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Remember how I tried to warn everyone about the coming Zika virus and many scoffed?


The Zika virus is "scarier" than first thought and its impact on the US could be greater than predicted, public health officials have admitted.

A wider range of birth defects has been linked to the virus, said Dr Anne Schuchat of the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).
And the mosquitoes that carry the virus could travel to more US states than previously thought, she said.

The current Zika outbreak began almost a year ago in Brazil.
It has been linked to thousands of birth defects there and has spread widely through the Americas.

"Most of what we've learned is not reassuring," said Dr Schuchat at a White House briefing on Monday.
"Everything we know about this virus seems to be scarier than we initially thought."

There have been 346 confirmed cases of Zika in the continental United States, according to the CDC, all associated with travel.

Dr Fauci said initial trials of a Zika vaccine would likely start in September this year. Depending on the results, larger trials could begin at the start of 2017.
"The very, very best scenario" would be a vaccine ready for the general public by the beginning of 2018, he told the BBC World Service.

He said there had been recent discoveries about how destructive Zika appeared to be to fetal brains.

The rapid spread of the Zika virus has spurred travel warnings across the globe.

There were also reports of rare neurologic problems in adults, he said.

The CDC announced that Puerto Rico is to receive $3.9m in emergency Zika funding as the number of cases there doubles every week.

In February, the first US case of locally transmitted Zika was reported in Dallas, Texas - spread through sexual contact, not a mosquito bite.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36020165

I remember a lot of scoffing in my direction too. Uncontrolled immigration brings unintended consequences. The big one is disease. As I have said many times, there is a reason we had Ellis Island. Quarantine was one of those reasons.

So how do the wise enlighten the scoffing class?

Until a vaccine is developed how does a society deal with a widespread threat to Pregnant women or those who plan on having children?

Are we looking at a multi year period where pregnancy can not be risked?

So.... Preggo still the biggest risk? Everybody knew that already.
And PR is a us territory. Dunno how you stop immigration of us citizens but ok. If the fear helps you sleep at night.

Since the virus is spread by mosquitoes I would be more inclined to believe that their entry into our country came from importing fruits and vegetables than by immigrants. I actually have no idea how they entered the U.S. but it would seem much more likely that larva in fruit would be the culprit.

Pit:

According to this:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/...65ce_story.html

The CDC said most cases of zika came from people who LEFT the US and brought it back.

Edit: my bad, in EACH case. silly me.

Oh yea, those crazy illegal US citizens. Wait, isn't that an oxymoron?

Xenophobia getting justified through a new deadly disease.

Never change, Dawgtalkers.

So, if a few tourist can bring it back, how much risk is there in a few million illegals? Should we stop them when it's an airborne disease? Pneumonic plague killed half of Europe in the middle ages, and that was brought in by trade as bubonic plague then mutated to the airborne variety.

The Zika virus would have come here anyway, but we can also control how quickly. As for Pit's presumption that it came in through imported foods, most mosquitos lay their eggs in water not fruits and veggies. This is where irradiation could help sanitize produce.

I was thinking how can you stop people from vacation in the Caribbean? How many cruises go to these countries on a daily basis and dropping them back to the US?

Actually, we still know very little about Zika. Will it only affect a pregnant woman's current in utero child, or can it affect a later pregnancy? We don't know. We've already found out it's sexually transmitted. Can a child carry it if they don't get the disease in utero? Another unknown. Crime, drugs, human trafficking, and disease are all part of a lack of border controls.

When there are known risks of going, most people will find somewhere else to vacation. A country could be the greatest place in the world to vacation, but no one is going to go there if there is a chance their children will be born with 30% of their brain.

well, seeing as it's a disease from mosquitos and sexually transmitted, good luck with the whole air born thing. that's the least of our problems.

for your theory to concern me, illegal immigration would have to be in the millions per YEAR.

last i check:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/...b2a4_story.html

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/19/5-facts-about-illegal-immigration-in-the-u-s/

not only has illegal entry been slowing down, but the number of illegals has also dropped since obama took office.

so for your statements to work Erik, you need to be advocating that we stop US citizens from partying and vacationing in Latin America.

seeing as thats how the virus got here in the first place.

i don't see you doing that though, so i apologize(not really) if i find your statements to be nothing more than another reason to cry about illegal immigration through fear tactics.

I find yours to be nothing more than willful ignorance or liberal talking points.

I would suggest you read up on Spanish influenza. That was brought into this country by soldiers returning from WWI and killed more than the war. Controlled immigration allows us to vaccinate people or quarantine them at the very least.

Willful ignorance?

I'm bringing straight facts and you're trying to scare people.

Look at what you literally just posted.

Soldiers, returning HOME, as in they belonged here, and go it from going abroad.

That has NOTHING to do with illegal immigration.

So once again, unless you're advocating for US citizens to not go abroad, then your point is lost on me.

Give it up dude.

The best example I can think of is how Europeans killed off Native Americans due to their illegal immigration to the United States. Such diseases as bubonic plague, chicken pox, pneumonic plague, cholera, diphtheria, influenza, measles, scarlet fever, smallpox, typhus, tuberculosis, and whooping cough.

So there certainly is an example of it.

Actually, that is a fact. The Spanish Flu was brought here accidentally, as we didn't know it existed at the time, or how virulent it was. The consequence was 1/4 of the population of the US was infected, and 675,000 killed. World wide, it killed an estimated 20-50 million. That was mostly due to ignorance. In response, we now inoculate all military against many diseases. Didn't you ever wonder what all the shots were for?

Illegal immigration moves a lot of people from one area to another, without any precautions. If you only want to see this in terms of liberal talking points, that is willful ignorance. You must have forgotten my wife is a biologist/virologist. I am mostly repeating what she says about diseases.

Sure there's an example. I brought up that point before.

The problem is that Erik is citing examples that has zero to do with his immigration point.

Also, it's 2016, not the 1300's or whenever the hell they came over here.

With the exception that the Indians had no border controls, so it couldn't have been illegal. We are supposed to have those controls so we don't get wiped out like they did. The introduction of those diseases was accidental and happened through ignorance. People still thought diseases were due to 'bad air', god's wrath, or demonic influence.

Oh I keep forgetting how what we've done to Native Americans throughout or history should not be considered illegal.

it kind of does. Any time you go somewhere else, travel abroad, you run the risk of being exposed to something your body and immune system isn't prepared for or you have not been vaccinated against. Travelling to these regions needs to be considered, immigration from these regions needs to be considered, importing produce from these regions needs to be considered...

Were there laws against it?

What you're either ignoring or completely missing the point is HOW it came over.

It being accidentally carried over from US citizens has nothing to do with Immigration.

You would have a point if the soldiers that brought it over were illegals. Than I'd have nothing to say.

But that's not what you're saying.

So for the third time, if you were advocating for STOPPING US citizens from going abroad, the. Maybe you'll have a point.

But you're not. You're wife is a boss on viruses.

But that's not what we're discussing. You're trying to make a correlation between the zika virus and illegal immigration, as well as trying to hide behind your wife's profession to make a scare tactic.

The zika virus was brought over by US citizens. Not by immigration.

So either advocate for not allowing us citizens to travel, or give up your pointless rhetoric.

Well murder was against the law. Unless of course you considered any race or races less than human. Then it seemed to be accepted pretty well.

Now we call it genocide.

You're missing the point.

Erik is trying to claim that illegals or poor people in Latin America are Bringing it over.

As I already proven, it came from people going over to Latin America and bringing it back.

The CDC said so.

The fact and what he is claiming ain't adding up. Period.

You have definitive proof of that? I sure don't. I couldn't tell you if it was brought back by tourists, illegal, or legal immigrants. I do know there are far more illegals coming to this country from nations that are infected than tourists or legal immigrants. At least we can inoculate the tourists and legals.

I'm going off what the CDC said in the link I posted.


As far as tourist, i would agree with you that maybe they need a day of screening and some shots prior to leaving the airport, or maybe have it be mandatory to have shots prior to traveling overseas, and being required to carry those documents.

But say that first. Don't start with the "zomg illegals!!!" Crap.

Why not? Out of the people traveling to this country, those are the ones we know about. There are citizens, legal immigrants, and illegals. Other than that, there are shipping crews, but they tend not to leave their boats. The ones we don't have any controls on are the illegals. I thought it would be common sense, but I guess there is none in a liberal viewpoint.

It'd be nice if we could eliminate all mosquitoes. Although I can't even begin to imagine the effects it would have on the environment.

Something kind of scary is that a LOT of bats in America are being killed by funguses. They keep mosquitoe populations in check.

So it's a liberal viewpoint to make correct correlations in cases like this?

Then I'm glad to be liberal. I guess the conservative viewpoint is to scare people into believing someone's agenda.

Guys guys guys!!! We are at huge risk of the Zika virus!!

-oh? Man that sucks. How do we contain it?

Well, even though Americans brought I over from traveling abroad, the REAL problem is those filthy illegals!!

They're taking all our jobs!!!!

I've seen them take a LOT of people's jobs and cause wages to be lower in many fields. Those are facts. But that's for an entirely different thread.

It's why I discouraged my grandson from going into the building trades.

So is that a reason to associate them with Zika?

No, that's why I said it was for a different thread. I actually thought you were the one who brought it up.

I am. But you and like 2 others are the only ones who pay any remote attention to what I post.

"the person was believed to.. " isn't proof, it's speculation. It may be highly probable speculation, but it isn't proof.


The actual CDC language just says all of the cases we know about, the person was out of the country when infected... as in, they weren't here. It doesn't say they were Americans travelling. Though it's possible that's what they meant.

It also doesn't address the possibility of it being spread by immigrants or any other way.

If you wanna play that card. Go right ahead.

I'll go ahead and not buy into the fear mongering.

Let me clear to the board I take the Zika virus serious.

But when y'all wanna try and spin this into a illegal immigration problem, that's where we're gonna end up not agreeing.

These political slants to every issue is getting old. Real quick.

So what are they supposed to do with all the USA Olympians returning from Rio? Quaranteen them? That doesn't seem practical. Can they test for this virus? Test them?
Or just say who cares?

Test them I guess.

At least they have a way to do it. Or identity symptoms.

Leaving for Thailand Friday so I could use a few days quarantine when I get back . I like it !

The CDC says they are learning of new threats from Zika every day. They now know it is Sexually Transmitted. Have sex with an infected person, you got Zika.

Many Olmypians are now talking about not going. Sponsors are talking about not sending them.