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lol oh ok...he seems like he could come in an help...could fill a hole so we draft for a different position?

We are actually pretty good at guard. We have four guys for two spots (Greco, Bitonio, Pasztor, and Erving. Either Greco or Erving will end up at center).

Also, as YTown pointed out, Evans is 32 years old. There is not much chance we actually sign him.

ah well ya know...can't help but to look around...it is the offseason lol plus I'm bored at the moment

That was from a Google search

They were both on our roster, but apparently both have been released after checking further.

Isn't that the guy who had all those Staph infections in his knee?

Exactly the type of players we want. People who have no knees.

I'm beginning to see the formulas behind Moneyball lol.

By Katherine Terrell, NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune
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on October 05, 2015 at 1:14 PM, updated October 05, 2015 at 1:24 PM
Saturday

New Orleans Saints guard Jahri Evans had his knee scoped about a week and a half ago, according to Saints coach Sean Payton.


yea I see nothing about any staph infection or having no knees...so umm...worse things can happen then having a six time pro-bowler on our team

Sorry I am thinking of the guy who went to Tampa from NO and had all kinds of issues and never played for them.

I thought you were thinking LeCharles Bentley who went from NO to us.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Nicks_(American_football)#Tampa_Bay_Buccaneers

Carl Nicks.

I hear ya...didn't the Browns have that problem a few years back?

Yeah it was Carl Nicks, he was a big time free agent grab for them. Career essentially ruined by MRSA

Those numbers are PFF grades/rating for that player from that year.



I agree that if Haden is 100% healthy then he plays much better then last year. Arguably Haden is could be one of the better players on the defense if healthy....but what if he doesn't comeback 100%? That makes CB a question and position worth addressing. A top CB makes any defense better.

Yup, there could be 2nd season uptick/growth.

Agreed. I think there's a reasonable expectation that Erving might become a passable to good Center.

Good question. Having the #2 pick could give the ammo to have even more picks in the top 100.

Great to hear from you Diam. I'm a little more optimistic on analytics than you are, but that's probably due to my nerdy tendencies...lol. What concerns me with how they relate to football is the number of games. Statistical analytics are based on having a large enough sample set to gain quality analysis. In MLB you get 162 games....NBA you get 82......NFL 16. I just don't know if you can make a decision on a guy based on 16 game seasons. I agree with you that it is most worrisome as it relates to NFL FAs because of the number of games.

The draft is worrisome as well, but I do believe you can look at past indicators as it relates to success and see if a guy meets that criteria (as I believe Vers has mentioned they are already doing that in the NFL anyway).

Where I do think it can be most beneficial is game day decision making.......such as down/distance, team tendencies, etc. I also think it can be helpful in determining specific positions that most equate to winning. This is what analytics did best in the MLB imo.

If done correctly, I think it can work. Analytics is about taking information and improving the way your organization goes about doing things (the cool word DePo likes to use is "processes"..lol). So in that regard I think analytics works in any industry or any situation. I am skeptical about making decisions on NFL FAs based on stats though, because of the small sample set leading to bad data.

This team would have trouble competing in the CFL or even beating
The Barcelona Dragons.
The roster is that bad due to the inept Ness of Farmer
And Heckert.
There is no difference makers or impact players going
Back to 5 to 7 Drafts
It's the same tired story at QB. Browns go into a season
Hoping to catch lightning in a bottle from another teams failure
It's not good team even though the coach staff has
Good resumes but very little talent to work with
Anyone predicting playoffs for this team in 2016
Or even 6 wins is a Homer

And why I would trade Joe. His career will be wasted in 2-3 years once we make the turn. If we don't make the turn, it is wasted none the less.

I say do Joe a nice deed and trade him to a contender in need, and gain picks which we might be able to make us a contender.

Joe is the best LT in football. One of the best EVER...but we have won what? Maybe 30 games in his time here?

A great LT doesn't win you games if you have little else. I'd rather have a average LT and a lot of other very good stuff.

Developing a QB is easier with Joe Thomas on the roster.

You ask if his post should be in purple and then you post your expectations?

Oh, the irony..........

Joe Thomas has been elite for many years.
But you don't need a elite LT in order for a QB to be a
Great to elite QB.
NO GIVE ME A GM AND COACH THAT KNOWS WHAT THE HECK
THEY ARE DOING AND ARE ON THE SAME PAGE 24\7 !!!

Can anyone tell me who the Denver Broncos LT's were in 2015?
Some posters act like Joe Thomas is untouchable
And is so imperative to the success of this franchise
Going foward.
Hey newsflash.the Browns have won 10 games once since
Hes been a Brown.
He's one of the few assets the Browns have.
Why hold on to him when you can get potential
Cornerstones in the draft for him?

I think the max you'd ens up getting for Joe is two 1sts that would end up being in the mid to late 20s..

Sure analytics may say he's old and has value, but I assume they also say if ou can't get back at least equal value for him, then just keep him and allow him to continue to be great on your team..

Does it suck he's stuck on a perennial loser? Yeah, he's not te first great player to have that distinction. He's also a millionaire who gets to retire whenever he wants and go fishing on a really big boat for the rest of his life.. So no, I don't really feel that sorry for him..

The Offense.

Pass/Run ratio (w/o QBs + miscl runs) 66% pass to 34% run
Pass/Run ratio (w/ QB+miscl runs) 62% pass to 38% run

Football Outsiders rates the Offense:
24th Overall
27th Pass
20th Run


My junior GM hat on:

WR: Brian Hartline, Taylor Gabriel and Andrew Hawkins make for a less then stellar bunch. They are basically a collection of #2-#3 WRs that can be pressed into starting duty like in 2014.

This unit needs an influx of talent

OL: Decent right now with a true blue chipper at LT. Then solid players OGs. 2 main areas of weakness are C and RT.
Reasonable chance that Erving improves enough to be at least a passable/starting caliber Center.

RT-counting on Bailey/Pazstor seems like risky propositions

Adding a blue chipper would go along way to making this a good OL. Winning at the point of attack is imho the easiest way to create a solid offense. A better OL is gonna help the running game (which was decent last year). Being able to run the ball should help keep the defense off the field and fresh. Last year's pass ratio didn't do the defenses any favors/ and I'm sure the defenses inability to stop offenses forced the offense to be in position to pass more. It a dirty circle.

RBs-I like both Crow and Duke very complementary running styles. Duke provides checkdown option out of the backfield. Adding Griffin should open up the run game even more. Used on bootlegs or any type of backside contain action he cuts the pursuit of the backside DE/OLB down a lot. Plus Griffin will pick up some yards himself.

TE-Gary Barnidge. Best returning receiver on roster.


I think 2 addtions could vault this offense up from 27th overall very quickly. I trust Hue/Pep/Saunders ability to craft an offense predicated on running.

If the FO stands pat at #2 Tunsil would be my pick.
If he is the player he is projected to be he makes the OL and offense better instantly.

At pick #32, depending on how the 1st round plays out, the Browns could still have a chance to pick from the top 5 WRs in this draft class. Treadwell, Coleman, Doctsun, Fuller, Mike Thomas/Sterling Shephard.

I don't agree w/all you have to say, but damn man, you are a welcome addition to the board. I really like how much thought and effort you put into your posts.

Do you have a link for that and did they go into the defense yet?

That's Sashi Brown, remember? You welcomed him to the board just the other day.

Yeah, I remember.........

I said something. He said it wasn't true. I took exception to that and went after him.

We have PMed and exchanged ideas. Unlike you, I am willing to allow grievances go. The guy is a good poster in my mind. And I really don't care if me being open-minded doesn't please you.

You are what you are.

Btw Memphis..........can you do us all one favor? Will you please find one or two posts that you addressed to me that were not critical in nature? Just one or two? Can you find even one that is complimentary? Like, "I agree Vers." Or, "thanks for the explanation, Vers."

Again, just one or two?

Oh............you can't. And I think that puts a period on how freaking valid your points are.

Complimentary? HAHA! That's a good one!

There aren't any. All my posts directed to you are critical in nature and they will remain that way. The time is long gone where I attempt to have football dialogue with you. All that came from that (which still remains for other people who try to have dialogue w/ you) was insults, labeling, hypocritical posting and derogatory comments...which usually led to your suspension.

Why do you think you deserve "thanks for the explanation, vers"? Why do think you deserve anything complimentary? Do you actually read how you treat posters on here? You are owed nothing.

As I said, I will continue to point out all your hypocrisies until you actually change the way you treat people on here, which everyone knows won't happen.

If posters don't like that...too bad. If you don't like that....good.

Brownie, is this you?

No, it's not. But is this you when you post after 10pm?

Nah, that's me right now. LOL

well, that's definitely me.

Those images are from PFF, the breakdown is just me wearing my junior GM hat.

Will post defense later today.

Again don't want to enter into the skirmish you got goings on there; but me and Versdawg are copacetc now.

I was thinking we had two or three players with staph issues, clinic or Berea? Isn't this part of the Jurevicius retirement? Thought we went on a rampage in Berea facilities to test for and clean up the staph. Tough issue.

Thanks man, I likewise appreciate hearing your detailed views. If everyone agreed about football (especially in an internet message board/forum) it would be boring.

But, enough of the glad handing; I'm still waiting for your aknockdown dragout thoughts/input on QB evaluation project. Started with Cook vs Oregon (per Grimms suggestion). Also curious about your thoughts on the roster. I know, the FNG asks a lot right?


-Cheers

Thanks ed....

I'll take a stab at the roster later on. Not sure about the qb thing. It will take quite a bit of time and about 3 people will read it. I might take a stab at it if you do one on Lynch. Only because he interests me as a prospect.

Okay ed.............about the roster:



Pathetic bunch. Hartline is okay in the red zone and on third down. The other two are shell shocked from being hit too much and I think their careers are in jeopardy. The rest suck.





Agreed. No debate here. I will be pissed if we draft one w/in the first 5 rounds or so.



Agreed. Need to add a blocker.

You didn't mention qb, but I will:

QB: RGIII is worth a shot. McCown is way better than I thought. I was wrong about him. However, I doubt he can stay healthy. I would like to see us draft trade down and draft Lynch and then groom him as our future guy.

Did you do a defensive breakdown yet..........sorry......I'm still upset about the censorship thing.