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Thank you for the welcome. And thanks for posting those articles. Those articles are an excellent illustration of the media surrounding Griffin. None of those articles/"reports" are new for me.

I would caution be careful what you read. In today's (Washington especially) sports media cycle the aim is rarely accuracy but clicks. And more often then not saying something, especially negative true or not true about Griffin produced a ton of hits.

I doubt the board wants me to post counter point articles for each one. Just trying to give background to decide for yourselves whether he threw his teammates under the bus etc....


o the letter you posted was in Griffin locker room the entire season and several other players have that same letter in their lockers (you can look it up if slow inclined)

o Consider the source.
Mike Shanahan was on a mission to blameshift his poor record and subsequent firing on Griffin and Snyder. It is well known that he is Sally Jenkins source, and leaking to the media is one of the reason Mike Shanahan is not coaching today

o Often time players were used in articles against Griffin that were surprised to find out about it:

Moss-“I read a quote and it said, ‘Moss says RGIII needs to take more responsibility for losses,’ ” Moss said. “That never came out of my mouth. I said that if I’m put in the situation, as a leader, I will stand up and say, ‘me, I,’ and that’s what I said.”

o And the now infamous not taking blame, actual presser comments:

“All of the sacks are on me. Period. We’re 3-7, and everybody in this room knows that, and everybody in that locker room knows that. We can’t do what 3-7 football teams do. We can’t throw knives and stab each other in the back. I think we have good people in our locker room, men of God that are going to stick together and stay strong. So when you ask me that question, and I say all of the sacks are on me, it’s because I’m looking myself in the mirror and saying, I can do better. I have to do better. I need every man in that locker room, players and coaches, to look themselves in the mirror and say, ‘What can I do better?'”
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Then Griffin was ASKED:

On the difference from 2012 to now in his performance:

“We were playing good team ball. It takes 11 men. It doesn’t take one guy, and that’s proven. If you want to look at the good teams in this league and the great quarterbacks, the Peytons and the Aaron Rodgers, those guys don’t play well if their guys don’t play well. They don’t. We need everybody. I need every one of those guys in that locker room, and I know they’re looking at me saying the same thing.”
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Griffin's teammates:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-s...-book-on-rgiii/

Kirk Cousins:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-s...rt-griffin-iii/





I will say this, I'm sure there are players that dislike Griffin, just like I'm sure that there are players that dislike insert QB name here but the difference with Griffin was (1) there were coaches that didn't like him and were leaking to media (which in most cities gets a coach in deep trouble see Chicago) (2) having a report about Griffin created enough hits and calls to fill any slow media day.

But, enough of that I want to talk some Xs and Os stuff.

...I think anyone can see what they want to see in the above statements, but even the part that you quoted looks to me like he is blaming his teammates. I actually watched the clip and he went on basically saying the difference between himself and Rodgers or Manning are the players around them.

...I did see where the letter was posted on his locker earlier than when he left, but saw nothing about it being in other players lockers. Are you saying that it was created by the team and not RG3?

Also do you really believe him when he says it was his intern that liked the anti-owner post?

What about the other players saying that he boasted about "having the owner wrapped around his little finger"?

It really is the X's and O's part that scares me.

So unless RG3 learns to read D's quickly, gets rid of the ball quickly and learns to be smart enough to slide, the odds of him staying healthy and being a good NFL QB are greatly diminished.

My apologies didn't mean to add/create drama and still not quite sure how I called anyone a liar. Was just trying to be accurate...

It's nice that you stand up for RG3. It seems you know a little more about that as you are in the area. Watching his press conferences have caused me to think he's a bit of a "me guy", but that's merely my perception. Not a big deal to me.

What concerns me most is that other than a one read option offense, he's never had success. A college offense isn't going to work in the NFL and the subsequent injuries is a direct result of that.

He hasn't shown any ability to be able to read D's or go through progressions.

So unless RG3 learns to read D's quickly, gets rid of the ball quickly and learns to be smart enough to slide, the odds of him staying healthy and being a good NFL QB are greatly diminished.

We have to get him past missing all 5 guys being open on a 1st and ten play like this to making 3 or 4 progressive reads with proper timing. That means teaching him to crawl before he can run.

I do realize that, but there is a difference in frequency between the two.

My apologies didn't mean to add/create drama and still not quite sure how I called anyone a liar. Was just trying to be accurate is all, my apologies for adding to the Griffin drama...enough of that...lets talk Xs and Os......lets talk football!

Griffin is not a finished QB. He was transitioning into running a rhythm drop back west coast offense from a read-option hybrid offense the previous seasons and a spread-zone read offense in college.

I think right now, if you plugged him into an offense like the Bills he would put up numbers at least as good if not better then Tyrod.
I also believe that Griffin could quickly match and eventually surpass Alex Smith production if he were placed in KC's offense.

I think if Griffin is asked to operate a pure rhythm drop back WCO without movement i.e. bootlegs, waggles or read-option it will take him time to make the transition. And during that transition he's going to hold the ball and take sacks.

Griffin's 2 biggest issues on the field for me was not trusting what he saw; which I think was the cause of pocket issues and sacks. When Griffin trusts what he sees he's like a jugs machine. The ball comes out with velocity and accuracy. When Griffin is unsure he holds the ball and starts drifting around in the pocket. Another issue was his carriage of the ball while scrambling. Griffin had a tendency to drop the ball out of throwing position and would hold the ball like a loaf of bread which caused some fumbles and more importantly slowed the time it took to make a throw while on the run. Lastly, Griffin while very fast, is a straight line runner without little 'juking' ability. He doesn't often attempt to make people miss, he usually attempts to out run them and consequently takes way to many hits. Griffin still needs to learn to protect himself better while running and learning when/how to slide/dive to avoid contact.

I'm excited to see how this plays out. I think Hue is a great coach, not just from Xs and Os but from managing people. I also think Pep Hamilton and Al Saunders are good offensive minds. Ideally I think an offense similar to Chip Kelly's concepts would work best but I could also see Griffin having success in offenses similar to Dolphins, Seattle, Panthers and eventually the Bengals.

Did you know that if you say the word "orange" real slow, that it sounds exactly like the word "gullible?"

...We seem to disagree to quite an extent.

From my point of view, he lacks a lot of ingredients it takes to make an NFL QB. I'm not saying he can't learn, but its a long stretch ahead.

We'll just have to see how it all unfolds.

He countered your points. Nothing more, and nothing less.

Just because someone counters your arguments doesn't mean they are out to persecute you.

Thanks for the support.