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They are still on the honeymoon. Lets see how things are going through camp and preseason. There is always a bunch of fluff with new coaches right after they are hired.

You'll have to forgive me if I really don't listen to all of the talk.

Let's see how he actually performs as a coach before we get all giddy about him.

Without a game haven have been played thus far, I believe it's a little early for accolades.

he has two years (sadly, I'm half serious)

LOL That is a perfect image of practically every coach we have had since 1999, after a year or 2 as coach ...... shot full of holes by all around him, and probably in need of not a drink, but a bottle.

Might be right with Pettine; who knows for sure.

I like what I have heard and seen. After all, we are undefeated at this point. But to be a bit more sobering: Hue is still on his Berea "honeymoon", so to speak. Pulling for him to work some magic for us.

Interview with Hue Jackson at the Cal Pro Day:

https://www.nfl.com/embed/video?videoUrl=http://a.video.nfl.com/films/2016/NFL_NETWORK/show/NFLCOM/OFF/26/160319_NFLN_ptd_hue_jackson_on_goff_444190_700k.mp4

You can't pull a rabbit out of your hat if someone steals your rabbit.

Just watched that clip. I never so wanted to be a file folder in my life. :}

I know Mike Silver was there because he lives in NorCal and is a Cal alum, but EVERYTHING related to Hue Jackson has Silver all over it, including interview presence. It's odd, to say the least.

It's one thing if that's your source and you want the steward the relationship; it's another if you're ready at a moment's notice for the reach-around.

They have both acknowledged that they are very good friends. I don't see a problem with being friends with someone in the media.

Hue Jackson 'proud' of direction Browns are heading in

y Conor Orr Around The NFL Write...6 at 10:21 a.m.

Overreacting is a systematic problem in Cleveland,and when it comes to the perception of the Browns around the NFL.

The team employed a new front office strategy in order to deal with decades of dysfunction; one that is different from just about any other hierarchy in the NFL. As we wrote back in January, it is not Moneyball (please stop calling it Moneyball). As colleague Marc Sessler wrote this week, the organization anticipated massive blowback -- and they have gotten plenty already.

And so here we are, talking to the Browns' new head coach about potentially going winless in his first season. Analysts believe that because the team lost the likes of Alex Mack and Mitchell Schwartz, very good players, and cut a 34-year-old Karlos Dansby that they cannot be competitive in 2016. Maybe they won't.

Jackson is maintaining a positive attitude.

"That's not the case at all," Jackson said on NFL Network Friday during Cal's pro day workouts. "I know there's been a lot of things going on within our organization. I'm very proud of the direction and the things that we're doing. You know, there's a process and a plan to everything you do and sometimes people don't understand, but I'm OK with that because I know exactly where we're headed and what we're trying to do and what we're trying to accomplish."

"I can't wait until everybody jumps on the bandwagon when things are going good. I know some things will take time, but I'm not built that way to where I'm comfortable with ever losing. And I don't think anybody in our organization is."

The Browns chose Jackson not only because he's a good football coach with a sterling reputation for player relations, but because he has a relentlessly sunny disposition. And in this new hierarchy, he's going to need one. This will not be a Houston Texans-like turnaround because the Browns don't have the best defensive player in the NFL. This won't be a Colts-like turnaround because they don't have Andrew Luck.

Sometimes, teams have to let go of expensive veteran talent because they don't feel the club will be Super Bowl competitive during the remainder of that player's prime years. It's a sad fact of life. And the Browns find themselves in that position thanks to years of cringe-worthy drafting and constant scheme changes that wash valuable talent out of the NFL long before it is time.

Perhaps if the Browns stayed in their spot and landed Khalil Mack in 2014 this would be a different conversation. Maybe if they held tight and nabbed Odell Beckham, Aaron Donald, Teddy Bridgewater, Derek Carr, Anthony Barr or C.J. Mosley they would have something stronger to build on.

But this new regime did not inherit those players. They just recently cut a first-round draft pick, Johnny Manziel, two years into his rookie deal. This is going to take some time.

Vambo, your post are often like reading a comic book. Good material in that post.

Yeah yeah every time the Browns hire a new HC the same warm feeling
And the Kool Aid flows around here.
Reminds me of a basketball player who can play lights out
In his driveway but come game time he melts and wilters.
Hue is coming into a total rebuild situation
This isn't like his tenure in Oakland. They were 15 minutes away
From being a playoff team.
Hue is a proven position coach as his body of work in
Cincy proves that. The players respected him 100 percent.
Working with guys like Ocho..Chris Henry... Houshmanzeh...not easy.but they went through a wall for him.
I need to see progress in the form of AFC North wins among other things
Before I'm ready to praise him.
He can work with talent.but can he judge talent come draft time ?
He doesn't have a Duke Tobin in Cleveland.
Yeah he's saying all the right things much like the last 7 coaching failures
In Cleveland

I think you could do it mac. Just go all broken-record on them like you do here, more sooner than later they'll get your point.

I don't know. Do you? I mean for sure? Or is this just some speculation.

Farmer, Pettine and Haslam all said it was a group decision. I've not read one article that proves that Haslam picked manziel. NOT ONE. Just more speculation.

I don't have an opinion because there's been so much conflicting information on it. So I don't care.

But, I just wanted to say, and you know this, we're never going to find out everything from articles, quotes and talking heads. Quotes aren't proof of anything other than somebody said that.

From the time the league year begins until the mini camps it's all the lying season. You can't take to heart anything anyone says about anything. All the information we get only serves to help us develop our own opinions, many of which are derived from false information.

When I look at our draft history being as pathetic as it is I have to shake my head in disbelief. It shouldn't be that hard. Every team misses at one time or another even teams like N.E. but to miss as much as us; ridiculous. I mean even if you don't know what to do and you should because of something called a scouting department, then you can enlist the opinions of a Mel Kiper or a Todd Mcshay. I'm as disgusted as any Browns fan but hoping that it will come to an end this year. We're long overdue.

RB coming off knee surgery, 30 year old spread QB, 200 lb DE, 5-11 spread QB, contact shy zone DB to play bump and run No idea what could possibly go wrong with picking like that. Surprised we didnt draft a kicker with turf toe.

I take it you didn't have much to say?

Well let's face it, it's a no win proposition. Either Haslam had his hand on the pick or put the people in charge who did. Either way, Haslam was the fool.

Do you ever point out how the "excuse makers" keep repeating the same stuff over and over again? Hell, a lot of the stuff they say is fabricated. I guess that is okay, though?

I think a lot of stuff everybody is saying is fabricated. Including some of my own assumptions, including some of yours too. I don't call that lying or purposely making things up to deceive others. To me it's just making assumptions based on too little information, including mine.

I'm not going to get into it with you over what annoys me about some of macs posts.

I didn't know where else to stick this (it's Nate Ulrich's write up about on today's press availability. Bitonio, Barnidge, RGIII, McCown, Demario Davis, and Jackson all spoke):

http://www.ohio.com/sports/browns/browns...reason-1.674406

A couple of things:

--You have to snap the ball when you play center. Erving's issues were due to his weak lower body. I don't see how playing center is going to help w/that weakness. If anything, it should accentuate it.

--The Brown's handling of Whit was low class. They are geeks. Lawyers. Rich folk. They have been accused of not knowing how to deal w/people in a people business several times already. The owner stole money from other businesses. Shameful!

Hue Jackson: Timing of Whitner release 'unfortunate'

"I know it was a hard situation," the coach said. "But I think we all know in the National Football League decisions are made when it's time to make those decisions, and it's unfortunate that it happened when it did. But at the same time, I think you guys know there's never any perfect timing to make those choices except for when you make them.

"I know it's unfortunate it happened that way," Jackson went on. "But I think we all recognize and know that those things do happen. We made the decision when it was time for us to make the decision. Obviously that decision wasn't made before, because if it was, we would have made that decision earlier. So I get it and I know the feeling in that situation. But trust me, we went through this 1,000 times to get to that conclusion, so it wasn't like it was just a knee-jerk reaction."

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...ase-unfortunate

I read that earlier. Not sure what your point is?

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Vers - I have wondered the same thing a couple of times, how moving to C will make a difference with his shortcomings, like strength and technique.

I have been told not to worry, it will. Because Center is his natural position.

See? No worries. All will be fine. Blue skies and puffy clouds.

And CB is Gilber's natural position, so maybe that will work out as well?

Joel Bitonio seems to think that Cam will do okay and is working hard to increase his strength.

Link

OL Joel Bitonio:

On OL Cameron Erving returning following his first NFL offseason:

“He came back in good shape. Me, him and (OL) John (Greco) have been kind of working out together in the weight room and stuff. He seems like he is as strong as ever. I didn’t really work out with him too much last year, but he seems like he is strong. He is running well. We were doing a lot of like-competition running today, and me and him were together on that. I was impressed with him. I felt like we were pushing each other, and he has been doing a really good job in that sense. I think that is one thing is that he is a competitive kid and he wants to come in here and prove that he was a first-round draft pick for a reason. I think he set his mind this offseason to come and make those changes and really try and fight and prove himself this year.”

I don't know if Cam will stud out like people think Mack did, but Joel thinks he is working hard and that they are working to be an above average OL again this year. The section right below this one on Joel's thoughts on Cam, Joel gives his thoughts on the perspective of what fans see when a sack is given up about the OL play, but explains that last year they had a lot of breakdowns in the OL and other positions that accounted for all the sacks. In other words it wasn't all the OLs fault for all the sacks, but some were on them.

That's ironic.