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Swish, I realized a long time ago the Internet protects sociopaths and assholes. Just because they post on an internet and you think you “know” them doesn’t change what I said. It’s why I don’t get bent out of shape on what gets posted here.

It’s the same way at my church. There are people in my congregation that I guarantee I would never interact with out in public, but because they’re in a kind of social circle (not sure if that’s correct) you kinda learn to just accept the daily reality. It doesn’t mean you accept the people. There are people I honestly don’t have any sort of hope for. I’d be lying and very delusional if I denied that. I just accept what’s around me for what it is. I try to still remain civil.

You’re very passionate about what you have to say. I respect that greatly.

Pretty sure abortions cost very little for poor people as they are on Medicaid and Planned Parenthood has a sliding scale of cost based on your income.

Heres the thing Swish. It takes a lot of effort to make some of the posts I do with all the links and citations. So from time to time, I post my opinions without doing that. But I back ALL of my beliefs up with science.

So when I say sex-positivity is ruining America. I didn't used to believe that at all. I was a pro-drug pro-porn pro-polyamory anti-religious pseudo-leftist-libertarian. And over the last ten years I've rigorously studied psychology and philosophy to make my view points scientifically accurate. I bowed before the evidence and changed my beliefs.

If you want me to scientifically break down things in life for you I can do that, and I do that sometimes. Do you still believe the whites are bigger rapists or did you change your beliefs based on the evidence? We could have just spouted opinions at each other, but I and other people took the time to prove things scientifically.

So dude. I don't know how to convey the notion that I'm not just pulling stuff out of my ass here. If you disagree with me, for a moment consider the possibility that you might be wrong.

If you want to continue to mock my posts I can change the way I post. If I need to hammer out statistics on divorce and single motherhood every time I post about sexuality I can do so. I'll post less, but when I post I will absolutely dominate threads until people who disagree with the science admit they are wrong. And I will make posting here a living nightmare for people who want to spout off opinions with no scientific backing. I will crap on every single post you make where you cite an opinion without evidence.

If that is the standard you want to push on me, consider if that is what you really want. If you call me stupid ever again, without citing evidence as to why I am wrong, I will dominate the ever loving crap out of your posts and cite statistics every single time you are in the wrong.

Then push. you talk tough, but that's about it.

So show me that our sex lives here in America makes us somehow worse than the sex-starved nations like the middle east.

show me the science that says we in America are gonna collapse unless we follow the anti-drug, anti-porn, anti-polygamy, pro-religious, conservative agenda.

show me those stats.

you want facts? ok

show me the stats of american women recently stoned to death for adultery compared to that of the middle east.

show me the stats of american women recently whipped for sex offenses compared to those in the middle east.

show me the stats of of genital mutilation of american women compared to those in africa and the middle east.

show me the stats of of the per capita prison population of americans compared to those of other western countries.

so yea, i'm pushing, yea i'm mocking you.

and i'm waiting for those specific stats. let's go. prove to me that those middle eastern countries are the BEACON of life compared to those of western europe and the US with regards to sex. show me that the middle east sets the standard for sex and sex related offenses and crimes. show me that.

and while you're at it, show me the stats of female slaves currently in this country compared to those in the middle eastern countries, specifically terrorist groups like ISIS.

I'm waiting, Mr. Scientist. let's go. Dominate it. and i want THOSE specific questions answered.

This question again. Here's a simple answer: abortion ends a life. People have always wanted to parse that life into chunks to see what you kill. At 4 weeks, the blastocyst has officially become an embryo. At this time, the organs develop. At 5 weeks, there's a heart beat. Is that official life? We used to determine that people were alive if they had a heart beat. 6 weeks, facial features form. By 8 weeks, we have fingers, toes, mouth, eyes, and movement. Does that constitute life? By 10 weeks, all organs, including the brain, start to function. Is it life yet? By 14 weeks, they can see light filtering in through the belly. By 19 weeks, hearing, sight, taste, feel, have all started working. By 22 weeks, there is a 10% chance that fetus will survive outside the womb. 50% by 24 weeks. When should the cut off be for an abortion? Which milestone do you consider life? There are about 30 ways to prevent a pregnancy before it happens. There is only 1 way after that pregnancy starts. I think more effort should be taken to prevent, but that would require some people show personal restraint, and that is apparently the bigger 'sin' in this country.

it may be easier than you think.

personal restraint, sure, but there are 29 other ways from your list that we can also focus on.

that other nations focus on, and it seems to work fairly well for them.

This made me actually laugh out loud. You must be really confident that you're the smartest guy on this site to make a ballsy comment like that.

we will see if he is. i just set 12 different criteria for the scientist to back up. he needs to prove 12 different ways that we are worse off than in the past, that we are worse off than the middle east.

i'm waiting to be dominated( no homo).

these better be slam dunk, too. cause if i can do a google search and click on a link that quickly counters that, his credibility with me will go out the window.

King ole boy, I know you are educated and smarter than most here and I would like to propose something you may not have considered...

Why waste all your valued efforts to gather the finest of pearls just to toss them before dogs and pigs for them to appreciate? They will only trample them into the mud.

It is a waste of time and effort.

Have a good one.

Woof, oink...

Moxy ole boy, do animals murder their own healthy young?

Perhaps Old Cold One has a valid point about his dog.

The government already recognizes that killing an unborn child is MURDER. We already have laws in place to punish those who commit murder against an unborn child and they recognize the pregnancy from the time of conception now with how old the fetus is.

You don't believe me?

If you shoot a pregnant woman its a double homicide. If you run over a woman who is pregnant is a double homicide. If you assault a pregnant woman and it results in a miscarriage then it's a homicide. It doesn't matter if she is one week pregnant or 8 months because the law treats it as the same crime regardless.

If you shoot a woman on the way to an abortion clinic it's a double homicide. Abortion is nothing more than a state licence to commit murder against our most helpless and defenceless.

What really cracks me up is that these pro-lifers LIKE EVE and 40 want to save the babies, and I can see their points although I don't accept them.

But the same type of pro-lifers that rant against abortion would take welfare, food stamps, medical cards and housing assistance from the same people they want to force to have babies.

It's like 'You can't kill your baby! We have values and every life is precious!' then afterwards it's 'Get a job welfare queen, we're not going to raise your kids! Take all their handouts away and make em work or starve! Trump Trump Trump!'...

How do you even expect to have a conversation with somebody so twisted and evil? These people are so self involved with their religions and the other forms of brain washing they have been exposed to, that they can't even see how disgusting their words and thinking process are...

It's just like gun ownership. I fully support gun ownership for home protection and hunting, but why in hell does any civilian need an M-16 or an AK? Seriously, if you think your home needs that kind of protection then the guns are probably not going to be enough, why not just go get yourself a Russian nuke or a tank... smh

Kinda funny since I am pro-choice. I was simply trying to answer the questions Pit posed. So please keep up.

Sorry Eve, got it wrong... it's just that you fit the mold so well politically!

I'm not even a Republican. I'm a libertarian. Granted, a right leaning libertarian, but not the same animal.

You just think that because I am anti-Bernie that I must be pro-Trump when it's not the case at all.

I guess you could say that I am "Pro Life" because I think that the only time an abortion should be performed is as a result of a rape or if there was a good chance that the pregnancy or birth could kill the woman. That being said I don't think abortion should be illegal 1. because the laws in this country should be made only if a majority of the population are for it and I think this issue is to evenly divided, and 2. I see this as more of a moral issue then something the government should rule on. But if for some reason the government did rule it illegal then yes everyone involved with the abortion should be punished but since their is no physical body for people to mourn or person to miss then it shouldn't be treated like a regular murder. Maybe some time in the county jail, probation, and a rather large fine ($25,000+) for the woman and man and even larger fine ($100,000+) and a suspension of license to practice for the doctor who performs the abortion.

That isn't how this is going to work. I'm not your lapdog. I'm not going to spend my time refuting your lazy efforts and comparisons. If you suggest I love Sharia law or something like the above, I'm not going to spend any time proving you wrong.

When I make posts I will no longer be posting opinions. I will back up every statement I make with links and citations. I have page after page of them already saved up. It's what I do...because I like to form my beliefs off of facts.

When you make posts I will evaluate it on the same basis and whenever you are wrong...like saying white people are rapists.. I will refute you whenever I feel like it. I'll choose when I feel like doing this.

If you are going to call my posts stupid or the lazy mockery and SHAMING that people think is any sort of appropriate discussion I am going to fire back with my own barrels.

Do I mock your posts? Do I call anyone here stupid? Nope, maybe if I scanned my posts I could find a few examples of that. But from what I can tell there are a lot of lazy posters around here who think calling something silly is the same as proving someone wrong. It's not an argument to rofl at something. It's not an argument to say something is stupid. It is sheer laziness and sophistry attempting to use SHAME to control other people.

The facts show everything in life, whether we like it or not, is a giant shade of gray.

Yeah thats a real possibility.

I'm basically only going to post now when I'm pissed off and want to destroy some psuedo-marxist bullcrap floating around here.

We'll see if I change my mind about it.

At a certain point agreeing to disagree when people are flat out wrong is not something I am willing to do. I've never particularly stooped down to the semi-retarded level of "lulz your beliefs are dumb" that a lot of people seem to do around here. It is passive aggressive bull crap and cowardice from lazy uniformed people. When someone is wrong I prove them wrong. That is for the most part how I have always posted and will just amplify that.

If people are going to crap on my opinions, when I never do that to them, I'm going to fire back in my own way. I am unwilling to go "lulz the left is dumb" which people seem to gleefully enjoy doing when I post my opinions.

And yes Candy. I am smarter and more well informed than the vast majority of people. I've worked like a dog for over a decade educate myself and have no shame about it. If people think we are some sort of equal when we are discussing things they are sorely mistaken and I'll take them to task on it.

I'll up my standards and hold other people to it. When I follow the other standards around here people seem to feel free to call me silly, I'm not a fan of that. Those are fighting words, passive-aggressive shaming techniques usually seen in women. I can backup every single opinion I have in this world with reams of scientific support. I doubt very many other people can do that. So I'm changing things up. Lets see who wins the game of "prove your beliefs aren't stupid".

Citation needed Rocket.

If you truly ascribe to philosophy you should know that...



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Watch it, King. A superiority complex, and a grandiose sense of self worth set humans up to fall hard and fast.

I'll take that as you got nothing, and you're all fluff.

so far whatever "standard" you got is pretty trash. i'm still waiting on those studies though.

i'm guessing i'm probably not gonna get those numbers i asked for.

it's ok though bro.

so yea, it's the woman's right to choose.

Yeah, fun fact I've studied Socrates extensively. Your second quote isn't from Socrates, frankly it isn't something he would never say.

http://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/06/29/be-kind/

Heres the thing Rocket. You're not making any sort of argument. You rarely make arguments. You post aphorisms and feel good moralisms. You're a sophist quoting Socrates. Pardon my bluntness, but up your game and take your own advice. Do you believe you are wise enough to tell me I am wrong? Wouldn't that be hypocritical of the post you just made?

How do you know everything is a shade of grey? Is mathematics a shade of grey? Is physics a shade of grey? Is it conceivable there are other areas where facts are facts? Do you know how to tell truth from falsehood?

Socrates went around from town to town all over Greece talking to the wisest men. The point of his "knowing you know nothing" quote is these people always claimed to have great explanations of virtue etc. etc. They were contradictory or completely fallacious every single time. And Socrates would feign ignorance (passive aggressively ) and ask them to explain their views. It was called the Socratic method and is basically the basis of western philosophy leading up to empiricism. I know how to tell truth from falsehood, there's a little methodology called the scientific method. It's a bit different from posting aphorisms. I'll be using it a lot from now on when I post. I'll be a delightful socratic gadfly...we'll see if I get some hemlock for it.

Americans have murdered more than 60 million babies in the last 50 years. The karma from that will hit us like a ton of bricks eventually. No one gives the father or the family of the unborn child any rights to protect their unborn family member's life at all.

I understand its wrong to force a woman who was raped to carry that new life to term. I mean its not like she can murder the men who raped her like they deserve. It also makes sense to allow it if the mother doesn't want to risk her life for the sake of her unborn child. I can understand both those situations.

Yet, to me, once you made the decision to have sex, then your rights are over and its time to protect the rights of the unborn child. It's not a pile of garbage. It's an unborn child. Many of them come out of the womb as viable children just to have a spike rammed into their brain to kill them off because they are still alive after being removed.

You spout this nonsense about how we don't want to take care of them after they are born but that's not true. I'm all for the parents of said child being forced to take care of their child. If they need help with food and shelter I am fine with that too. It's so ridiculously easy to feed every single person in the US that its not even funny.

I already agree that all americans should get unlimited and free college and healthcare. I'd rather have a nation of well fed scholars than out of work bums stealing, murdering, or rotting in jail any day.

I"m sorry but once you make the choice to spread your legs voluntarily then to me your rights end and the child's begin. Maybe the real answer here is to keep your damn legs shut till you're with your husband. Then again I guess its too much for people to have control of their behaviors and instead lets just murder children because that is more convenient. 60 million murdered children in the last 50 years alone and counting ... yet by all means let the murderers, rapists, and other violent criminals live because that makes more sense right?

NO the facts are that the gray is just the excuses we make to commit evil and not feel bad about it.

"I know it's wrong but ..."

That is not a grey area it's just bs excuses. When you have to justify your actions then what you're doing is wrong. You're making excuses to make yourself feel better about it but it doesn't change the fact that you did something wrong.

There is no grey area when you stop accepting BS excuses.

I guess I'm just glad there's not 60 million unwanted kids walking around this country. Too many already here as it is it seems. Bullet dodged in my mind.

I Think everybody knows my opinion on this subject by now. I believe they should be punished for murdering their own innocent child. Should anybody who takes them to get the abortion be charged? Once again IMO YES.

QFT

All his posts have demonstrated to me is that he's a ticking time bomb at this point with a short fuse. He's going to get into an argument with someone superior than him intellectually and he's going to snap then receive a ban. He's already stated himself that he can't handle any form of passive aggressiveness on an Internet forum. He should just take my advice that I posted on the page before.

I hate to break it to him, but he's posting on an Internet forum dedicated to a professional football franchise.

Because we have so much work already for the people on this planet...

It's cold, but we're overpopulated. Birth control is disgusting and should never come to that with the available resources to prevent pregnancies, but I don't think the government should be regulating what individuals choose to do with their bodies while we continue to push the limits of how many human beings this planet can support.

When Kingcob posts, it makes me hot.

He eats dogs and pigs for lunch with a little sausage gravy.

I think this is a classic case of 'TMI.'


[shudder]

“Hey mom, when’s my Conception Day?”

This is why I say you're a good guy that likes to just rib poke. I actually laughed.

You are one of the few with a sense of humor.

What do your psychological studies tell you about people who brag about their intelligence and superiority on the internet?






Interesting. For a lot of reasons.....

It is not bragging when he can deliver.

Deliver what? That he knows how to use Wikipedia and a thesaurus?