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NFL teams ran non-base defenses 63.4% of the time in 2015. https://twitter.com/SI_PeterKing/status/716961529090867202This obviously really helps the case of players like Jack and Ramsey who can line up all over the place. It also makes me even more interested in Su'a Cravens, who was the Myles Jack of USC, and Vonn Bell.
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I have one more pick in the message board mock draft I'm doing on another board for the Browns and I am thrilled with what I've got with one pick left. No trades are allowed in this draft. This is what I have so far:
2. Cleveland - CleveSteve - Laquon Treadwell, WR, Mississippi
32. Cleveland - CleveSteve - Josh Doctson, WR, TCU
65. Cleveland - CleveSteve - Cardale Jones, QB, Ohio State
100. Cleveland - CleveSteve - Cyrus Jones, CB, Alabama
139. Cleveland - CleveSteve - Roberto Aguayo, K, Florida State
142. Cleveland - CleveSteve - Victor Ochi, OLB, Stony Brook
173. Cleveland - CleveSteve - Tyrone Holmes, OLB, Montana
174. Cleveland - CleveSteve - Brandon Shell, OT, South Carolina
177. Cleveland – CleveSteve - Kalan Reed, CB Southern Miss
Wasn't planning on picking Aguayo, but he was sitting there and there wasn't anyone I was crazy about there. Maybe Iaonnidis would have been a better pick.
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I think I know the answer to this, but is that what you would do or want you think the Browns will do?
I love Doctson at #32. I hate Laquon Treadwell at #2.
Also, I have heard Aguayo might go in the second round, so getting him there is gold (I don't think I could stomach taking him any earlier).
The guy from Stony Brook has loads of potential. Alex Hallish.
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I think I know the answer to this, but is that what you would do or want you think the Browns will do?
I love Doctson at #32. I hate Laquon Treadwell at #2.
Also, I have heard Aguayo might go in the second round, so getting him there is gold (I don't think I could stomach taking him any earlier).
The guy from Stony Brook has loads of potential. Alex Hallish. I asked before we started... they gave me the Browns trying to be nice but I knew I would blow up the draft drafting for the Browns, so I asked the guy running it which angle they wanted us to take, and he said to "do what you would do" for the team. Ochi has much better hands then Hall. His punch and swat are so heavy and he has an excellent 10-split (something like 1.62 or 1.66). Dominated the Shrine Game so 5th round is really nice value. Thought about Alex McCalister over Holmes but the combination of the skinny spectre of Barkevious Mingo along with the character questions (why was he dismissed from the team) had me take Holmes, who had 18 sacks last year and is very good at setting the edge as well. *edit* and yeah, I tried to push for trades because I knew that Treadwell at 2 would cause a ruckus, but no dice.
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..."do what you would do" for the team. So this begs I ask the question, why the two WRs both early? At first I thought that with RG3 maybe start out of the gate with two highly rated WRs might really kick start our O. But then I remember a mock you did early on, way before RG3, and it also had, maybe the same two, WRs as our first and second picks. So now the question: What would be your reasoning and logic behind those two picks? I'm not disagreeing, rather it simply looks odd.
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So this begs I ask the question, why the two WRs both early? At first I thought that with RG3 maybe start out of the gate with two highly rated WRs might really kick start our O. But then I remember a mock you did early on, way before RG3, and it also had, maybe the same two, WRs as our first and second picks.
So now the question: What would be your reasoning and logic behind those two picks?
I'm not disagreeing, rather it simply looks odd. 18 Gabriel, Taylor WR 5-8 167 25 3 Abilene Christian 85 Hall, Rannell WR 6-1 200 24 1 Central Florida 83 Hartline, Brian WR 6-2 200 29 8 Ohio State 16 Hawkins, Andrew WR 5-7 180 30 6 Toledo 10 Jennings, Darius WR 5-10 169 23 1 Virginia 15 Moore, Marlon WR 6-0 190 28 7 Fresno State 17 Pryor, Terrelle WR 6-4 233 26 4 Ohio State =============================== None of these guys look like starters to me. Turn weaknesses into strengths.
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Actually, sorry for the short reply. It is actually more than that... has to do with how good the receivers are and depth throughout the draft. I don't think there's a receiver who is close to as good as Treadwell in the draft in the role he would play. And Doctson is the only guy who is good enough for me to take a second receiver in the second. He just happened to make it all the way to 32. I wasn't going in with a "2 WRs with the first two picks" mentality other than I was hoping Doctson would fall. If I missed on Doctson I probably would have waited all the way to the 6th or 7th to draft another receiver. I would have considered Sheppard in the third depending on what happened in between but he actually went in the first in this draft.
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I drafted a QB, 2 WRs, 2 CBs, 2 edge rushers, a RT, and a K. The way I saw the edge rushers, I got the #3 and #5 3-4 OLBs on my board and I was able to get them late (5th round.) I had to jump on Jones at 100. Wasn't sure where I was going to go with that pick but it's easy for me with him still available. Getting a CB with the attributes of Reed along with being a physical player made it easy to double up there. I still would like to draft a safety and an ILB, and a RB and a C would be nice, but I only have one pick left. Still, I tried to maximize the impact my picks would make on the team. That was my thinking on it anyways.
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I won't ream you as in the past. Just #2 and #32 WRs of maybe the weakest draft class for that position in a while? I'm not a fan of early investment of the position but if they are BPA ok...I just don't see them close as BPA.
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I won't ream you as in the past. Just #2 and #32 WRs of maybe the weakest draft class for that position in a while? I'm not a fan of early investment of the position but if they are BPA ok...I just don't see them close as BPA.
jmho... While overall it is a weaker class than the last two years, I think those two guys are the best WRs in the class and can hang with the guys in the previous drafts. Really the only opportunity to boost WR significantly. Shepard is good but not as good. Coleman I think is a bit more specialized. These two are legit receivers, both possible #1 candidates, though I think paired together they make each other better with their skillsets. That was my thinking anyways. Had Doctson gone before 32, I would have taken one of DL Chris Jones, OT Taylor Decker, or S Vonn Bell.
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2. Wentz
32. Michael Thomas, WR, OSU
65. Josh Perry, LB, OSU
100. Sean Davis, DB, Maryland
139. Kalan Reed, CB, Southern Miss
142. Joe Haag, OL, NDSU
173. Moritz Boehringer, WR, ...Germany? (Apparently his team is/was the Schwäbisch Hall Unicorns)
174. David Morgan, TE, UTSA
177. Ronald Blair, DL, App State
223. Curt Maggitt, OLB, Tennessee
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I appreciate the expanded explanation. Once I had another look at our WR corps it did look disturbing. To think of two competent WRs in the mix it's easy to imagine the offense getting a huge shot in arm. With RG3s accuracy and two quality WRs it could open up the run game, which could open up the passing game in return. My only issue is that I've never been a fan of taking a WR in the top 10. To see us select one 2nd overall causes me to grimace a bit, especially in such a defense-heavy draft. I've been of the mind all along that we desperately need to build up our defense. Which is true. On the other hand, we desperately need to build up every unit on the team. It's tough to make those decisions. Maybe we did help the defense with the Horton hire, almost like, or as good as a quality player. Horton for O'Neil looks like a big upgrade. Who knows how things will shake out. We need so much, where do you start. I tried to maximize the impact my picks would make on the team. That was my thinking on it anyways. I think you did that with your mix. If the first two picks work out and one or two of the others becomes solid contributors that would be a great draft. I also like the Jones pick. With all his doubters there's still something about him that is appealing. The biggest thing for me was the intangible of how he conducted himself through the Championship run. I can't imagine more pressure than that on a third string QB and the games were not too big for him. That's huge to me.
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Had him as my #2 guy. No idea why it's taken so long for him to get noticed.
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My mock as follows...slide out of #32 overall to say #38 and pick up a 3rd rounder and a late 5th rounder
1. Jalen Ramsey -FS/CB
2. Shilique Calhoun -OLB
3. Germaine Ifedi -RT
3. Tyler Boyd -WR
4. Dak Prescott-QB
4. Jihad Ward -DE
5. Jerrell Adams -TE
5. Eric Murray -CB (assume we trade McCown away)
5. Blake Martinez -ILB
5. TJ Green -SS
5. Austin Blythe -C
6. Aaron Green -RB
7. Joe Gore -LT
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Had him as my #2 guy. No idea why it's taken so long for him to get noticed. Probably because he doesn't have good hands. They are small. He body catches and had too many drops. He's also weak and will struggle against physical corners who press him at the LOS.
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We need so much, where do you start.
I have always been a proponent of building the offense 1st and defense 2nd. Here are my reasons, some superficial some with more solid purpose. The superficial. If you have a 5 -11 season and are scoring only 10 points per game, everybody gets thee doldrums. The fans, the players, everybody has this heavy aire hanging over them. It isn't fun. Even if you only lose 14-10 every game. You get down 10 points and feel the game is over. When you have a capable offense the team is energized. It is fun to come to the stadium, again both for the players and the fans. You lose games 33-30 and it sucks, but it is still fun. You get down 2 touchdowns early but you still feel like you can come back and win the game. It is also easier for most fans to see improvement in the team and give them hope. Again this may be very superficial in the long run but I do feel that have that positive energetic feel around the team is good for both the players and the fans. And as I typed this out, in my mind it became more important. I look at the Browns past 5, 10? years and see a team that hangs their shoulders every day they come to the stadium. If they came in excited and enthusiastic, I believe they would work harder and progress faster. Unless/until your defense is good enough to win games 14-10 on a regular bases, especially with big, exciting, game changing plays, then you just don't get that feeling. Reason #2 is that I believe offensive players take longer to be able to plug and play. I think outside of Rb, offensive players typically (not always) need 3 years to develop. On defense it is much easier to find a rookie who can come in and make an immediate impact. My theory is: If you build offense 1st, they will mature in 3 years and peak in 4-5. You bring in defense a year or 2 later and you will get the offense and defense peaking at the same time. If you bring defense in 1st, they mature year 2 and your D improves but then you bring in offense and have to wait 3 years for them to come up to steam. At that point you start having these players reach free agency forcing you to either lose them in free agency or give them those big 2nd contracts, which is fine at 1st but then that next wave hits and you get cap casualties. You never get both the offense and defense peaking at the same time for more than a year or two. You end up constantly chasing your tail. This goes along with why I do not want Ezekial Elliot in the 1st round (obviously after a trade down). I have no doubt that drafting Zeke would have the biggest most immediate impact on our team. However, Rb's have the shortest career spans. By the time we build up the rest of the team, he will be coming to the end of his 6-8 year window and we'll be talking about replacing him. An olineman, QB or Wr will have a 10-15 year window to work with. Something that I feel is obvious but knowing this board I feel I need to state it outright. When drafting. more important than this theory is the draft itself. If you are deciding between a good offensive player and a great defensive player, you take the great defensive player every time. However, if you are deciding between to good players and one is offense and the other defense then all other things being equal you take the offensive guy at this point in our building of this team. I am sure you can look and find exceptions. They are always out there for every theory. But this is my theory.
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My mock as follows...slide out of #32 overall to say #38 and pick up a 3rd rounder and a late 5th rounder
1. Jalen Ramsey -FS/CB
2. Shilique Calhoun -OLB
3. Germaine Ifedi -RT
3. Tyler Boyd -WR
4. Dak Prescott-QB
4. Jihad Ward -DE
5. Jerrell Adams -TE
5. Eric Murray -CB (assume we trade McCown away)
5. Blake Martinez -ILB
5. TJ Green -SS
5. Austin Blythe -C
6. Aaron Green -RB
7. Joe Gore -LT
I think you may have some players undervalued, but it looks pretty good. I've heard TJ Green could sneak into the late first, with some teams seeing him as a Seahawks mold corner. Link
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I have always been a proponent of building the offense 1st and defense 2nd. Here are my reasons, some superficial some with more solid purpose.
The superficial. If you have a 5 -11 season and are scoring only 10 points per game, everybody gets thee doldrums. The fans, the players, everybody has this heavy aire hanging over them. It isn't fun. Even if you only lose 14-10 every game. You get down 10 points and feel the game is over.
When you have a capable offense the team is energized. It is fun to come to the stadium, again both for the players and the fans. You lose games 33-30 and it sucks, but it is still fun. You get down 2 touchdowns early but you still feel like you can come back and win the game.
It is also easier for most fans to see improvement in the team and give them hope.
Again this may be very superficial in the long run but I do feel that have that positive energetic feel around the team is good for both the players and the fans. And as I typed this out, in my mind it became more important. I look at the Browns past 5, 10? years and see a team that hangs their shoulders every day they come to the stadium. If they came in excited and enthusiastic, I believe they would work harder and progress faster. Unless/until your defense is good enough to win games 14-10 on a regular bases, especially with big, exciting, game changing plays, then you just don't get that feeling.
Reason #2 is that I believe offensive players take longer to be able to plug and play. I think outside of Rb, offensive players typically (not always) need 3 years to develop. On defense it is much easier to find a rookie who can come in and make an immediate impact.
My theory is:
If you build offense 1st, they will mature in 3 years and peak in 4-5. You bring in defense a year or 2 later and you will get the offense and defense peaking at the same time.
If you bring defense in 1st, they mature year 2 and your D improves but then you bring in offense and have to wait 3 years for them to come up to steam. At that point you start having these players reach free agency forcing you to either lose them in free agency or give them those big 2nd contracts, which is fine at 1st but then that next wave hits and you get cap casualties. You never get both the offense and defense peaking at the same time for more than a year or two. You end up constantly chasing your tail.
This goes along with why I do not want Ezekial Elliot in the 1st round (obviously after a trade down). I have no doubt that drafting Zeke would have the biggest most immediate impact on our team. However, Rb's have the shortest career spans. By the time we build up the rest of the team, he will be coming to the end of his 6-8 year window and we'll be talking about replacing him. An olineman, QB or Wr will have a 10-15 year window to work with.
Something that I feel is obvious but knowing this board I feel I need to state it outright. When drafting. more important than this theory is the draft itself. If you are deciding between a good offensive player and a great defensive player, you take the great defensive player every time. However, if you are deciding between to good players and one is offense and the other defense then all other things being equal you take the offensive guy at this point in our building of this team.
I am sure you can look and find exceptions. They are always out there for every theory. But this is my theory.
I can understand where you're coming from with the offense first positivity. The Jaguars went 5-11, and the Raiders went 8-8. They are often pointed out as teams that have turned it around. They both have offenses on the up-tick. Unfortunately those offenses have found their QBs, and we haven't. That seems to be the key to building an offense. The problem with the O First approach is that the talent has to be there in the draft. I like Wentz, but wouldn't say he's a lock. If offensive players are there at our picks that are in that BPA range and will be upgrades over our incumbents go for it. If there aren't, go D. One thing somewhat getting me on board on the Offense focused drafted is that we seem to have more young guys that we don't know the full story on yet on D. We've got DeSir and Gaines at corner and they've flashed at times. CB is a position that can take awhile to acclimate to in the pros. Remember Skrine's career arc. We've got Campbell at safety. Kirksey is still pretty young at ILB. Orchard is in year 2 at OLB and stepped it up a bit at the end of the year. We've got Shelton and X. Cooper on the d-line. What legitimate young prospect do we have at WR or QB? We have Erving it looks like at Center, but we could probably use a Tackle prospect, too. We lost a good bit of leadership from the roster also, so I'm trying to look at guys that seem to offer that, too.
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I think you may have some players undervalued, but it looks pretty good. I've heard TJ Green could sneak into the late first, with some teams seeing him as a Seahawks mold corner. Link Wow, really? I couldn't event get myself to draft him late 4th for us in our mock. Looks all athlete... not sure if he's a football player.
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I understand your thought process. Just an over estimation for the position value as individuals. That doesn't mean I don't agree with the thought process of Upgrading our WR Corp.
1. I do expect Gordon to be back and serious.
2. I would take Cajuste in the mid rounds...kid would adjust to the NFL way sooner than the other two. Is perfect for our biggest need Red Zone WR. Size, Height, Smart, Great Hands and runs good routes.
3. I would take Canaan Severin. He doesn't need time to heal...yet he does have a serious disease that has him tire at times. He is not in a position where that can hurt him for the one play. I'm sure he can feel it coming on to take himself out and rest. He went through college all right with the disease.
He analytically grades out higher than any WR in this draft. Size, Hands...hard worker. Inspiration to the team! What if he last 2 seasons. Well 7th round pick its still worth it!
With those two draft investments. I think we have a more than efficient WR Corp.
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Yeah he wasn't really on my list of guys I liked. I just saw that video this morning. I might look at him more later.
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Hello Brownies,
this is a Mock-Draft from a NFl-board in Germany. I´m the Browns-(armchair) GM :
Round 1:
#1 Titans - Laremy Tunsil, OT, Ole Miss
#2 Browns - Carson Wentz, QB, North Dakota State
#3 Chargers - Jalen Ramsey, S, FSU
#4 Saints (from Cowboys) - Joey Bosa, DE, OSU
#5 Jaguars - Myles Jack, LB, UCLA
#6 Eagles (from Ravens) - Jared Goff, QB, Cal
#7 49ers - Ezekiel Elliott, RB, OSU
#8 Ravens (from Eagles) - DeForest Buckner, DE, Oregon
#9 Buccaneers - Vernon Hargreaves III, CB, Florida
#10 Giants - Ronnie Stanley, OT, ND
#11 Bears - Noah Spence, DE, Eastern Kentucky
#12 Cowboys (from Saints) - William Jackson III, CB, Houston
#13 Dolphins - Reggie Ragland, LB, Alabama
#14 Raiders - Jack Conklin, OT, Michigan State
#15 Rams - Laquon Treadwell, WR, Mississippi
#16 Lions - Darron Lee, LB, Ohio State
#17 Falcons - Shaq Lawson, DE, Clemson
#18 Colts - Jarran Reed, DT, Alabama
#19 Bills - Vernon Butler, DT, Louisiana Tech
#20 Jets - Taylor Decker, OT, Ohio State
#21 Redskins - Chris Jones, DT, Mississippi State
#22 Texans - Corey Coleman, WR, Baylor
#23 Vikings - Will Fuller, WR, Notre Dame
#24 Bengals - A'Shawn Robinson, DT, Alabama
#25 Steelers - Andrew Billings, DT, Baylor
#26 Seahawks - Jason Spriggs, OT, Indiana
#27 Packers - Sheldon Rankins, DT, Louisville
#28 Browns (from Chiefs) - Josh Doctson, WR, TCU (Browns get #28,#203 ,Chiefs get #32 , #99 )
#29 Cardinals - Mackensie Alexander, CB, Clemson
#30 Panthers - Kendall Fuller, CB, Virginia Tech
#31 Giants (from Broncos) - Eli Apple, CB, Ohio State
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Round 2 :
#32 Chiefs (from Browns) - Sterling Shepard, WR, Oklahoma
#33 Titans - Jaylon Smith, LB, Notre Dame
#34 Cowboys - Kevin Dodd, DE, Clemson
#35 Chargers - Jonathan Bullard, DE, Florida
#36 Ravens - Cody Whitehair, OG, Kansas State
#37 49ers - Ryan Kelly, C, Alabama
#38 Dolphins (from Jaguars) - Paxton Lynch, QB, Memphis
#39 Buccaneers - Justin Simmons, S, BC
#40 Broncos (from Giants) - Robert Nkemdiche, DT, Ole Miss
#41 Bears - Darian Thompson, S, Boise State
#42 Jaguars (from Dolphins) - Emmanuel Ogbah, DE, OK State
#43 Rams - Karl Joseph, S, WVU
#44 Colts (from Raiders) - Leonard Floyd, OLB, Georgia
#45 Rams - Hunter Henry, TE, Arkansas
#46 Lions - Derrick Henry, RB, Alabama
#47 Cowboys (from Saints) - Michael Thomas, WR, Ohio State
#48 Raiders (from Colts) - Kamalei Correa, OLB, Boise State
#49 Bills - Keanu Neal, S, Florida
#50 Falcons - Su'a Cravens, OLB, USC
#51 Bengals (from Jets) - Braxton Miller, WR, Ohio State
#52 Patriots (from Texans) - Kenny Clark, DT, UCLA
#53 Redskins - Artie Burns, CB, Miami (Fl)
#54 Vikings - Vonn Bell, S, Ohio State
#55 Jets (from Bengals) - Xavien Howard, CB, Baylor
#56 Seahawks - Kenneth Dixon, RB, LT
#57 Packers - Joshua Perry, LB, Ohio State
#58 Steelers - Kyler Fackrell, OLB, Utah State
#59 Chiefs - Jordan Jenkins, OLB, Georgia
#60 Patriots - Devontae Booker, RB, Utah
#61 Texans (from Patriots) - Shon Coleman, OT, Auburn
#62 Panthers - Nick Martin, C, ND
#63 Broncos - Dak Prescott, QB, Miss State
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Round 3:
#64 Titans - Austin Johnson, DT, Penn State
#65 Browns - Joshua Garnett, OG, Stanford
#66 Ravens (from Chargers) - Tyler Boyd, WR, Pitt
#67 Cowboys - Jeremy Cash, S, Duke
#68 49ers - Shilique Calhoun, DE, Michigan State
#69 Jaguars - Christian Westerman, OG, Arizona State
#70 Chargers (from Ravens) - Le'Raven Clark, OT, TTU
#71 Broncos (from Giants) - Vadal Alexander, OG, LSU
#72 Bears - Jihad Ward, DT, Illinois
#73 Dolphins - C.J. Prosise, RB, ND
#74 Buccaneers - Leonte Carroo, WR, Rutgers
#75 Raiders - Sheldon Day, DT, Notre Dame
#76 Rams - Max Tuerk, C, USC
#77 Ravens (from Eagles) - Scooby Wright III, ILB, Arizona
#78 Saints - Adolphus Washington, DT, Ohio State
#79 Eagles - Jalen Mills, S, LSU
#80 Bills - Yannick Ngakoue, LB, Maryland
...next picks coming soon.
A part of my board :
Tyler Higbee, TE, Western Kentucky
Bronson Kaufusi , DE...........Target
Carl Nassib , DE...Target
Shawn Oakman , DE...Target
Anthony Zettel , DE
Pharoh Cooper , WR
Kentrell Brothers , ILB...Target
John Theus , T
Germain Ifedi , T
Nick Kwiatkowski , ILB....Target
Josh Forrest , ILB
Victor Ochi , OLB
Justin Simmons , FS
Kavon Frazier, FS
Xavien Howard , CB
Cyrus Jones , CB
Roberto Aguayo.- Kicker
You o.k. with that ?
I am grateful for any advice.
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I would of jumped on either Calhoun or Scooby in the 3rd.
I loke getting Doctson, don't know how I feel about trading up for him.. you didn't give up much though really..
I currently have no opinion on the #2 overall pick.. basically I'm just ganna wait and see what the heck they do..
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Ifedi is late first talent would be all over that one
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Welcome, GermanBrown. Garnett is one of the few linemen who can thrive in either a ZBS or a Power scheme, so he will still be useful in two seasons when we have a new coach and offensive scheme. I imagine in this scenario you put Garnett at LG and Bitonio at RT?
It's no secret around here that I'm not a fan of using pick 2 on Wentz. I do like Doctson quite a bit.
I think your next pick isn't until 138 due to the trade, correct? Higbee would be an awesome get if he is still there at that selection, but I think you should look real hard at corner or safety. You have Howard listed as a potential target but he was selected in round 2. If Cyrus Jones is there jump all over it. KJ Dillon would be a nice pickup there as well. Another corner to look at late would be Kalan Reed of Southern Miss. Browns had him in for a visit and he has good size and great athleticism. If you pick one up late, Michael Kaputo (SS) and Trevon Stewart (FS) would be my favorites more than likely at safety.
I would add Ioannidis to your DL list... strong run defender and very good at eating blocks. Made Matakevich have star-like stats at Temple.
Blake Martinez, Brandon Chubb, Steven Daniels would all be potentially good ILB candidates.
I'd add Tyrone Holmes and Alex McCalister to your list of OLB candidates for later as well in addition to Ochi.
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I think that 32 could be a nice piece to use to trade back into the 1st with. The guarantees will be lower than for a 1st round pick, the salary will be lower, and yet, 32 is, essentially, a 1st round pick.
Plus, the team who holds that 1st pick in the 2nd round gets the time to reset their board, and evaluate all of their options, They aren't on a short clock.
I think that the Browns should be able to trade from 32 to a late 1st round spot without paying a huge premium.
All of that said, I think that 32 is the spot where the Browns might make a move down. I think that pick will be very valuable, and could bring a nice bounty.
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At 32 I expect we will be debating Noah Spence, Vernon Butler, RB Henry, OT Germain Ifedi, Jaylon Smith
give me all of those guys lol Thuis is why I am such a proponent of doing a Mangini Milking of the draft. Hey Chargers Dallas is wanting to jump you what can you give us. just a 2nd, throw in a 4th and you got a deal. woo hoo
Hey Cowboys we are here at 3 we got the 49ers on the line, we dont want to drop that far so what can u give us to get the guy u want. a 2nd and 3rd you got it. Now sitting at 4. Only one QB left someone blow me away with a trade Eagles offering 2 2nds and a 2nd in next years draft Rams trying to make the big jump.
This draft is set up perfectly for us to rebuild our team but do we have guys that can see the forest through that one big tree sitting at 2. Their inexperience scares me but if they are as smart as they think they are, they can let all these teams take advantage and justkeep adding those 2nd and 3rd rounder in this draft. Then around 15 take you Treadwell, Lynch or whoever the hell you want.
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At 32 I expect we will be debating Noah Spence, Vernon Butler, RB Henry, OT Germain Ifedi, Jaylon Smith
give me all of those guys lol Thuis is why I am such a proponent of doing a Mangini Milking of the draft. Hey Chargers Dallas is wanting to jump you what can you give us. just a 2nd, throw in a 4th and you got a deal. woo hoo
Hey Cowboys we are here at 3 we got the 49ers on the line, we dont want to drop that far so what can u give us to get the guy u want. a 2nd and 3rd you got it. Now sitting at 4. Only one QB left someone blow me away with a trade Eagles offering 2 2nds and a 2nd in next years draft Rams trying to make the big jump.
This draft is set up perfectly for us to rebuild our team but do we have guys that can see the forest through that one big tree sitting at 2. Their inexperience scares me but if they are as smart as they think they are, they can let all these teams take advantage and justkeep adding those 2nd and 3rd rounder in this draft. Then around 15 take you Treadwell, Lynch or whoever the hell you want. That is a great idea in theory, but no chance all those teams are giving up that much to move up a spot or two. They aren't Butch Davis. I get that teams will want QBs, and that usually requires a premium, but who are the Chargers moving up for? No guarantee the Cowboys want a QB.
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Ramsey or Tunsil one will be there at 2. Best O player and Best D player. Asking to much moving from 3 to 2 for only a 2nd is a bargain basement deal. Anyway just a general philosophy, I think there will be several teams at the end of that top 10 that will really make a push. Goff may be the key to our future even if he is not a Brown.
I think the Eagles and Cowboys want Wentz and the 49ers and Rams really want Goff. I generally have a pretty good feel for how a draft is gonna go and I think this one is set up for a lot of trades probably be the longest first round ever. A lot of younger GMs are in place now that are more willing to wheel and deal.
Cowboys are the team in my opinion that is most likely to take a jump. Romo cant finish a season he is closer to 40 than 30. I believe they are gonna go get the guy they see as a franchise.
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getting two extra high 2s and still picking in the top 10, landing Treadwell is a too-good-to-be-true scenario for me.
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steve, what are your thoughts on Hogan in the later rounds? I gave my opinion on him in the RGIII thread, but I doubt it gets discussed on that thread.
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You didn't ask me and my evaluations are not well respected (rightfully so) but I think we've already got Davis and Shaw who compare and are maybe a bit better than Hogan. I have seen it said he is average at reading defenses which is a plus.
If we're going to take a QB late I think he really has to have something special about him.
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Starting to look like Treadwell will slide to mid firstmaybe even into 20s atleast thats the skuttle. You and I appear to be the only 2 that really are believers in this kid.
BTW one guy that noon e is talking about and i thought he should be a late first early 2nd talent is the kid from Tulsa Keyarris Garrett. 6-3 220 Still a bit raw but damn this kid just kept getting better and better and was destroying everyone at the end of the year.
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Starting to look like Treadwell will slide to mid firstmaybe even into 20s atleast thats the skuttle. You and I appear to be the only 2 that really are believers in this kid.
BTW one guy that noon e is talking about and i thought he should be a late first early 2nd talent is the kid from Tulsa Keyarris Garrett. 6-3 220 Still a bit raw but damn this kid just kept getting better and better and was destroying everyone at the end of the year. I don't like Garrett's effort. He's a no-go for me.
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steve, what are your thoughts on Hogan in the later rounds? I gave my opinion on him in the RGIII thread, but I doubt it gets discussed on that thread. I haven't watched him in a while... there are other guys I like better (Jones, Doughty, maybe Bercovici and Adams) but I'd have to go back and watch him again.
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Garrett has small hands (9") and a lot of drops, 13 in the past two years. I like my WRs to have 14" hands.
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Here is what I said on the RGIII thread about Hogan. If you get a chance to watch him.......let me know what you think, please? Hogan is an intriguing prospect. I think he has a good arm. He is really tough. Has good size. Throws on the run. Stands in the pocket. Excellent leader.
On the negative side, his mechanics are a mess. Long wind-up/delivery. Funky.......kinda like Phillip Rivers. Terrible footwork. Struggles w/accuracy.
He has a bad junior campaign. If I am not mistaken, his father was ill and ended up passing away. Not totally sure if he died or not, but I heard it really affected Kevin. He played much better as a senior.
I read where he is supposed to be a late-round pick. I think he would be a wise choice if he was still available later in the draft.
They are really going to have to work on his mechanics. They are a mess. But, that's something that is coachable.
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