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What a novel idea!

That's so crazy that it just might work!

Requires having talent. That's the first thing we need to figure out.

The Browns are like going going to college. 4 years then you graduate.

I am confused neither of these guys project as quality Olb's in the 3-4. And Bosa doesn't project as a 43 Olb. Why would you want either of them to play badly out of position in a 34? Jack earned one sack in 3 years in college. Let them play the positions they are good at.

Jack could play OLB in a 43, but he would need to learn several pash rush moves, which if you ask Wimbley, Mingo if that's easy, it's not. He isn't a Von Miller type. Miller came into the league as a natural pass rusher. Jack isn't a natural pass rusher.

Bosa is a very good end, but even he doesn't project as a top OLB. I think you guys would hate watching a guy with tops 4.7 speed trying to cover Te's and Rb's.

If we take Bosa, it won't be to cover TE's or RB's. As was said before, we can line him up all over the place. 3-4 or 4-3, you use your best pass rusher in the roles they were drafted for.

Yeah he could do zone drops, but if they put him out there to cover man like they did Mingo, it will be another busted pick. I still have hope for Mingo, I've never seen a guy so poorly used in comparison to their skill set as he was the past two seasons.

Yeah, I'm not sure what type of D they were trying to play.

Jalen Ramsey please, please, please

JMO. If we took anyone other than a QB I would like it to be Myles Jack. He sounds like another Ray Lewis only faster. That's what started Baltimore on the right track in 1996 maybe we can do it here. Of course it was Lewis as well as other good picks that did it but we can hope can't we?

if we take a QB we need to trade back because not one has a #2 overall value...imo I am all for BPA...let's try it one time...I hate reaching and missing...Myles Jack? I would be ok with that

Why would you play Bosa at linebacker? Play him at end which is his position. I'm not terribly familiar with Jack but I see him as more of an inside LB. However, like I say I don't know him all that well. It's entirely possible he could be stellar at OLB. He's not my favorite pick but if they trade down a bit and take him I wouldn't scream about it.

Bosa would be my pick if we don't take a QB. I WANT Wentz. I think in a few years he could be very good. But Hue has to work with the guy and if he's not sure then passing on QB and taking Bosa or Tunsil is fine....

So you care more about value than you do getting a franchise QB? If Coach Jackson thinks Wentz can be our franchise QB of the future I don't care if we have to trade up to one to get him, you DO it. "Value" be damned. Trade back and watch the guy you want get snatched up right before you pick..... Ooops Oh well. No QB for the Browns. So sorry. You could have had your guy but you cared more about value. Have fun for the next ten years with scrubs and has beens at the most important position on the field.

If our staff thinks Wentz or Goff is the QB they want for the future then they HAVE to take him. If not then they shouldn't take him no matter where.... and they better PRAY they are right. You pass on a QB and he turns out to be a real player? That is a career ender.

So if you think [INSERT NAME HERE] is your guy, and Tennesee calls and says someone is offering 2 future 1sts, Match it and he's yours.. You do it? Because value doesn't matter?

I might have to start watching Watson film. I'm starting to think he might be the target at QB (in next year's draft). That would help explain the RGIII signing and vet jettisoning. Let us get a system in place with RGIII, then hand it off to Watson as his 2 year deal expires.

If we end up trading down, I think that being in the back of their minds could be why. Then if RGIII pans out, we can draft Garrett instead with the draft capital from trade downs.

I like Billings or Robinson if we trade down to the middle of the first. Treadwell also in the discussion.

Stay put, I'd probably take Ramsey. If Ramsey's gone, Jack.

I'd still be okay with Wentz, but I'm seeing a lot of other needs.

You're right. We have needs damned near everywhere! lol

But let's face it, no matter how many needs we have, you can only fill so many voids with one draft.

Just for giggles, let's say you fill four.

No matter which four you fill, you have the same amount of holes going into the season. The question becomes, when will you be in the position to draft a better QB again in the draft?

What they see in Wentz and Goff will be what they feel is the answer to that question.

and if they don't see them as a franchise QB? then what? just pick one for the sake of picking one? career ender is keep keep QB's that fail...reaching for a QB has not worked out so well for us I would say.

IF they think one is the QB of the future?? that is one mighty big "if".

If no QB at #2, then Tunsil or Ramsey in that order. Jack I don't believe presents appropriate value at #2. No trade down please as the potentially "elite" are precious few this year...

I agree with you, but maybe they don't see anyone in this class as Franchise guys. Maybe they think RGIII is the franchise guy. It's hard to see through the smoke right now.

Watson is Clemson's QB. He has a similar skill set to RGIII (broad strokes anyways).

I don't predict worse case scenarios as a general rule, but I could see fewer than 5 wins. More, too, but I'm not gonna bet on it. I think losing Benjamin could hurt our offense more than expected. He opened space for people, Barnidge in particular.

Trade down or Jalen Ramsey

Why doesn't it look that way? Do you have inside knowledge? If so, will you please share?

That's exactly the kind of response I got from another poster when he had no response to back himself up to my comment. I think you even remarked that his post to me was like a 5 year old.

Would you rather I replied w/similar insults to the ones he is dishing out? Would that be better?

Look, tab said that La Canafora was a bozo when the latter was talking about the dysfunction w/the Browns. I'm not going to apologize for that.

I am also not going to get into a war w/him and start trading insults.

Sorry if that upsets you. Well, not really.

No, I'd rather you stop with the insults. Be the better man. Post football, that's what you're best at.

Well, what happens when I do? For example......in the Hue thread, tab asked me for a link when I made a comment about Erving's strength/technique. I provided a photo, a video, and several articles. He dismisses the video and then tells Pit that he doesn't read my posts anymore. I call him on that and he proceeds to tell me that I am not a good person. That I have issues. Blah, blah, blah.

He called me a coward and a liar when I posted a quote directly from Sashi.

He went into a rage when I posted ARTICLES that supported my opinions on Myles Jack.

You never seem to question his posts, but you keep calling me out.

I don't feel the objectivity, ddub.

I question your posts because of the insults you throw around and also for the fights you try to start and personal attacks you get into.

You accuse many of lying or having "unrealistic" opinions, but with tab, it seems like you are on a personal vendetta to bring him down. I don't get it.

As I've seen it, this whole thing between you and tab began when you accused him of "trying to deceive" people. Not once but several times. If that's not calling someone a "liar" I don't know what is. You pushed him until steam came out of his ears, he's responded with insults but he's not very good at it and got carried away. Now it's that which you point to in order to justify yourself.

I've stayed away for years from questioning either of you guys when you get into disagreements. But I think you've taken it way over the line recently. All the while being a proponent of the proper way to post and relate to others.

Just calling it like I see it.

We see it differently.

I'll leave it at that, but will anxiously awaiting your next objective take on things.

By "anxiously awaiting" do you mean "lying in wait"?

By the way you've been acting lately it sounds like that to me.

Actually, it means that I think your take on the situation is absurd.

I thought you were talking about the future. You used the word "next".

Re-reading your statement I can see now how you meant it that way. My bad.