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It's a great read, indeed, and everyone should take 5-10 minutes to read through it and gain some insight & understanding.

Someone has been posting Chris Brown articles on here for years. . .

Does that make me more enlightened than most?

It is a great read. He does a much better job of explaining things than I did.

You really do find some good information that helps educate the rest of us. But, Goff still sucks.

Agreed, good read.

Interesting. Makes Mike Shannahan seem slimely with a major ego.

I guess that happens in all careers. Just working on tugboats we have guys who are good at their jobs who go from simply being confident to allowing their ego get in their own way all the time.


Same deal with football I guess.



I really do hope that Hue can get the most out of RG3. Coaching IMO is a lot like teaching. I spent a year as a teacher, so I'm not an expert or anything, but I feel confident saying that teaching isn't about how much you know, it really is about how you present stuff so that others understand it. It's a real talent. I was a history wiz, but I wasn't all that great at getting that content across.

Anyway, hopefully Hue can put a system together that focuses on RG3's strengths, while helping him grow as a QB so that he can lead a sustainable career in the NFL.

Yeah, that was an interesting read.

So, using that info, how do you all feel it applies to RG?

I think the author is biased for RG3 and is using rumor about Shanny to shape opinion.

While it fits with the narrative that Shanny broke and ruined RG3, I take the article with a grain of salt (just like I do with the RG3 was an attitude nightmare articles).

I think we have a failure to communicate and posters are mixing up the articles.

Heck, I might be one of them.

Aha, you are correct. There was a Shanny vs RG3 article posted right after the QB'ing article.

I will have to read the latter after work. Thank you for pointing that out. It was easy to lose track of this thread.

You're welcome.

Yeah, read that article that Grimm originally posted about reading defenses. It takes awhile to get through it, but it is really informative.

Thanks for posting that article Grimm

Very informative being a defensive kind of guy. I found a lot this very enlightening .

Thanks sgain

I read them both. I find the Grantland article significantly more interesting. But first an observation about the Shanny article. His recent comments about Griffin dovetail with the narrative of the article posted here. I found it telling that Shanny believes that Griffin should return to the same read-option- spread offense in order to be successful. Doesn't make whats said in that article true but his recent statements suggests no evolution in Shanny's assessments of how to use RG3.

I think that Grantland article gives readers a better idea of the spacial awareness that quarterbacks need in order to be successful at the NFL level. That trait needs to be developed at the same time other intracasies of the position are being developed. Its interesting that the best QBs in the league have been given time to integrate all of this whether they started early (Big Ben, or Luck) or learned behind an established starter (Rogers or Brady).

good article, thanks for sharing!

For those who are interested, the author of that article has written two very informative books on football:

http://www.amazon.com/Essential-Smart-Football-Chris-Brown/dp/1470125595

http://www.amazon.com/The-Smart-Football...X69J2C0WR3KAZ1E

(Both are free with Kindle Unlimited.)

Awesome. Thanks.

Might be of some interest to you Dawgs. Just different sides of the RGIII conversation and perception.

http://subscribers.footballguys.com/podcast/

Matt Waldman talk RGIII and Mike Shanahan, Browns and NFL stuff....

[b]Mar 24 2016
2016 Volume#21a - The Audible LIVE! - NFL News and Notes - 03/24/2016 (#2628)[/b]

Good presser with RG3 today. I liked what I saw and heard.

I liked it as well....then I remembered Johnny said all the right things too.

It all comes down to what happens on the field, obviously.

I missed it. (Hot damn!) All I heard was the RG3 soundbite, "No pressure, no diamonds."

Just heard Hue Jackson say of RG3 "I think he has to play the way the Cleveland Browns want him to play and the way I have a vision for that position playing".

To me that says he's not going to change everything he does to fit RG3. RG3 will have to fit into Hue's vision of a quarterback. As it should be. I really like Coach Jackson. I HOPE he succeeds here. I'll believe it when I see it of course, but I do like the guy. He's open and he's funny. Very personable.

The real question I have is will this FO be able to provide Jackson with the talent he'll need to succeed?

A Spiritbro post of optimism ... it's kind of like Bigfoot in these parts. Makes me wonder if Bigfoot really exists.

Do you have a link? I'd like to hear it.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/arti...a3-d7b7ad9a1d26

Thanks!

If we schemed the offense for RGIII, we'd be pistol almost always. This would mean RGIII likely to get injured and on a more sooner than later bases.

He's going to have to learn how to operate in the pocket. Hue's offense or not.

This will all be a moot point when we draft Peyton Man. . . I mean Jared Goff with the second pick.

It's not optimism. Like I said, I don't expect success I just hope for it. When I was on the Browns board I got a LOT of heat for being too positive about the Holmgren regime. I bought in and got burned. So from now on I hope for a miracle but I damned sure don't expect one. The team is what it is. Either they turn it around or they don't. I just like Coach Jackson as a person. We shall see how well he does as a head coach.

I disagree. Scheming your offense to take advantage of what RG3 does well doesn't mean all pistol. RG3 throws an excellent long ball and is very good on deep crossing routes. So you do more 5 and 7 step drops and attack downfield rather than 3 step timing passes that he struggles with.

I was just giving you a hard time in a fun kind of way. I actually agree with what you said and this is basically where I'm at as well. It is what it is. They'll one day be good or they won't. I don't have the capacity to care as much anymore.

When teams aren't afraid of him running, how do you think they'll play RGIII? Until RGIII the pocket passer can make defense loosen up, RGIII won't have downfield attack and deep crossing routes (which both take time to develop) options.

He's not proven he can fulfill those shoes. He can run the ball. He can get hurt in doing so.

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The press conference of RGIII was definitely good to listen to. Memphis hit it on the head, unfortunately we had a QB that knew all the right words to say in the right tones to say it - yet nothing transpired of it.

Show me on the field!

Just listened to it myself. He's smart and articulate.

Hue is right, he's saying all the right things.

Now, let's see him do his job on the field..

But, so far so good.

you guys just gotta believe.

just let it happen.

Presser was refreshing. You can tell he is being very careful in how he words things. You can also tell he hates how the media latches on to the smallest thing and blows it up.

I think Hue will run a system that RG3 has potential to be successful in. Otherwise, I dont think Hue would have signed him.

Key now is keeping him upright, and adding some talent around him.

Oh no you didn't...........

Just wondering how many of you have taken the time to read the article that Grimm posted and I said was a good read in order to educate yourselves?

It's pretty important, especially when predicting RGIII's success.

I don't know what to think about how Hue will scheme up the offense.

One big question will be the role will the QB play in the run game? Will he play as large a roll through designed QB plays (read-option/zone-read)like Cam, Russell, Tyrod and Alex Smith? Or will he impact the defense through scrambling for chunk yards Rodger, Bortles, Fitzzy and Bridgewater?

Hue loves to run the ball for balance. A QB like Griffin can have a major impact on the run game because of the effect they have on backside contain and IF the QB is a big part of the run game it can force the defense to play true 11 on 11. Which opens them up to all kinds of deep play action, which helps receiver to uncover/separate that might not be able to otherwise on their own.

But to your point if Hue were to build an offense based around Griffin then I don't think it will be Pistol. Even though Pistol was the offense Shanahan ran Griffin's college offense was spread zone read not Nevada style Pistol. In NFL terms it is more Chip Kelly, Seattle, Dolphins then Buffalo/49ers (2 years ago).

Also, Robert ran Mike's Pistol based read-option in 2013 (1 year removed from torn up knee and rehabbed) without injury. 86 times 489 and that's missing 3 games at the end of the season when Mike claims to have benched him "to keep him healthy for the offseason"

I haven't read through all of these pages so, forgive me if this has already been discussed...

Looking past the obvious Wentz/Goff scenario...I keep wondering if we may take Kevin Hogan out of Stanford. Was he not Luck's replacement *and* wasn't he recruited by Pep? If so, I haven't seen much mention of him here as a possible later pick (#65) for us to bring in and develop.

I would like to see us take a flyer on this guy in the mid rounds ( 4 or 5)