him playing for Cal and u have the 49ers and Rams wanting that fan support but I find it very interesting anyway.

Personally, I feel this entire draft is way overhyped especially the qbs and linebackers. The fact that Bosa is thought by many to be the best player in the draft and yet he is a DE that frankly doesnt have a lot of pass rush ability tells me all that i need to know of this draft or at least the top group.

tunsil and Treadwell are probably the 2 best players in this draft. I know a lot of folks are screaming we are stupid for wanting to trade down when we can get a QB but I feel pretty strong in that there is no QB in this class worth taking that high when we can really use that pick to strengthen many other positions and still take a QB that in my opinion is going to be as good if not better than the top 2.

I take lynch and 2 or 3 more good players over a Wentz or Goff at 2 anyday of the week. BTW Mac I am sure Haslam wants Lynch also since he has that Memphis connection

High in the draft I think teams should take QB, (I'm against that for us this year), OL tackles and defense, not offensive skill positions, WR/RB.

I'd like to see our top two picks being defense. In our case an edge rusher first and a DB/Safety second.

If Gordon comes back, and I think he will, that will be as good as a high pick on a WR and we can get another on the second day or later.

So you would of never taken Fitzgerald, Johnson, or Jones in the Top 5?

IMHO nothing about this scenario is interesting. Signing RG3 was a boneheaded move that only serves to give the front office the mistaken impression that they have options other than FINALLY drafting a franchise QB. They don't. But once again, no matter who is running the front office, the Browns can't help but gobble handfuls of fruit from the stupid tree.

Again, JMHO.