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lol I know the exact same feeling believe me.

Yo Vambo.............still searching for even just one post to back up your claim that I said the Browns did not try and keep any of our free agents?

You know what........I kinda doubt that mac made that claim, either.

You gonna admit you made that up, Vambo? Heck, I would even accept a concession of how you were mistaken and perhaps misread a post or two.

I'll be forgiving, Vambo.............but there ain't no way I am allowing you to spread MORE lies about me. I've had enough! I guess it was the mentally ill comment that you made about me the other night that put me over the edge. You know us "crazy" people, we can obsess on things once you get us going. LOL

lol you guys used to go rounds like this? funny

Shoot man................this is timid compared to back in the old days. We used to rip each other. We weren't "politically correct." LOl

Diam and I used to kill each other. DnD and I traded all kinds of insults. It was the norm.

The difference was that it was for fun. You would rip someone, but you still liked them. Man, guys like Diam would tear me a new butt on the board, but then we would PM, and it was cool. We fought hard, but we were friends. We respected and liked one another.

Freaking Pit and I fought like cats and dogs. LOL....but, we remained friends.

What's crazy is that I went and visited Diam. He invited me into his house. We broke down game tapes, drank [mostly me], ate, argued [I was gonna kick his ass], but it was all good. He's a friend.

I met Pit when I had to return to Nashville Clinic after I had my tumor removed. We used to fight all the time, but it was good natured. He is a great guy. Very down to earth.

I just don't get that same feeling w/some of our newer posters. For example, Vambo's story about me saying that I said the Browns did not try and keep any of our free agents. Well, that is just a lie.

Disagree. Argue. Debate. But man...............don't lie.

lol well the great thing about this planet we call Earth is that it's chalk full of different people and different points of view...how boring this world would be if we thought the same way.
Plus not a bad way to blow through a couple hours of my night. I do think that we as in Browns fans are sick of losing...I know how the Lions fans must feel they had it bad for a long time too. and it's ok to have differing opinions I expect it. shoot man that's how i find out how to look at it in another point of view whether I agree or not

Man, I thought we buried the hatchet over the douchebag comment... apparently not. If it makes you feel better, if there are any Refs reading this, please suspend me for that violation.

Make you feel better?

Also, you just called me a turd a couple weeks ago and didn't get suspended for it. So I'd think at this point we could call it even.

I don't want you to be suspended and I never did. I even said that on the board. Did you forget that?

My point is that Vambo is full of crap about me being suspended for name calling.

And you know what Devil.............I have supported you as a police officer. I have stood up for you. Yet, you constantly point out my posts to ridicule. On the now locked thread, you chastised me for saying "positive posters." OMG.......the horror. I got guys calling me an ass and you never say boo peep. Guys saying I am a coward and you are nowhere to be found. Guys saying I am a liar and no comment from you.

So, excuse me if I don't exactly think you are legit in your criticisms of board etiquette.

Vambo can certainly speak for himself, but I think the issue is when you and others have repeatedly stated that the FO "let them walk". Saying someone "let them walk" implies that little or no meaningful effort was made in order to get them to stay. This is true whether you are talking about FA's, employees, significant others, etc. It implies there was not a good faith effort on their part to get a deal done.

There's a distinct difference in saying the FO let them walk vs. the FO was unable to negotiate a successful deal.

This is what Vambo said:



I NEVER said any such thing.

You siding w/Vambo on this reveals a lot. Perhaps some of the guys on the race threads are right. You are very biased.

Damn, you certainly do make it difficult sometimes lol

I recall you said you didn't want me suspended over it, but at this point I'd accept a suspension just to get my name removed form the recurring posts about the hypocrisy in how the Board is moderated.

And taking you task for your usage of "positive posters" was centered around how you use that description to discredit others who don't see things the way you do.

And when you get in to pissing matches with other posters, you're right, I don't get in the middle because to be bluntly honest, you're just as guilty as they are with name calling. Why should I get in the middle of it?

As for board etiquette, I've never claimed to be the Martha Stewart of DawgTalkers so...

So now I'm a racist... classy Good night and good riddance... never thought I'd have to use the ignore function on here... here's to learning something new

I don't want you to be suspended. My point was that I didn't deserve those suspensions.

Calling someone "positive posters" pales in comparison to calling people "whiners," "hater," "not a good person," "Negative Nancys," "biggest agenda poster on the board," "liar," "an ass," etc. You have never once addressed those comments, so excuse me if I doubt your reasonableness.

I really would like for you to point out all the times I have resorted to similar name calling.

Btw..........the "positive posters" thing resulted AFTER I requested a few posters to please stop saying that. I asked for them to stop labeling people. I said that some of us tried to look at things realistically and that did not automatically make us negative. I was either ignored, rebuked, or made fun of for those comments.

The crazy thing is that in real life..........I am known as an extremely positive person. No kidding. I actually give motivational speeches. I taught and coached and being motivational is a known strength. It becomes annoying when people keep calling you a whiner. Again, I think that is name calling.

Oh...........and about the racist thing. How does it feel to be falsely accused?

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What the hell happened to this thread?

I agree. Lock it down.

yall are crazy.

anyway, so with the recent news that they are CONSIDERING** trading down the pick, it probably means they aren't that likely to grab a QB, at least not with the first pick.

with the way our team is set up now, would Hue prefer an offensive weapon or defensive weapon first?

also, our scheme. i know he said we are gonna be flexible and all that, but with the recent losses to our O Line, wouldn't that hinder the possibility of RG3 potentially doing more traditional drop back?

i guess my thing is that RG3's O line was horrible. Even with our recent losses, i still believe our O line is at least better than the Skins.

so would running the read option be more beneficial?

In the article, he's not quoted as saying he wanted out of cleveland. He is quoted however, as saying he wanted to start winning as the reason to leave the Browns.

Take it any way you want, but to me that reads, he wanted to leave to find a winning team to join.

I suspect that had we been winning, he'd have wanted to stay. I'd say the same for Mack. But that's just an opinion.

That's another one that doesn't sound like the Browns could have stopped him unless we unloaded the brinks truck at his doorstep. Had we done that, instead of saying that the Browns FO screwed up by not retaining "OUR OWN" guys, you'd be telling everyone how stupid they are for spending all that dough on players.

So who is this Hue Jackson that this thread is about?

I think Vers must have been visualizing himself as Hue Jackson.

I think Vers visualizes himself as we all visualize ourselves... as frustrated, fed up fans, that are tired of the constant change, perpetual losing and the general lack of direction by this and previous owners, coaches and front offices.

I have said it for the last four manifestations.... I don't care what the plan is... get a plan, install it and have the balls to see it through.

We all hope this is the time that is done and all of us are on a spectrum where some have no faith in that happening , some have ultimate faith and most are somewhere in the middle with varying degrees of belief.

JMHO... I have no link

Hue had to been aware of the direction that was taken prior to accepting the position. If Sashi and company kept him in the dark about not resigning the free agents, analytical approach and etc etc etc, then wow. I'd feel real sorry for Hue, but it's almost impossible to think he wasn't aware. He signed up for this. He easily could've went elsewhere if he wasn't game. I'd not feel sorry for him.

I am not ready for either leap of faith or disdain.

I will have to see what the coaches do on the field and what the FO does as well before making such proclamations.

IIRC Hue was on board from day one with analytics. I have not seen nor read anything that changes my thinking on that.

But you aren't the one grading this front office, remember?

i think he did that. jmo ofcourse....

If both you guys are correct, then I most definitely feel bad for Hue. He clearly was the best HC candidate imo...

That's a big dick move if so. I know they couldn't have laid it all out during the interview, but they best have eluded heavily to their intentions. None of us will know though for sure, it's speculation and nothing more.

Combine press conference

Mac this is a really good presser from Hue at the combines and I think it says a lot about where things stand. It is very informative and this was the first time i got to listen to it in its entirity.

Anybody seen Huey lately. Thought it was his thread . . . .

Wait, you say Hue is Qualified, Hue has the right amount and kind of football experience to be a HC.

Now, think about it for a second. If he is all you say he is (and I agree by the way) Does he sound like a guy DUMB ENOUGH to take this job if it was indeed a Hair Brained IDEA that the owner came up with?

Think about it. If indeed it's a hair brained Idea, then that makes Hue an idiot for taking the job.

Listen, He knew exactly what he was getting into. He's not a Dummy.

I'm like a lot of folks on here, I'm skeptical as to if this new plan will work. I honestly don't have any idea mostly because I can't tell how it will be applied.

You don't either, you are doing what we all are doing. Guessing!

Don't feel sorry for Hue. He's a big boy and he can make his own choices.

how dare you call me a name.....

I'm not gonna lie... Hue accepting the position goes counter to a lot of the "Cleveland is a wasteland and nobody good would choose to come here" narratives that are out there. Like him or not, Hue was one of, if not the hottest coaching candidates available and he was in the middle of the hiring frenzy. He had ample opportunity to go elsewhere, and he chose here.

That still has me wondering about our ability to attract talent.

I hear ya and I agree..

Haslam has proven how great he is at marketing.

I assume you are saying that Haslam sold Hue on the job right?

If that's what your saying, then of course that's what he did. When you want to hire someone, you SELL them on the job and it's benefits and your future and your opportunity. LOL

there is an old saying among us old time recruiters.. If you are offering a company car, it's worth 10,000 a year. If you are taking one away, it's only worth about 4000 a year so you offer up a $333.00 monthly car allowance. LOL

i think we have to keep it mind though that it's gonna be a bit different for coaches than it is for players.

all the coaches think they can turn it around. and i believe most of our coaches have still gone on and gotten other gigs.

don't ask me how O'neil or daboll got a job after cleveland, but they did.

for talented players though, it's different. we have to throw serious cash at these guys. most players want to go to a place that NOT only gives them a pay day, but an actual chance to compete in the playoffs.

we've had players come here and...well we never heard of them after they left most of the time.

we still hear about our previous coaching staffs though.

Everybody knows who DePodesta is. Everybody knows the Browns hired him. Everybody knows all the stuff written about that hire and what it could mean to the Browns organization even before Hue was hired.

Hue knows all that as well. DePodesta was not some secret that was sprung on him after he agreed to the job. DePodesta was hired before Hue, so Hue knew what he may be getting into even if nobody mentioned it to him.

There's no way I can imagine the team hiring Hue without covering the whole process in the interview. I can't imagine Hue not asking, "Hey, what about this DePodesta guy you hired? He's the moneyball guy right? How does he and his ways fit into what the Browns are doing?"

The very idea of Hue taking the job knowing nothing about all of this is inconceivable.

My point is that I'm one of the posters who do not trust Haslam. I don't trust his ability to hire the right people and I don't trust his honesty.

Hue was hired a week after DePodesta and the organizational hierarchy was not announced until after Hue was hired.

Does that mean that Hue wasn't completely aware of what the pecking order was in Berea? I'm not sure, but that possibility certainly exists.

Hue was hired a week after DePodesta and the organizational hierarchy was not announced [to us] until after Hue was hired.