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We spent a #3 on Joe in 2007. Why not draft his successor who can play RT before transitioning to LT? Tunsil deserves mentioning in the top three picks, IMO. He may go #1 to the Titans...

I get that. However, I think the Browns should have just kept Schwartz.

This team is full of needs. They created more needs when they allowed good, young players to walk. Now, you wanna use the number 2 overall pick on a position that was a strength?

That can't be what analytics is about, can it?

J/C

I think a lot of the reasoning used in this article is sound. At the end when it narrows the selection down to two players I would choose the other player. As we all know there are a ton of wholes to address. I think Jack playing closer to the LOS and Horton's past statements that pressure is more critical in his D than coverage would tip the scale toward Jack.

Link

Thanks for the article.

I prefer Ramsey over Jack.

I think Jack is a 3-4 ILBer or a 4-3 WLBer. I don't think he will be a big sack guy. I think he will be used more in coverage. He's a good player, but I think Ramsey is much more dynamic.

I get that you don't want a QB at #2, nor Tunsil as a RT. I don't recall seeing you state who you want at #2 - do you have a favorite candidate for that spot?

It's an ongoing process. I am still not sure.

I think I would prefer to trade down and acquire more picks. If not, I think the smart pick is Ramsey.

I want to keep an open mind and not get tied into one player. That's dangerous.......

Would Jack play closer to the line of scrimmage? I've seen several projections of him as a SS recently.

I think coverage is Jack's best asset. His pass rushing is somewhat of a question mark.

The playing both ways ability is somewhat intriguing. Hue does like bigger backs.

I wish there was more tape of Jack pass rushing.

j/c

Anybody got a medical update on Jaylon Smith, LB?

More fluff than news, but this is from today anyway.

http://www.mlive.com/irish/2016/03/notre_dame_defensive_coordinat.html

Jack is a huge sack guy. He just doesn't get to the QB. Huge sack though.

Ah, repartee that you can't find anywhere but Dawgtalkers.

I think Ramsey is a fine player. I also think the safety crop is pretty deep.

I think Jack can impact the front seven and the secondary. His run fits provide the defense with a dimension we don't have. He neutralizes TE mismatches. I think he can rush the passer from unexpected positions. I think his range and versatility will help reduce third down conversions.

Jack is my second favorite player in the draft. His versatility is huge in today's NFL.

Join the Ramsey bandwagon!

Thought I would put together some highlights of some of the pass rushers in an article that I saw...so minus the article here is the top five pass rushers in that article...sorry it's late and I'm bored have more fun watching than typing about these guys...I like Lawson and Bosa the best so far. But Ogbah I find interesting.

article I got this from is here

http://www.neosportsinsiders.com/nfl-draft-pass-rushing-prospects-plenty-browns-need-take-one/6/

Sure. Allows us to have Joes replacement in house.

Not saying that is what I want....I do like Ramsey. I'd take him

Wouldn't Tunsil be an upgrade? I do prefer Ramsey as well or Bosa

Love Ogbah, can't understand why most draft media have Spence ahead of him. Bigger, Faster, better production.

My top 5:

Tunsil, Buckner, Ramsey, Jack, Elliott (although I don't think he goes top 5)

I do remember you being the first guy pimping Ramsey. Good call.

I didn't mention it because I don't think it's accurate. In fact, that is one of his weaknesses. I can post a few online scouting reports that support my opinions, but they will probably just be ridiculed because they agree more w/my line of thinking and less w/the way you guys see him.

But, if you would like to see them to help the educational process, I will be glad to post them. I just don't want to waste my time finding them when they will be automatically dismissed because opinions are more important than knowledge.

Oh, and I am not saying that Jack isn't a good player. I think he is a fine player and should have a long career in the NFL, provided he is healthy. Not running the 40 is a bit of a concern......He is a very versatile player that will help the defense. I don't think he'll be a big-time sack guy or a huge impact player.

Let me know if you want to at least look at the reports.

He looked stiff on film. He tested better in the agility stuff than I expected. I don't know where he trained for the combine, but they did a good job. If it translates back onto the field, he could be a good one.

I saw what Vers saw with Jack. I'm not interested in using our first rounder on him. It's not just positional value. If Jaylon Smith hadn't been injured I would definitely consider him for our selection.

Maybe he does look stiff in comparison to Spence; but is that enough to offset being more productive, bigger and faster (and cleaner off the field). Hand to fire I think Ogbah is a first round edge rusher.

I was going to post a rebuttal to this, but since A&M and Missou left the conference the only one that's been worth a damn so far is Verrett.

What if Jack is the next Luke Kuechly?

If I thought he was I'd be all for it. I don't think he is. I might be wrong but I don't think he's that level of player.

I was mainly commenting on the part about positional value. If a guy is a stud, then it doesn't matter where you draft him.

well yeah, that's why I said I would have considered a healthy Jaylon Smith.

Educating oneself is not a bad thing.

It's a tool.

For example:

--if I see a player during a game that I like, I will then research what others have to say about him.

or....

--I check the reviews on the top rated players across several sites, than I watch as much as I can of those players.

Name calling.

Not directed specifically at you EO, we happen to have a similar assessment of Jack.

Although most posters have their preferred prospects I think it's important to have an open mind. So I thought about Ramsey, and I did a First Pick mock taking Ramsey #2 overall.

Ramsey is a legitimate first round candidate for the Browns. If you consider Haden will be out indefinitely you have to ask yourself how the team can adjust.As a rookei Ramsey's talent is such that I would be comfortable starting him in place of Haden. It's difficult to identify anyone currently on the team I'm willing to say the same thing about. The team is already suspect on the other side at the #2 CB. So the need at CB is dire. If and when Joe comes back you can pair Ramsey with him for a nice CB tandem or move Ramsey to Free where he's likely to play long term and the Browns need a solution as well.

There are other OLB/DE/pass rush options that could be available in this draft if the team decides to pursue them. I'm not saying they offer the defense the same skills as Jack who I continue to view as a special player.

Along with everything else Jack does he can defeat blocks.

Vers if you have evidence to the contrary, I want to see it.

I really liked your post. Very open-minded and logical. I don't think posters have to agree, but just keep it real w/out all the BS.

Jack might be the better player. Ramsey might be the better player. Both are good. We're just offering our opinions.

I do want to address this part:



tab said:



I replied:



You see.......defeating blocks and bullying and throwing guys aside are a bit different.

But, here are a couple of reports that agree w/my line of thinking:









Pretty much the same evaluations that steve and I have on the guy. Doesn't mean we are right, but we're not talking out of our butts, either.

I do want to add that there are many positives w/the guy. I didn't post those. It was not an attempt to deceive anyone. I was only addressing the LOS/bullying blockers thang. If you guys click on the links, you can see all of his positives and a couple of other negatives, as well.

I wonder how many people will actually read all of that?

Cool, thanks for clarifying your observations and providing the links. Coincidentally, I had seen the Bleacher Report and the CBS Sports analysis before. Generally, those assessments of his weaknesses are fair. I just have to hope the team takes all relevant factors in to account and makes the best decision possible.