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Ability to start immediately ‘ideal’ for Browns’ 1st-round pick, but not mandatory

Sashi Brown details philosophy on Sirius XM interview

As he talked about the Browns as a whole Wednesday, executive vice president of football operations Sashi Brown stressed the need for patience and continuity with the plan in place, something Cleveland’s three AFC North rivals have executed at a high level.

The same philosophy carried over when the conversation shifted to the team’s first of 10 picks in the 2016 NFL Draft. At No. 2 overall, immediate expectations will be understandably high but the Browns won’t be caught up in the short-term, Brown said.

“I think ideally you have the best player in the long run that can play the soonest,” Brown said Wednesday in an interview on SiriusXM’s The Opening Drive. “That rarely is the case. We are going to take a long-term view.”

Brown laughed off any prodding about the Browns’ specific plans at No. 2. It’s a spot in the draft that has produced a number of Pro Bowl and even Hall of Fame players, many of whom found immediate success as rookies. One of them, quarterback Robert Griffin III (2012), is one of the newest editions to the Browns’ roster.

Still, even the best players to come off the board at No. 2 have taken time to develop into their full potential. Recently retired wide receiver Calvin Johnson compiled just 756 yards as a rookie, one of two seasons in which he finished with fewer than 1,000 yards. Six-time Pro Bowl quarterback and No. 2 pick in the 1999 NFL Draft Donovan McNabb started just six games as a rookie.

Griffin’s arrival, and the depth at other positions on the roster, provides some assurance the Browns will have some options if the No. 2 pick isn’t quite ready to perform by the season opener.

“We're going to make the decision to select the player to give us the best chance to win over the long-term,” Brown said. “That is the goal here to have that sustained success. We will be patient in developing our players here. Ideally, you'd have a guy that when we line up in September Week 1 is out there playing for us. We will be patient and make that determination depending on who we select.”

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/article-5/Ability-to-start-immediately-%E2%80%98ideal%E2%80%99-for-Browns%E2%80%99-1st-round-pick-but-not-mandatory/bc0c82d6-07f5-4dd6-a66f-67c7ef45c01a

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His comments could all be a smokescreen, but even still, these comments scream quarterback to me.

mac, you have to read more carefully. Depo doesn't "clearly state" anything in that article. The statements are those of the article writer who is giving his opinion of what Depo wants based on his past knowledge of him. Since Depo has never done any of this in football, the author is taking large liberties in stating what Depo wants and what he will do. He is basing his statements on Depo's past and that was in baseball.

Read it again. I know you strive to be accurate in your comments. Read it again, more carefully. Pay attention to who is doing the talking. It is not Depo. Depo is not quoted for those statements. Depo doesn't clearly state anything in that article.

Here's my link that says Sashi has control of the 53 man roster. Please post your link that says Depo has it.



Here's my link where Hue Jackson calls analytics "The beautiful part of the Cleveland Browns structure"

http://www.scout.com/nfl/browns/story/1632234-hue-on-analytics-the-beautiful-part

Please post your link showing that he is not on board.



My link:
http://www.ohio.com/blogs/cleveland-brow...market-1.670630

"We obviously can’t put ourselves in position where we’ve got four starters going in free agency," Brown said. " ... Once you get into in March in free agency, you’re effectively in free agency with your own guys.

"Ideally, we would have gotten these guys signed earlier. We just didn’t. As we look forward to the system we’ll build, where we’ll invest, how we’ll invest, I think all that will unfold moving forward."

Again, sounds like Sashi (not Depo) is in charge and he found it a problem that Farmer let them get to free agency in the first place. That would be the football guy, not analytics, Depo or anything else you feel like making up.

Please post your link showing Depo used analytics to make those decisions.


Again link for wanting total control
Link for not wanting to compromise.

You are just making stuff up and repeating it enough times in hopes that people will start taking it as fact.

I know you're going to struggle finding a link that remotely agrees with what you posted above so I'll help you out with one last link.

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/54076588.jpg

There's only David Fleming's opinion on what Depo is thinking with those 70/30 numbers.

There are no quotes from Depo in that whole story.

A story about Depo.

Think about that.

mac, you really need to read it again. Depo is not quoted anywhere in that article, yet, you say, "DEPO CLEARLY STATES..."

All you have to see is that it is the writer of the article making those statements, NOT DEPO. He never heard Depo say those things or he would have quoted him.

You're reading a story somebody wrote about Depo and you bought it hook-line-and-sinker that it is Depo doing the talking. It's not. It's somebody talking about him.

Hope that helps you out.

https://twitter.com/alexmarvez/status/720404041423912961

Can you send that to eotab and ddub? They both insist that Hue has control. What was the wording? Hue is the admiral and the rest are his soldiers..........something like that.

j/c

Debated making its own thread, but I'll put this here.

Philosophy and Tools of a Successful NFL GM

Interesting read. Has me conflicted about how to approach the draft.

Helluva read, good story man.

Thank you. Very good article.

I think this part is pretty important:



Analytics are cool. They are a tool. But, you don't have to go to school to know that treating people fairly is the best rule.

Interview with Parcells about DePodesta:

https://twitter.com/SiriusXMNFL/status/720425800705544192

Thanks for the link. The '5 tool baseball player' reference sheds a little more light on how they are developing their analytical approach.

DePodesta is not a person who is only interested in his way. He went from being the "computer guy" to being a scout that was out watching high school players in person. This is a different type of dude.

A driven individual. Might even revolutionize the healthcare industry as well.

Of the three top guys..........Jimmy, Sashi, and DePo...........the latter is the one guy who gives me a ray of hope.

I like that he talked to a guy like Parcells. That's smart. I think he was trying to equate baseball's 5-tool players w/a similar rating system for football players. Parcells would be a good guy to ask.

I think Hue is okay. He's bright. It's his mouth and emotions that concern me a bit. But, I think he was a good hire. I just worry he will take the fall for the poor performance of the team.

It's the other two guys who worry me. Jimmy and Sashi. Last year's moves smell like moves Sashi would make. Skrine and Sheard. Not respecting Gipson. Marketing over player evaluation. And then we have Haslam. A known cheat. A guy who puts more emphasis on marketing/making money than on winning. Always w/a new plan and asking for patience. LOL..........what a joke.

I was thinking it would be grand if he went to jail. Perhaps DePo could right the ship while Jimmy was incarcerated???????????

I agree with most of your post besides one little detail. I don't know why Sashi Brown would be interested in marketing. That reeks of Alex Scheiner (who is no longer with the team).

Scheiner for sure. He really helped improve the value of the team.

I could be wrong about the Sashi/marketing thing. I said it mainly because Scheiner is gone, the Columbus move that would rip off tax payers, the failure to negotiate new contracts w/our free agents, him being a lawyer rather than a football guy, and some of his comments thus far.

But, my conclusions are just opinions. Not factual.

There's an interesting article on what Mark Shapiro is doing with the Blue Jays that correlates to what the Browns are attempting to mimic with their new strength and conditioning program.

Seems to fit along the analytics approach of what DePodesta is implementing. I'm not sure if many are aware, buy apparently, Haslam offered Mark Shapiro the position last year to run the Browns.

I'll post in that thread for those interested.

It is interesting that the Columbus stuff died around the same time Scheiner got bounced.

Post it. More information is good.

Not trying to argue w/you, because you have been cool, but I think it died because of the public and media backlash.

Baseball and basketball teams are on the cutting edge of technology when it comes to keeping their players healthy (here is a great article on the Pirates, http://grantland.com/the-triangle/pittsburgh-pirates-healthy-season-playoff-chances-future-impact/).

I don't see as many people praising football teams for the same thing.

It's a threat to the good old boys club that runs rampant in the NFL.

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Posted in 'strength and conditioning' thread. Again, it related to Mark Shapiro's approach with the the Blue Jays, but can't help believe this is the approach the Browns are taking with all the changes made in this area.

Enjoy the read.

Thanks.

What?

What?

I am not saying this in a confrontational manner, but man..........that makes no sense to me. I think the old boys want to win. They will explore every opportunity to win. It's not about a club. This isn't Augusta, Jack.

I decided I didn't want to get into it.

It was a joke.

Basically saying no one does anything in Columbus w/o Urban Meyer's approval, and he only associates with winners.

Oh............I was wondering why my comments on DePo, Sashi, and Haslam pissed you off.

It was the comment about Hue, right?

Sorry bro..........you guys have ZERO proof that Hue is in charge. I provided quotes from Sashi himself that said it was his call. Of course, tab called me a coward for posting an article. There, you are NOW "into it."

Oh.............I'm a little slow tonight.

"Tonight."

Thanks cfrs. It's always uplifting to know I have so many friends on here.

Jokes are okay too.

You forgot the comma after jokes.