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There's also a world of difference between hiring the wrong people vs being credited with every bad decision/move those people made.

As the owner the buck stops there. But those hires didn't sit on their hands waiting for the owner to tell them every move to make.

By firing Pettine/Farmer Haslem has eliminated the final remnants of the Banner Era.

Banner interviewed the next HC yes, Haslam was an observer and as owner a participant. But it was Banner's show.

I could have sworn that Sashi Brown was hired by Banner. Am I wrong?

[quote]Once again, please stop trying to deceive posters.

The final decision on every hire has been Haslams. Either he himself or one of his proxy's with his approval. The saying the buck stops here begins and ends with Haslam.

I believe you are trying to sidestep the fact that Haslam made the decision to hire Banner and okayed every move Banner enacted.

Haslam made the decision to promote Farmer, who was not Banner. I don't see a logical conclusion coming to the opinion that the owner, who approved all of this, can be switched to the man he himself hired and shared in the decision making all along.

It's a nice story and is a good way to try and circumvent reality, but IMO, holds zero merit. You can't put the blame on Banner by trying to absolve the person who put him in charge and agreed with.

I just can't find a logical way to share you opinion ddub.

JMHO, some posters are "fountains of all truth"....thought blogs are fans stating opinions and interacting.

He is stating opinions in facts on almost every post he makes. Go ahead and turn the tables, though.

I am not sure if anyone will back me up on this, but it was said that Banner actually wanted to wait on Quinn, but Haslam wanted to pull the trigger because of the negative public perception that it was taking the Browns too long to find a head coach.

I am not claiming that news as factual, but I never heard anything about Haslam not having anything to do w/the Pettine hire.

Btw-----------you didn't respond to the Sashi/Banner tie.

I was referring to Dan Quinn, the former DC of the Seahawks who is now the HC for the Falcons. See the parts where I mentioned "head coach" and later "Pettine hire?"

not sure what your referring to as Banner had nothing to do with the Pettine hiring

why don't think Pettine was my call. Who do u think decided who we interviewed. Wasn't on the radar anywhere

Who do you think hired Pettine. No other team in the league even interviewed him.

Called Pettine's agent very early in process.

Okay............what point are you trying to make?

None of this means that Haslam did not make the final call to hire his HC.

Bill Belichick and Urban Meyer were strong in recommendations for fired Tampa Bay coach Greg Schiano—Belichick called twice—and here’s where I hear there was a major rift in the organization. Banner wanted nothing to do with Schiano. Haslam was intrigued with him after the over-the-top recommendation from Belichick. The group flew to Tampa to interview Schiano, and one source said Banner was cold to Schiano, not participating much in the interview. Banner likely thought Schiano would be a disastrous hire, given all the negatives in recent Cleveland history. He was probably right, but the owner was open to it, and when the owner’s open to it, the man running football operations should at least consider it.

http://mmqb.si.com/2014/02/12/cleveland-browns-jimmy-haslam-fires-joe-banner

Farmer earned Haslam’s respect with a strong interview in Cleveland after the Chiefs staff got blown up. “Smart, no ego, relates well to players,’’ said Haslam. Farmer got Haslam’s ear by standing with him at practice during the season and explaining personnel and scouting—and then by asking his counsel when he was considering taking the Miami GM job last month. The more Haslam thought about Farmer, the more he thought he was a valuable man he didn’t want to lose. Haslam started seriously considering making the changes last week.

Banner led the show, but Haslam was involved in the process. He was NOT idly sitting by.

time will prove, hiring Ray and Pettine, pushing those extra picks into strong draft and 50+ in cap room, began turn around

Goodness! My point is that Haslam was not sitting idly by, as tab suggested. He was an active participant in the search.

Banner interviewed the next HC yes, Haslam was an observer and as owner a participant. But it was Banner's show.

This was his first involved. Right off the bat it looks better cause they have done their best to eliminate in fighting and they got THE TOP HC that was out there. Unlike before.

Is it Haslam or is it just he had to end what he saw. Not created but had never the less.

As stated this is his creation. Which is different from the past which for me eliminates any "TREND" to fire other peoples hire.

"There’s no training manual for being an NFL owner," says Haslam. "There’s a steep learning curve to do it the right way, and I admit we didn’t get it right at first. But I am determined to do it."

Fans,

I thought it was important to take a little bit of time to update you on our head-coach search. We have had the opportunity to speak to a number of outstanding candidates. We have purposefully been very methodical in our approach. We believe it is very important to stay disciplined to this process and to interview all of the candidates on our list. We are strongly committed to finding the right person to coach the Cleveland Browns.

We understood from the beginning that if we wanted to speak to all of the coaches on our list that we may need to wait until they have completed their participation in the playoffs. We are prepared to wait as long as necessary because this is a very important decision. Everyone in our organization is committed to finding the right leader for our team.

We believe the head coach of the Cleveland Browns to be a very attractive position. We have one of the youngest teams in the League, a roster that includes five Pro Bowlers. In addition, we have more salary-cap room than all but one NFL team. We also have three of the top 35 picks in the upcoming draft and five of the top 83 selections.

We are very much looking forward to adding a strong coach to our football team. On behalf of the Cleveland Browns, I cannot thank you enough for your valuable support and passion that you show for our team.

We look forward to communicating with you again after the search process is complete. Thank you again for your phenomenal support and loyalty.

http://www.ngngsports.com/2014/01/jimmy-...he-process.html

it was said that Banner actually wanted to wait on Quinn, but Haslam wanted to pull the trigger because of the negative public perception that it was taking the Browns too long to find a head coach.

One question for you. Well two:

1. What's more credible, the articles I posted or tab's post about Haslam being "an observer" and this really being his first time being actively involved?

2. Do you really believe that Haslam has not been actively involved in the past decisions of the franchise?

LOL............okay.

Is it Haslam or is it just he had to end what he saw. Not created but had never the less.

As stated this is his creation. Which is different from the past which for me eliminates any "TREND" to fire other peoples hire.

I have contributed. You are simply choosing to ignore a lot of what was said.

You keep referring to the press release, but I provided several other articles that suggested Haslam has been involved in the decision-making process.

I also posted this part of tab's post:



You are ignoring all of that. That's fine and it is your right. What else do you want me to say, other than "okay?"

Okay............Sashi Brown was hired by the Browns in January of 2013.

In February of 2014, it was announced that Banner would be leaving the Browns w/in the next two months.

So.............it sure looks like Banner was the guy who brought Sashi in. I thought he did, but I did not want to spread false information like some do.

Look, I get that you guys are the "positive" posters and want to blame everything on Banner and protect Haslam, but please be truthful. Please?

Btw-----------you didn't respond to the Sashi/Banner tie.