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Have any comments on the pre and post-snap reads, That Guy. Or, are you just being That Guy, again?

Thanks for answering.

Haven't been able to get on here much lately.

Wanted to chime in on the signing on RG3 because I haven't done so yet.

I actually like the move signing him. Low risk, high reward. He's young, has a good arm, and can run the football really well. If Hue Jackson and his offensive staff can find a way to get him rolling early on (while keeping him healthy) you never know what could happen.

With that being said...

I'm also quite skeptical, and I still absolutely want to see Cleveland draft Carson Wentz or Jared Goff at #2 overall. (Whomever Hue & Co. prefers, I'll leave it up to their judgement).

RG3 has missed 29 games in the last three years.
RG3 has thrown 18 INT's in the last three years.
RG3 has fumbled 20 times in the last three years.

He's 5-15 as a starter since 2012, and he's been benched twice.

I don't think any of that justifies NOT taking a quarterback at #2 via the draft, unless Hue feels great about him, or just doesn't care for any of the top prospects.

As it sits now, I think the best case scenario is that RG3 stays healthy and plays above average and we MAYBE go 6-10 or 7-9 (while hopefully being super competitive). I also think it's very possible we start 0-5 and he's benched after some really, really ugly performances.

Tough to say.

All in all, I like giving him the opportunity, but I still think this teams #1 overall need is a QB.

One thing that I think often gets overlooked is that it's not just the QB that has to make reads. The WRs also have to read the coverage. The QB and receiver both have to make the same read, and the QB has to know how the receiver is going to react. The best, perhaps only, way to develop that chemistry is through reps. I think RG3's injuries really hurt in that respect. That's one thing that worries me about drafting a QB high. How will we split the reps?

Following the chemistry line of thinking also has me wondering about Hue's QB prowess. How much of Dalton's improvement was Hue and how much was just playing with the same receivers in the same system? Flacco's rookie year gives me some hope.

LOL...........You didn't read all the other posts, did you?

It's clearer to me now that part of RG3's drop off the cliff happened because of the switch from Shanny to Gruden. Both are pretty rigid in implementing their systems, but Gruden's is the one that highlights all of RG3's weaknesses. He's just simply not that type of QB, and probably never will be. The key to him having success here will be to start slow with something he's familiar with, and build from there while hoping injuries don't bite in the butt.

It's not much, but it's something.

I am not saying you are wrong, but I think that is wishful thinking. I think RGIII's problems were his own fault. He is not the runner he once was. He is going to have to read defenses, pre and post-snap. That is why I made that a topic of conversation on this thread.

I support the signing, but blaming others for his issues is not going to fix those issues.

Been a bit distracted, had another exam today. I may have read it, and that's what got it in my head. My brains pretty good at keeping information. Remembering where it got it, not so much. Got a bit of overload cramming recently, spring break got me out of sync.

Pre-snap reads usually come before the snap, while post-snap reads differ slightly, as they come after the snap..

j/c

I think Mike Shanahan was patient with RGiii. He used RGiii's strengths his first year with the mindset of changing over time. RGiii gets hurt creating a delay in development. RGiii's second year he isn't fully healed and develops a bigger head. You gotta love immaturity! Along comes Gruden pushes Cousins forward who is further along in development.

Today's QB are simply not prepared to play in the NFL. It's a two or three year process.

I watched Manziel last year and how he progressed in his development toward being a pocket QB. I see no reason why RGiii cannot do the same.

RGiii had a few injury issues that set him back in his development. Hue takes him back to square one. Get his confidence up and continues his development. Who knows maybe RGiii bounces back.

In the end it really centers around whether Haslam finally gets it. With RGiii, you maybe have a better shot finishing closer to 500. Otherwise, playing a rookie QB you are basically seeing a repeat of last years Tennessee's play in Cleveland.

If rg3 does find his mojo, it'd be a huge bonus, in that we might have a franchise QB who's only 26. Just laying some hope out there.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/150988...positive-review

Interesting Read. Wonder why Rams passed.

Case Keenum is the next great QB.

I agree with you that he has himself to blame for a lot of issues. However, Washington was a toxic situation for him.

Agreed. I'm really hoping Hue's offense can be fit to taylor to RG3's strengths. I also think that it can be used to fit to the rookie's as well. Lots of roll outs, options to run if necessary, play action.


I'm embracing RG3. Although I usually embrace everything. Not doing so would just make for a crappy whole year rather than simply a crappy season......... The Browns are simply too much of my life to constantly be negative about.

I prefer to be jaded

j/c

Most posts that I have seen have stated that the signing of RGIII poses low risk for us. Hmmm...I believe that it may be a high risk move in that it may obviate the need for us to select the QB of our choice at the #2 spot. (Whether any of them are "franchise" QB's or not, is another discussion). We very well may not find us in such a great position again. Prior to the signing of RGIII, I believe most thought that it was a virtual lock that we would be picking either Wentz or Goff, but his signing has muddied the waters. There seems to be a drift away from us picking a QB at #2 lately. And please, a QB not selected very high in the draft, has little likelihood of developing into your franchise guy.

Assuming we do NOT pick a QB at #2:

- RGIII studs out and his contract is renegotiated to a long term deal. Best case scenario as we have also used the #2 pick on another position.

- RGIII studs out but we are unable to retain him after 2 years. Not good for us.

- RGIII fails miserably and is released after 2 seasons. Again, not good for us.

I simply forsee too much potential for disaster here by his signing. Play it conservatively Sashi. Do not pass on the opportunity that this draft presents to get your franchise QB...

The Browns have a plethora of needs. There is no guarantee that any of this year's qbs are going to be successful. The Browns could fill more holes by trading down from 2 and acquiring more picks. I'd say that would be successful.

I think that is a legit concern BB32,to pass on a QB solely based on the RG3 signing.

I really think we have to take a QB in this draft, whether 2 or 32 and hope they pan out, especially when you look at the QB's coming out next year.

Somebody posted a link of those and ugh it looked gruesome.

Dang............32 liked your reply, but not mine.

I guess mine was illogical....

Now, now, don't be envious! I do agree that we have multiple needs, but I'm not particularly in favor of trading down. I believe that there are only 3, perhaps 4, elite players in this draft (Ramsey, Tunsil, Wentz and maybe Goff), and I want one of them. While your post was not illogical, I believe to my thinking it only merited a B- ...

A trade down makes some sense, but at the same time we've seen that before, and the traded down for players didn't work out the greatest. No matter what we do pick-wise, we've still got to pick the right players when we get there.

Can this group do that? We'll see.

While I'd like Wentz or Ramsey, as long as the players they end up picking pan out, I'll be happy.

j/c-----Kinda/Sorta

It all comes down to if there is a qb worthy of being drafted w/the second overall pick. Most of you do. Some of us are skeptical.

I think it would be extremely dangerous to reach for that guy just because you need a qb.

Please note the "Like" . Our FO must absolutely convinced that whoever is available at #2, is virtually "guaranteed" to be elite. All things being equal, I believe QB is the way to go...

Damn BB32 you like this? j/k Vers

Actually I agree ... I think Wentz is the best of the crop but is still a reach at 2... but hell I haven't been right about a QB in 19 years, well except Weeden.

But we cant take a qb just for the sake of taking a qb unless Hue is sold on him be it at 2, or 32 or somewhere in between ( via a trade down which I have no problem with).

Bottom line 9 and we all know it) we just gotta get this right.

damn Texas you liked this... wait a minute...

How did my post draw this response? What, you think that I don't know that?

I was talking about "our opinions" on whether or not to take a qb. You always get mad if I express my opinion. Jesus!!!

I never know on here about reading comprehension, but hopefully, you guys know I was joking about the "like" thang, right?

Insulted?

You misinterpreted what I was saying.

Whatever.........I'm sorry I voiced my opinion that our perception of the quarterbacks in this draft influences whether or not we should take a qb at number 2. Oh, the horror............

I took it that way... pretty sure BB32 did as well

Let me think about it for a bit...

If the Brown's don't take a QB at #2 who do you think will still be there at #32?

We'll probably have to move up from 32 to even get Hackenburg. Not drafting a QB at #2 would be a big gamble this draft.

You think Hackenberg is going in the first round?

Denver picks at 31...If they think we'll take him they may bite first. I think it's a gamble to not take that QB at #2