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If there is not a QB available that the team wants, my preference is always to trade down.

Agreed.

I continue to hear the Titans have made it known they wont talk trade unless the starting point is 3 first rounders. The Browns are the team thats willing to deal and getting serious offers from no less than 7 teams. 4 teams that are making the most noise are Cowboys, Eagles, Rams and surprisingly the Dolphins.

It is very unlikely we will be picking at #2 and even less likely we would trade up from 32. gonna be a very interesting draft.

It would be a dumb move to trade the #2 pick. Just get the best talent you can. Trading down we'll get lessor talent like we always do. Just ask Mangini, Holmgren, & Farmer, they know.

Trading up also gets you Manziel, Richardson, Gilbert, and Hardesty..

Staying put however will get you Mingo and Erving..

If you pick terribly, it doesn't matter where you pick, or how you got there..

Trade down, take more pics... we need a lot of holes filled with young talent.

Trading down has been an unmitigated disaster. I just want a high end player. As an organizational philosophy I agree with it, but I don't trust these guys to not mess it up. I would stay and take who we want.

IMHO this is a good draft to trade down. I am not wowed by any of these top prospects to the point where I want to spend a #2 on them. I think Treadwell is the best player in this draft but I dont want him at #2.

We have Bosa a DE with very little pass rushing skills. Ramsey who rarely impacted games even when targeted. Jack linebacker coming off ACL. D3 QB, undersized weak armed QB as our choices. Even Treadwell is a 4.6 guy.

I think this draft is 45 deep in Tier 2 talent but there just really isnt a tier one other than maybe Tunsil and I know a lot of folks that like Stanley better.

Hell i like Zek but they are talking RB at #4 for a reason and it isnt just talent, its as much of a lack of talent at all these positions. If teams want to bid, let them bid.

Good process, bad results.

2011

2 - Von Miller
4 - AJ Green
6 - Julio Jones
11 - JJ Watt
14 - Robert Quinn
30 - Muhammed Wilkerson

We passed up on a lit of talent to trade back, that's not the problem, it's the selections afterwards that have been.. We could of stayed put instead of trading back up and taken Wilkerson..

There is talent everywhere. While being near the top of the draft improves the prospects, so does increasing the amount of chances to get prospects..

Not to mention the Gilbert disaster.

I know, that's what I said.

Stay at #2, we have no luck trading down in the first.

#32 is were it makes sense, depending how low they go, the Browns could possibly trade down twice in the second & at the very least pick up two more #3's.

A solid #1, #15-#20 at #2, 3 x #3...nice way to start a rebuild.

"These guys" are not the ones who screwed it up in the past (unless Sashi Brown had a heavier hand in past organizational decisions than we have been led to believe).

Increasing the number of picks increases the percentage chance you hit on a pick.

Our bad "luck" in the past has nothing to do with this decision. Letting past results determine what we should be doing going forward is the last thing we should want.



This is a good point. The market for pick #32 should be robust. There will be guys leftover that teams like and there will be a whole day for them to attempt to trade for the player.

If there is not a QB available that they like, then I would trade down from both spots.

I've reach the point that I'm tired of thinking about it and I just want the draft to be over so I know what happened..

It happens to everyone every year. My guess is the people in front offices feel similarly.

+5

I would be OK with trading down. I would be very happy with getting any of these with our first round pick.

Bosa
Buckner
Ramsey
Treadwell
Jack
Tunsil
Elliott

So I would be OK with trading down as low as number 7, but probably not beyond that.

I kind of want the season to be over so I can know what happened.

I keep hearing more and more about the Eagles wanting to trade up for Wentz.

What if we traded down to #8 and got a guy like Treadwell. What would everyone think about that?

Two picks that are still here. Both still have a chance to prove themselves in the right situations.

Trading down from a top five pick usually gets lessor talent with the loss of talent to other teams, possibly in our division. It's notoriously a bad choice especially when you don't have a clear cut starting QB.

The Eagles not having a 2nd rounder complicates things for me. I'm not sure they'd give up future firsts.

I think they want the Cowboys to take Wentz so they can grab Zeke.

As Grimm pointed out, they don't have a second round pick. We would have to get a future first (and more).

I don't know who I would pick there, although I will say that I am not a huge Treadwell fan.

stand pat and take either Ramsey or Jack...I prefer Ramsey at this point

Maybe there is a developmental prospect they like?

my thought on it is this. Maybe they are looking for a developmental guy or they are looking to 2017 for their guy and will fill holes this year and let RGIII or Mckown run the team until then? or if RGIII rips off an awesome run this year?

Jacoby Brissett just screams to me a late round guy that Hue would love.

He and Sudfeld are so Jeckell and Hyde. Actually prett similar players if you ask me. Just don't ask cfrs.

I agree. With the provision that if an RG3 type trade is available we jump at it. If the Eagles for example want Wentz and want to move up then we take their pick at 8, next years #1 and the following years #1. THAT I take. Otherwise take a left tackle or a pass rusher and go from there....

Seattle seems to be doing fine with it..

j/c

The problem I see, is those who are against taking a QB at #2 can't seem to identify another sure thing at #2. There are question almost everywhere with the exception of Tunsil at LT.

Is Ramsey a true NFL CB, or is he a S? Can Bosa produce in the 3-4? When looking at Jack's sack count in the NCAA, how can anyone say he'll be a great pass rusher in the NFL?

I see just as many question marks surrounding other mentioned picks at #2 as I do with Wentz or even Goff for that matter. Now I know every player has their pimps and what I stated above is questionable with a number of posters, but there's really not a consensus.

If this FO and coaching staff doesn't have a specific QB targeted at #2, I don't believe trading back anywhere in the top 10 really hurts us. I'm certainly one who believes we lack major playmakers at almost all positions. I want an impact player in this draft. But I don't believe any one of the top 10 players projected in this draft signify an impact player any more than many others rated below them for at least the first ten.

I'm not saying just give the pick away. And from where I sit, I would draft Wentz. But if this coaching staff and FO sees it differently, I don't see anyone else we could draft at #2, other than Tunsil if available, to be head and shoulders above the rest.

You think that was their PLAN? They just traded for a QB. Wilson was as much a surprise to them as to everyone.

But lets go with that. The rule is the Browns aren't alowed to draft a QB above the third round. EVER. Happy? We will just flounder around forever, using scrubs and hasbeens at the most important position. It's worked GREAT for the last 15 years. Lets do it again for the next 15.

I think what he is failing to take into account is the very few number of times that has worked and what the numbers say about the success rate of traveling that path. I mean analytics are a big part of our strategy now, right?

For the last while there has been a (general) consensus of Tunsil at #1 and Wentz at #2, but that seems to be weakening now. Therefore I believe your statement to be correct. I also am in agreement with rest of your post...

It was their plan to sign a vet QB, and draft Wilson in the 3rd round, yes.

Wow. Who can argue w/that?

Good post.

wasn't Manziel a 1st round pick at 22? yup that worked wonders

As was Weeden. And, if I'm not mistaken, Quinn. All first round picks. (and I THINK all at the #22 spot)