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@swish I guess I am missing your point, but I'll play. I knew at 18 that I wanted to be a computer programmer. But getting from A to B was a mystery to me. I went to community college and got an associates degree. Then I transferred to a University. I wound up dropping out and moving to Atlanta to be with my boyfriend. Got an entry level IT job at Delta Airlines making 6 bucks an hour. Went back to school. Twice. 4 colleges and all I had to show for it was an associates degree. But it didn't matter because I was promoted at my job to a developer position. 15 years later I quit my cushy IT job to run my own business. I would have never guessed that at 18. But I guess you can't see everything coming.

I don't think it's difficult to have an idea of what you want to do at 18. But how it comes together may be different than you expect.

When I was 18 - 19, I didn't have anything figured out. But, I went to college because I was going to be a rich business guy.

I, aside from going to school full time, had a job. And a "wife" and a son. When I didn't have class, I rode my bike to take my son to the sitters house, then rode bike to my job.

In the summer after my freshman year, I worked full time, made enough money to buy a 1985 GMC S-15, 2 w.d., no a/c, 5 speed 4 cylinder with vinyl seats.

I kept my, once school started again, part time job. Still a full time student, AND I got a job delivering pizza.

I still didn't have it figured out, but I certainly didn't expect someone else to figure it out for me.

And today, I'm doing something that, honestly, if you'd have told me 13-14 years ago I'd be doing this? I'd have laughed in your face.

I still don't have life figured out, other than I'll never be able to retire. And you know what? It's not my dream, but I'm okay with it.

the point is that having life mapped out at 18 is a pipe dream.

my goal since i was young was to be some hot shot business guy.

everybody has some sort of idea of what they "hope" they will be when they grow up.

but look at what you posted. if you had it figured out, you would've never dropped out.

i joined the military at 18, but i didn't really want to. i just didn't want my parents having to take care of me. i spent 8 years in the army because i had zero idea of what i wanted in life until that 8 year mark.

it became insanely difficult for me to figure out things, i got married at 20, first kid was born a month after turning 21.

that's only 10 years ago. if i could go back and tell my 18 year old self that i would be a combat vet, that guy would've laughed in my face. he would've gone "why didn't you go to school instead of being a government lab experiment?

my point is that everybody wants to be successful. everybody envisions and HOPES that they will make it big.

but having life completely figured out?

come on. i was still trying to figure out how the hell a credit score worked, nevermind making adult decisions. my first couple years of being an actual adult whooped my ass. i didn't know what direction i was going.

and i'm not saying everybody else had a rough start as an adult. what i'm saying is that people can barely wash their own clothes and feed themselves properly at 18, never mind figuring out with 100% certainty HOW they're lives are gonna end up.

I doubt anyone will disagree with you. But I still don't see how it is relevant to anything. Some people know where they are going, some it takes a while. That's not really debatable.

I do disagree that everyone dreams big though. I know plenty of people who are happy being bartenders and wait staff. They don't have any plans to go to school, or aspire to big things. Maybe manager someday but that is is. Growing up I worked plenty of low level jobs and I met plenty of people who were happy with their low jobs. They had no plans to takeover the world.

Hope schmope! Hope in one hand and crap in the other, tell me which weighs more!

Figure out what you want to do for a career, look it up and make sure the top pay in the field is worth your effort, then attack it with all you got, keeping your eye on the prize, year in and year out. You will get there.

As far as Life was concerned, I never tried to figure it out. I only looked for opportunity as I knew I would like to have a family some day, the rest I dealt with as it came up. Sometimes I chose wisely, sometimes I was stupid. I always learned more from stupid so I wouldn't have to suffer it again.

I never lost site of my financial and career goals though, I stayed on the path until I reached the top and spent many years sucking the fruits of my labors.

It's what I keep telling people. Eventually that generation won't have much control or say. I'll probably have something to bitch about in regards to the generation after me. Then my time will be up.

It's a cycle.

Your generation will have something important that my generation never had, at least $20 Trillion in Debt.

The generation after yours will be complaining about a rock that had no grubs under it for supper.

Dude...c'mon, this perspective comes from a 60 year old who has worked their life, has life experiences to look upon and make decisions/compare/contrast etc.

Swish is talking about being 18. Think back 42 years....when you are 18 you don't have much to base it up on as you are limited in experience and looking at the world in front of you. Hope definitely plays a big part.

I totally get what you are saying, Swish.

42 years ago I was starting my career at $1.85 per hour.

But you go ahead and coddle the Ladd.

I starting to see why conservatives hate trump.

He still has his youthfulness, adapts and uses social media. He appeals to younger conservatives because he's not some angry old bitter guy.

I'm waiting for some poster to start their "I use to walk 15 miles" story.

If Trump were some angry old bitter guy he'd be Pervie Sanders.

Anybody of a certain age can say that. Inflation man. It is what it is, get on with it. The world moves on with or without you. Your choice to go with it or sit back and complain about "progress" and the "younger generation".

By the way, even 42 years ago "lad" was spelled with one "d".

Hahaha, You call Obama's $20 Trillion Debt Progress? You call it Inflation? He doubled the Debt in less than 8 years, now that is some inflation alright!
That's a good one!
Can't wait to hear what you call the weakest and slowest recovery from a Recession in American history.

Wrong again!

ladd
noun A warm-blooded, featherless, balding, bird like vertebrate with an abnormaly large beak. A ladd is also very pale in color almost like an albino toucan. Ladds also love birdseed and grissom.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ladd

We're recovering

Only republicans can somehow complain about the speed of a recovery after they're the reason we have to recover in the first place.

Hey why can't you clean up the milk I spilled faster!!!

Then you are using the term wrong. "Lad" (with one "d") is a British term used for a young man or boy, which is how you were using the term.

Not entirely sure why you would have referred to him as a "warm blooded, featherless, balding bird".

Still, after 7 + years, blaming Bush?

Oh, can't clean up the milk because O is spilling gallons of it for every ounce someone else cleans up.

Being the grammar police is unseemly.

yes, it's his fault the economy was a mess.

And now we are recovering.

If you break a car, and I have to fix the car, it's still your fault the car was broken in the first place.

We forgive you, we just don't forget.

Guess you never saw his Video.

Don't forget what he inherited from Mr. Bush jr.

Debt...It's the American way, remember? I don't see the Baby boomer generation looking for too many answers they want their Social Security that they feel entitled to have because they were "promised".

Don't you get it? That's why so many in here question Sanders' affordable education and health care proposal. Many seem to be happy to blindly go into debt to pay for college and health care rather than look at alternatives that seem to work pretty well in other countries. The same countries, I might add, that continue to maintain a solid middle class even with their affordable health care and education tax plans.

But if I break a car, and take it to you to fix it, and you break it even more............you still want to blame me?

Hey, swish, I need new brakes. Swish say's "okay, but it's not my fault you need brakes." Next week swish calls me and says "hey, we still don't have your brakes fixed, but you also need new tires. When we trying out the brakes we put on, we balded your tires. AND, we found the oil leak."

"Oil leak? It didn't have an oil leak when I brought it in." "Oh, yeah, but after we tried to fix the brakes, we punctured an oil line. Not on your car, on someone elses. But, they can't pay for it, so we're charging you."

Yes, those Countries that we defend because they spent their money on Socialism.

We're recovering.

You know what the definition of recovery is, right?

Obviously not. But that's ok. Continue you're crying while America continues our dominance.

We will get the first woman or Jewish guy in office. Continue to progress, adapt, and evolve.

You can continue holding on to your gun and cry about religious freedom or something. Wave it at some entitled millennials so you can feel proud. Land of the free, after all.

Why are we so afraid of and against education in this country?

I don't want a President who I can "have a beer with" or who "talks like me and I can relate to".

I want a President who is wise, educated and understands things much more than I do. Somebody who can lead and make difficult decisions, somebody who knows and respects how the world and its many geographical regions and differing cultures think and work.

I don't see the latter in Trump or Cruz.

What does what you want in a president have to do with bad forum manners?

Obviously I didn't lay down and die, but I did lose A LOT and am nowhere near to having it back... and my customers lost even more than I did. There was no bailout for us, and I will never forget this, EVER.

When you lose almost everything through no fault, no mistake, no action or inaction of your own, you do not forget. When you struggle to recoup what you've lost, while the fat cats that caused the problem keep getting multi million dollar bonuses, you do not forget.

Am I mad at rich people? Not all rich people, just the ones that twist the system to screw the little guy while they steal all they want legally. So most rich people, lol.

And you can play the pick yourself up and dust yourself off card all you want, but I see hard working middle class americans STILL losing despite all of that. All while the same super rich get even richer.

It's time to change that, once and for all.

You are a genius! You thought of that all by yourself? It would take a room full of imbeciles at least 2 seconds to come up with that smear. So go ahead genius, pat yourself on the back for adding NOTHING to the conversation because you deserve it! Well done!

I am apparently more of a business genius than you. You lost everything when the economy crashed. And bitterly complained about it.

Meanwhile I launched my business during the recession and it was wildly successful.

I have nothing to complain about. Other than filthy liberals who want to steal from others out of greed. I will always complain against the greedy liberals, who want to take what does not belong to them.

Yes you are a genius! I already said that! GENIUS!

My customers depend on being able to finance products for middle class consumers, that dried up. So yep I'm stupid when it comes to business.

YOU STILL BRING NOTHING TO THE CONVERSATION.

So you consider factual articles about Bernie's tax plan as gutter talk? That's interesting to know, that you would like to sweep it under a rug. As it's gutter talk to you.

I know how important the last word is to a genius like you so you can have it. You are entitled to your opinions.

Y'all were slow 18 years old Hell at 16 years old I had not only life, but the entire universe figured out. I knew everything about everything, and all the old people didn't know chit. I now have to admit I know 6 to the tenth power more than I did when I was 16, and I admit I don't know chit.

This.....SS is NOT a hand out or entitlement. It is money that you pay in and you most certainly are entitled to it. I don't know why some people think that SS is a goverment program for the poor, it is a program that takes your money and puts it in an account for you so when you retire you have some money coming back to you. If we could just keep Washington out of it, we would all be better off.

so we should keep the government out of a government started program?

k.

Not certain, but my take on his "keep gov't. out of it" comment was the fed. gov't. shouldn't be using s.s. income for anything other than s.s. spending.

That is correct Arch. The Gov. should have never been allowed to borrow from it. It was set up for the People, to try and prevent another great depression.

I agree. But the government should expand it to include health care for all and higher incomes for the elderly based on need. Nobody that worked their whole life should have to choose between medicine and eating, not in the wealthiest country in the world.

Doesn't medicare handle healthcare for the elderly?

Only partially, many elderly still have unaffordable copays and meds.