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But since Hilary didn't say it, it really doesn't matter.

I made no comment on that, did I? Someone asked who said it, I informed them who said it.

Pretty simple.

However, you either hold Hillary responsible for Albrights statement, OR, you don't hold trump responsible for what his supporters do or say.

Take your pick. It can't be both ways.

I believe everyone needs to be honest and say that our choices suck even more than usual this coming election and none of us will really win voting for either of the choices.

ok, But everything i cry about with Trump has actually came out of his mouth.

you get that right? i don't need to attack outside sources, because the source itself provides all the material needed.

Rocket, Albright said "There is a special place in Hell for women who don't support other women."

She's a twit.

And no where have I said it didn't.


You DO understand I was answering someone's question, right?

But as to your self perceived point - yeah, you try to hold Trump accountable for things that haven't come out of his mouth.

That is why I said what I did: If you want to hold trump accountable for what his supporters have said or done, you'd look foolish for not holding hillary supporters to the same standard.

It's really pretty simple. Sorry you appear to be having a bad day.

not having a bad day, just once again confused as to how you can't understand anything i post.

It does seem odd you can't follow along.

Let me break it down for you: Someone implied Hillary said "..there's a special place in hell for women that don't support women" That is not a verbatim quote, but if you want to call me on it, just scroll up a bit, you'll find the exact phrase.

I responded to that person the Hillary had not said that, to my knowledge, but rather Madeiline Albright had said it.

I did, however, go on to say that if someone feels it's proper to hold Trump responsible for things his followers/supporters say or do, than it's only right that they hold Hillary responsible for what her - not only supporter, but stump speech maker says in support of hillary.

That does seem logical, does it not?

"However, you either hold Hillary responsible for Albrights statement, OR, you don't hold trump responsible for what his supporters do or say.

Take your pick. It can't be both ways."

you're talking to me, directly. if that's not how you meant to say it, then you need to take your own advice on grammar and word your post properly.

since you were talking directly to me, i responded.

10 minutes and i've already grown annoyed talking to you. have a good day.

My first response - to Rocket:

YOUR response to ME:

MY response to you after you inserted yourself into the conversation:

Sorry you've grown annoyed with me. But, it does seem like it's your problem, not mine. Perhaps you don't like how I post? Perhaps you don't like logic?

Simply: Someone asked for a link. I provided a link to WHO actually said what. At that point, technically, I was defending hillary.

I also added that if people are going to hold trump accountable for what his supporters say or do, the same should hold true for hillary. I only responded to you when you responded to me.

The posts are all there.

Yes, I can see why you might get tired of me pointing out facts.

Hillary was 2 feet away from Albright and hillary knew EXACTLY what was going to be said by Albright and she [Hillary] responded with a hardy laff and a standing O.

Still haven't gotten an answer ABOUT trumps racist remarks hmmmmmmmm

Link?

Wow even Fox News is slamming Palin. She's been an absolute wreck.

First McCain, now trump.

Here you go swish. Scroll down just a bit. The video is there, plain as day. And yes, Hillary was within 3 ft. of albright.

http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/06/madele...-hillary-video/

Of course, I posted the link earlier and you didn't watch it.

Will you this time?

WHAT? You are being ridiculous! Trump said the mexicans mexico is sending here are the worst... Blah blah ... they are bring drugs, they are bring crime, they are rapist, And, I assume, some are good people.

Here is some of his hate/racist clips:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/9-ou...4b0c818f618904b

You already posted a link saying that Hilary didn't say it.

Now you're changing stances?

Here are 9 examples of him being a racist!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83

Now try and prove to me Trump is not a racist!

WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT????

Seriously, do you honestly have this much trouble following along?

Where did I change ANYTHING? YOU asked for a link from riley regarding hillary being with in feet of Albright when she said it. I gave you the link.

What the hell are you talking about? Me changing stances? You can't possibly be that dumb.

you're the one who can't follow along.

riley is still claiming hilary said it. i was responding to him.

nevermind, i keep getting suckered in to dialogue with you. dunno why.

Dude - bro - newsflash: I'm not riley!

Do you get that?

I'm not Riley. Yet you want to call me out?

Pathetic.

Oh, and you keep getting suckered in? Maybe if you had some facts about my posts, instead of preconceived ideas, you'd be able to reply intelligently.

Seriously, as it is, you're calling me out over what someone ELSE said?

You're calling me out over posting links to what rocket originally asked about? Come on man, you're smarter than that. I thought.

anyways,

Donald Trump’s tax plan is great for Donald Trump

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/donald-trumps-tax-plan-great-donald-trump

Donald Trump’s position on winning is clear: He’s for it. So it’s perhaps not surprising that Trump himself looks like the biggest winner in his tax plan, which includes a number of changes that would slash taxes for himself, his company, and the children who stand to inherit his fortune.

“I fight like hell to pay as little as possible,” Trump said at his press conference announcing the plan on Monday. “Can I say that? I’m not a politician. I fight like hell always because it’s an expense.”

After weeks of worrying traditional anti-tax Republicans with talk of a crackdown on the rich, experts across the political spectrum say Trump’s plan looks like a windfall for the wealthiest of the wealthy and for big corporations. The top tax rate for individuals would be reduced to 25% from 39.6%, the top corporate tax rate would be cut by more than half to 15% from 35%, and the estate tax – which only applies to inheritances over $5.4 million – would be eliminated entirely. In addition, Trump would eliminate a 3.8% surcharge on capital gains taxes for wealthy investors created to finance the Affordable Care Act, which provides subsidies to lower and middle income Americans to buy insurance. All of these changes would likely benefit people like Trump and businesses like his own in a major way.

RELATED: Donald Trump unveils his tax plan

“The much lower top marginal rate of 25 percent will mean a large cut for the top, even with the limitation on itemized deductions,” Kyle E. Pomerleau, an economist as the conservative Tax Foundation, which is scoring all the GOP plans, told msnbc in an email. “It will also be a cut for those on the bottom, but the cut will be small or minimal. Trump is claiming a tax increase on wealthy individuals, but I do not believe this will be the case.”


MSNBC LIVE WITH TAMRON HALL , 9/28/15, 11:30 AM ET
Donald Trump unveils tax plan


There would be some offsets to go with the cuts. Though the details are still vague, Trump said he would eliminate or cap deductions that benefit the wealthy in order to help finance the plan as well as some corporate deductions. He’s proposed a one-time tax of 10% on corporate money stored abroad and ending companies’ ability to defer paying taxes on future overseas earnings, an idea with some support in progressive circles. He’s also made a big show of ending the carried interest loophole, which benefits hedge fund investors. But the carried interest loophole is mostly symbolic: the Congressional Budget Office estimated it would save just $17 billion over a decade. By comparison, ending the estate tax alone will cost $246 billion.

Economists also see the potential for a new and far more lucrative loophole in Trump’s plan. Under his proposal, business owners who pay individual income taxes on their company’s earnings – a type of taxation known as pass-through – would see their top rates reduced Trump’s 15% corporate tax rate rather than the already-reduced 25% income tax rate. As a result, high earners could try and rearrange their finances in order to exploit the change.

“Every wealthy person, whether they have a business or not, now has a huge incentive to at least look like an incorporated business so as to pay the 15% rate instead of the top rate of 25% on income under Trump,” Jared Bernstein, former chief economic adviser to Vice President Joe Biden and a senior fellow at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, told msnbc. The current system, by contrast, lines up the pass-through and individual income rates to avoid creating the same hazard.

It’s not just the rich that benefit from the Trump plan. Looking to put a more populist spin on the plan, Trump is playing up its inclusion of a new 0% income tax rate for Americans earning $25,000 individually or $50,000 as a married couple. “They get a new one page form to send the IRS saying, ‘I win,’” according to the campaign’s white paper.

Some important context is in order here, though. Many Americans already pay an effective rate of 0% or less on their income taxes thanks to various deductions. This is the famous 47% of Americans that Mitt Romney mentioned in his secret camera tape in 2012, a number that’s dropped slightly since then as the economy’s improved. Many working lower-income families actually get a net gain from the Earned Income Tax Credit, a refundable credit that adds up to a net benefit for millions, which Trump spokeswoman Hope Hicks told msnbc would remain unchanged. Trump claims that his tax plan would add an additional 31 million households to the no-tax zone, putting the total at 75 million filers.

The problem with cutting taxes across the board is that the cost starts adding up very quickly. The Tax Foundation pegged the cost of Jeb Bush’s tax plan, for example, which only cut top rates to 28% and corporate taxes to 20%, at $3.6 trillion over 10 years by the Tax Foundation using traditional scoring methods and other analyses found similar price tags. They put the cost of Senator Marco Rubio’s plan, which kept top rates higher at 35% but added new lower and middle income tax credits and eliminated capital gains taxes, even higher at $4 trillion.

RELATED: Trump: ‘our country spends money stupidly’

Both plans have some things in common with Trump’s, including lower income and corporate tax rates, simpler deductions, and an end to the estate tax, among other changes. This leads economists who’ve evaluated those plans to expect similarly expensive costs for Trump’s proposals. Neither Bush nor Rubio , however, claimed their plans would be deficit neutral. Trump’s white paper, by contrast, says his reform proposal “doesn’t add to our debt and deficit.”

“On its face, the plan looks similar to Governor Jeb Bush’s plan,” Pomerleau, the Tax Foundation economist, told msnbc. He added it was “highly unlikely that it will be revenue neutral.”

Analyses of Bush’s plan have also found that the majority of its lost revenue would be to finance major tax reductions for the ultra-rich. Citizens for Tax Justice, which favors a higher tax burden on the wealthy, estimated that 53% of the cost would go to the richest 1% of taxpayers versus 3% of the cost that would go to the bottom 20%. The Tax Foundation also found that the top 1% would score an average 11.6% increase in net income while the bottom 80% of taxpayers would get smaller bumps between 1% and 3%.

Trump’s plan cuts rates at the top even more than Bush, making it likely that the distribution ends up raising similar inequality concerns.

In a telling move, Club For Growth Action, a conservative anti-tax group that’s spent $1 million on ads attacking Trump for threatening to raise taxes on the rich, found nothing to attack in Trump’s plan on Monday. Instead, they claimed it proved he’d come around to their views.

“[Trump’s] tax plan begs the question: Does this mean you were completely wrong about all your liberal policies on taxes, trade, health care, bailouts, and eminent domain?” the group’s president, David McIntosh, said in a statement.

i know you're not riley.

so stop talking to me.

Quit attributing his posts to me. S'pose you can do that?

blah blah blah

Whether Trump is racist or not, I don't know for sure. But some of the reasons given as evidence that he is racist in that article are laughable

He is racist because he questions whether Obama was born in the U.S.. LOL

He is racist because he says Jewish people are good negotiaters and political masterminds. Huh?

He is racist because he puts the definite article before Hispanics and Muslims. LOLOLOL

About half the things on that list are legitimate concern and the other half are huge stretches

Just so you know... I don't care for Trump and prefer Cruz. But I just think some of the things on that list are plain silly (though some are legitimate question marks too)

So, you have nothing. You were/are wrong in flat out attributing things to me that I didn't say - yet you ignore the facts of what i did say.

I can see why you want to ignore me.

You have a huge problem with giving yourself credit where none is due.

But if that's what helps you sleep at night. Sure.

Dude? Do you read what you write? This whole thing came about because I answered rockets question. Seriously, get a grip.

Sleep tight.

I'm assuming 40 will, seeing as you replied to him.

I'm assuming 40 will think Arch is Awesome. I am kinda tired though.

I think you've missed the forest for the trees! I agree, taken individually, especially for a man Trump's age, some are laughable. BUT when you look at all the signs as a whole, he is undeniably a bigot at best and a white supremacist racist at the worst.

And let's not even get started on his treatment of women and opposition... He shows nothing but terrible character to me.

I hope like hell come election day the choices are not ONLY him and Hillary.

Not to mention the fact that he's kind of, sort of, more than likely... STUPID!

Trump negotiating better Trade deals, getting immigration under control, and bringing jobs back to America is really a nasty thing to do to Minorities. The Racist will force all of us to have great paying jobs and hope in a better future for us and out kids.

He should wear a hood while shafting us so badly!

Sounds a lot better to me than Bernie taxing America into poverty.

The trouble with giving everyone everything is that a lot of somebodys out there will have to pay for it.

LOL Here come Fric and Frac! Eve and 40 you two are so funny! Now eat your crackerjacks and let the adults talk.

Glad you think it's funny that Bernie wants to rape the retirement funds of the middle class.

The Old Cold One does not care about retirement, he just wants free stuff!

Just like a fat man who had his way paid into an all you can eat buffet!